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Old 01-24-2012, 06:13 PM   #6501
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true that - wayyyy too inflated
inflated? you're crazy, aapl's valuation is solid! i'd ride it all teh way to $500 minimum - just look at the cash on hand, market share, growth - they have a solid valuation

next someone here will tell me vancouver real estate is 'well valued' and that 'they're not building land anymore' and that 'the chinese will buy, buy, buy'
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inflated? you're crazy, aapl's valuation is solid! i'd ride it all teh way to $500 minimum - just look at the cash on hand, market share, growth - they have a solid valuation

next someone here will tell me vancouver real estate is 'well valued' and that 'they're not building land anymore' and that 'the chinese will buy, buy, buy'
wasnt trying to say that aapl is bad - just that the nasdaq is pretty darn high - what goes up must come down eventually - i may be completely wrong though haha

edit: tomorrow will definitely be a good day though =D =D
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:32 PM   #6503
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wasnt trying to say that aapl is bad - just that the nasdaq is pretty darn high - what goes up must come down eventually - i may be completely wrong though haha

edit: tomorrow will definitely be a good day though =D =D
aapl is not the nasdaq, this is why i don't condone investing in index ETF's, you get the good with the bad - aapl is genious right now, and if world economy shit hits the fan, aapl is seen as a safe haven, unlike most fly by the night tech stocks
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lol still cant believe dow is ripping this high its like last year didn't exist... apple should start paying dividend.
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If the apple drops because the world economy drops again like 2008/2009, I would buy more apple. They have almost 100 billion in the bank. They can own a damn country and produce their own imacs/ipads..
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F...I wish I had bought more Apple shares when it dipped to $370 a few months ago. My best performing stock last year was APPL (bought at $327)
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Hard to get a read on the market right now. Down.. and then surges. Greece/Europe is still a major risk imo. Wish I held my SU longer because oil prices are still holding up.

Took profits on BIP and bought DG (Dollar General which is a US based chain of dollar stores).
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Wish I held my SU longer because oil prices are still holding up.
Speaking of SU,

Suncor to release financials on the 31st after close, followed by a conference call on the 1st of Feb.

Corporate friends at Suncor have been telling me for months that they are on track for a record year... And I would imagine the price of NG being so low and the price of Bitumen creeping us has likely done wonders for the balance sheet compared to anything post-2008...

From the horses mouth:

"During the third quarter, the company completed construction and initiated commissioning of the hydrogen plant portion of the Millennium Naphtha Unit (MNU). The naphtha hydrotreater portion of the MNU project is scheduled to be completed before the end of the year.

"The completion of the new MNU hydrogen plant and naphtha hydrotreater and the successful restart of one of our hydrogen plants will go a long way in providing flexibility to boost our sweet production," said George. "Going forward, this will help us maximize our profit margin on upgraded oil sands barrels."

I can't say I truly understand the significance of the Naphtha Hydrotreater, but supposedly it's a big deal...? I was told it prevents them from having to source something externally which is costing them a lot of money.
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AAPL is a rare beast. I was in China last month and you should see the demand for Apple products. They love it over there. I would buy AAPL which would be similar to buying LVMH. The chinese love it and go out of their way to procure their products.

They buy macbook pros to load windows on it. They do not buy LVMH products outside the ADs and even then it must be outside BJ so they would rather pay a premium in HK and Macau.
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Old 01-25-2012, 02:08 PM   #6510
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FML with apple.. bought a few grand worth when it was 120$ (already down from ~200 back in 07-08'), sold half at $90... then sold the rest at 355 a few months ago... if only i kept it
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FML with apple.. bought a few grand worth when it was 120$ (already down from ~200 back in 07-08'), sold half at $90... then sold the rest at 355 a few months ago... if only i kept it
granted, not quite sure what would make you sell apple like that, but profit is still profit, better than a loss, for sure!
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^was a real newbie at the time, emotions totally caught me off guard, seeing my investments plummet like that was no fun
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^ IMHO, it's not too late to get back on Apple. Their balance sheet and earnings are pretty solid, and at least $500-550 one year target price.
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What are your thoughts about Facebook's IPO? -heard on the news that the IPO will be in the first half of this year:

Facebook's IPO breadcrumbs - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blog Term Sheet
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Any thoughts on CLL or CZN? They havent seemed to move? Good time to buy while its in a lull?
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With the price of natural gas where it is, companies like Talisman TLM, Encana ECA, and Bonavista BNP* are undervalued, if you're willing to sit on any of these (Bonavista 6.3% dividend yield btw) and the price of NG turns around you could see a very good return... certainly a long position on these plays but with the dividend you could see very satisfying returns IMO.

