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Razor Ramon HG 03-13-2020 05:54 PM

I honestly don't get the hype behind people buying Zoom.

Any decent sized company should already have an established VPN infrastructure and video conferencing platform.

Microsoft Teams comes with most O365 licenses and that would probably work for smaller companies that didn't want to spend the money for Zoom or GoToMeeting.

PeanutButter 03-13-2020 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vansterdam (Post 8977696)
pretty much lost all the gains $ I made from my tfsa mutual funds since putting it in there.

debating if I should pull it all out or sit and wait since I put most of my savings into this shit

If you do this, you should plan out when your entry point will be.

The problem with cashing out is not knowing when to go back in. It's impossible to time the bottom, so what tends to happen with novice investors that go into cash is not knowing when to get back in. What will happen is the market will rebound and then you'll never get back in because you don't want to buy high, and you'll wait for the next dip, which won't come and it'll pass you by.

So, if you're going to go cash, that's fine, just have a strategy on when to get back in, otherwise the market will rebound and you'll be holding your cash hating yourself.

Razor Ramon HG 03-14-2020 01:43 AM

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/...d-19-response/

Apple shutting down all stores worldwide (except China) for two weeks.

Hehe 03-14-2020 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 8977803)
so who picked up some value players at non-fundamental prices?

the tech remote work play like Zoom has the fear factor already priced in. no value to be found.

If you are into Zoom... I'd suggest taking a good look at MSFT. They are taking some good chunk off the market share from Webex (CISCO) and zoom with their solutions.

chinook79 03-14-2020 12:02 PM

So many people trying to catch falling dagger here..
GDP forecast of pretty much every country in the world is expected to be cut drastically..
North America is just beginning to see corona virus outbreak.. If you follow what's happening in Europe, you can assume that things will soon be a lot.. a LOT worse than now..
Many industries will soon or have already cut number of jobs. Unemployment rate hike is unavoidable.
The only two countries that are recovering from Corona outbreak now is China and South Korea. China have absolute control over people which is not possible for western countries. South Korea's approach to this virus was nothing shy of stunning: complete transparency even if it means short term loss of millions of dollars daily for businesses. Canada? do we even know anything about whereabouts infected has been to? not even where they live in fear of people panicking..
Worst is far.. far from over.. it's just beginning..
Sure the stock is much better bargain now than it was a month ago and it will likely be higher 2 years from now.
However, I think the dagger is still falling. I wouldn't jump into the market right now though for the FOMO.

Hehe 03-14-2020 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chinook79 (Post 8977884)
So many people trying to catch falling dagger here..
GDP forecast of pretty much every country in the world is expected to be cut drastically..
North America is just beginning to see corona virus outbreak.. If you follow what's happening in Europe, you can assume that things will soon be a lot.. a LOT worse than now..
Many industries will soon or have already cut number of jobs. Unemployment rate hike is unavoidable.
The only two countries that are recovering from Corona outbreak now is China and South Korea. China have absolute control over people which is not possible for western countries. South Korea's approach to this virus was nothing shy of stunning: complete transparency even if it means short term loss of millions of dollars daily for businesses. Canada? do we even know anything about whereabouts infected has been to? not even where they live in fear of people panicking..
Worst is far.. far from over.. it's just beginning..
Sure the stock is much better bargain now than it was a month ago and it will likely be higher 2 years from now.
However, I think the dagger is still falling. I wouldn't jump into the market right now though for the FOMO.

Many truth in your post, but there's something I want to add and some I beg to differ.

It's super hard to buy the bottom. Retail investors always try, but I've rarely heard many success other than some pure luck. And big investors like Berkshire or Blacksone... etc, they rarely EVER try to do it. Because it's not about picking the lowest point, but rather a LOW point.

Take a look at an example I discussed with my friend the other day. The shares of BRK.A went from the top of 130k in Sep/08 to the low of 75k or so in Mar/09. In between, they've had a few points of 80-90ks that went up and downnn until 75k. But if you invested in it for the long term and only cashed out at the relative recent highs before the crash, a share was 300k+.

So, if you looked at that example, for people who bought at 80k or 90k, did they make the bad decision to buy in? If you look at it at the low of 75k... yeah... but if you look at it from just a month ago... they did GREAT! So, it's not about picking the lowest point, but rather a relative cheap point where the shares have a lot of potentials.

So, while it's true you don't try to buy a falling share, you should always try to find a REASONABLE VALUE of a stock. And if you bought it at a good value... you'd always be rewarded in the long term assuming it was a good company.

lowside67 03-14-2020 05:23 PM

I agree with a lot of your post about not trying to catch a falling knife. But with that said, with how hard it is to buy the bottom, being patient and maybe missing a bit of the up is a lot less painful than perhaps buying too early and having to watch the down before the up.

Just food for thought.

-Mark

chinook79 03-14-2020 09:27 PM

Agree with both and 100% in the long run, as long as company fundamental is sound, you are going to do well in the long run.
It's just that with so much uncertainty and seeing things happening around Asia and Europe and knowing that it's just beginning for us, I personally think that it's better to lose out on some of the opportunity now than jumping into the market knowing that storm is coming..

Razor Ramon HG 03-15-2020 07:26 PM

Pretty good chance of hitting two circuit breakers tomorrow.

Futures already did.

xxxrsxxx 03-15-2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by nabs (Post 8976567)
Keep an eye on any VIX sort of stocks when other shit goes down hill, if markets start to slump, these start to go up. I've only day traded VIX and I would not recommend bag holding on these.

TVIX, VIX, VIXY, VIIX.

Is there a version of these VIX stocks on the TSX? Hoping to trade in Canadian dollars.

Razor Ramon HG 03-16-2020 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxrsxxx (Post 8978097)
Is there a version of these VIX stocks on the TSX? Hoping to trade in Canadian dollars.

Not that I'm aware of.

You'll have to do a conversion. But if you're with a bank like CIBC, you can have them move it from your CAD side of your portfolio to your USD side so you don't need to deal with conversion fees each time you make a trade.

blkgsr 03-16-2020 06:02 AM

wow, what a start

Euro7r 03-16-2020 08:03 AM

Times like these, cash is king :( All my gains from my TFSA/RRSP wiped out...

unit 03-16-2020 08:30 AM

same with everyone else. what you should be doing is selling your bond positions if you have any, and holding cash until you're ready to buy in.

blkgsr 03-16-2020 08:32 AM

does anyone know the rules on sending money into your spouses TFSA directly?

as mentioned i've topped mine up, but can i transfer funds directly from my bank account into my wifes TFSA? i believe i've done it in the past but with a larger amount i wanted to be sure

xxxrsxxx 03-16-2020 09:04 AM

bloodbath....is apple/tesla stock low enough to buy now

dapperfied 03-16-2020 09:33 AM

All in baby - Scotty Nguyen

Razor Ramon HG 03-16-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxrsxxx (Post 8978142)
bloodbath....is apple/tesla stock low enough to buy now

I think both have a ways to go.

Apple retraced half a year and Tesla retraced to the beginning of the year.

blkgsr 03-16-2020 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dapperfied (Post 8978147)
All in baby - Scotty Nguyen

too soon junior, too soon





atleast what's i hearing

Razor Ramon HG 03-16-2020 11:49 AM