Why would the price of NG increase you ask? One can only speculate that the high price of oil and increasing pressure to stray from high pollutin' coal burning steam turbine power generation (See the entire East Coast of North America lol) will lead to an eventual increase in the demand for NG.

There are far more risky plays in the NG industry, but how long some of these companies will last selling gas for 3$ is a mystery to me.... the players mentioned above have been around for long time and even with NG at firesale prices have little concern in the near/mid term.

Gas hasn't been this cheap since 2002... how much longer can it stay this low?

GLTA!

* BNP is not overvalued based on NAV, but has always traded much higher than industry peers due to the high dividend.

CLL: It's hard sitting and watching it slowly bleed over the last week lol... still sticking to my guns that a 2-3$ buyout is the most realistic scenario... 50$/BOE Netbacks are industry leading for in-situ oilsands producers... other than the horrible debt load they have a lot going for them.
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Looking for some opinions:

So i've been doing some option plays for the past year-year and a half now simply because I didn't have enough capital to make a portfolio that would give me decent returns. So far option play has been a hit or miss sorta thing (Win some lose some and overall its around the break even mark). Been mainly following stuff like trends (e.g the gold boom in the summer, earning calls, overall economic situation, etc)

The market this year seems to have stabilized so far (not seeing those 100~400 point fluctuations each day) But I'm probably gonna wait for another couple months to see if this is only a temporary thing. I've finally got some money saved up (Full time school + part time job can only save so much lol) and I'm starting to look at holding some stocks for less riskier returns. Not really big on stuff like mutual funds and whatnot.

What i'm looking to do is starting a portfolio in the coming months with about 10~12k.
Looking at spreading 8~10k or so among 3~5 different stocks (in different sectors) and leaving around 2k for option play. I am not interested at all in penny stocks at all and don't have the experience to invest in them. I know theres a couple people here big on stocks like CLL, CUU etc but its not really my thing.

Would 10k be a feasible amount to start a small portfolio? Or should I hold out a bit longer and try to bring it up some more?

Maybe some of you (i know there are a couple of other students who post on this thread regularly as well) with around the same amount of capital could talk about their experiences?
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3-5 stocks in various sectors will not provide the diversity you seem to desire.

Consider some sector ETFS!
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Well I know 3 is definitely not enough. But i've been eyeing 5~10 different stocks. I just need to work out which ones I want, their pricing and how much I should allocate to each
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def. 5-10 is best for diversification.

have some growth, some blue chips, and dividend plays. I'd say 1 speculative play is always good, just for fun

you have $10K, you can do a bunch at $1500 - what you start with is irrelevant, its how much you put in month on month that matters to grow your portfolio
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3-5 stocks means that you'll be paying $90-150 in commissions just to buy them..
a round trip would be $180-$300...imo that's not worth it.

why don't you wait until you have capital, then decide on the stock based on fundamentals and entry point (TA)
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Looking for some opinions:

So i've been doing some option plays for the past year-year and a half now simply because I didn't have enough capital to make a portfolio that would give me decent returns. So far option play has been a hit or miss sorta thing (Win some lose some and overall its around the break even mark). Been mainly following stuff like trends (e.g the gold boom in the summer, earning calls, overall economic situation, etc)

The market this year seems to have stabilized so far (not seeing those 100~400 point fluctuations each day) But I'm probably gonna wait for another couple months to see if this is only a temporary thing. I've finally got some money saved up (Full time school + part time job can only save so much lol) and I'm starting to look at holding some stocks for less riskier returns. Not really big on stuff like mutual funds and whatnot.

What i'm looking to do is starting a portfolio in the coming months with about 10~12k.
Looking at spreading 8~10k or so among 3~5 different stocks (in different sectors) and leaving around 2k for option play. I am not interested at all in penny stocks at all and don't have the experience to invest in them. I know theres a couple people here big on stocks like CLL, CUU etc but its not really my thing.

Would 10k be a feasible amount to start a small portfolio? Or should I hold out a bit longer and try to bring it up some more?

Maybe some of you (i know there are a couple of other students who post on this thread regularly as well) with around the same amount of capital could talk about their experiences?
5-10 stocks?

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Hope your right jason! Just put 1000 into CLL.
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fyi to those holding on POT, i think if you want to break even, today might be a good day to sell... I think I'm going to be greedy and hold on for a little bit longer
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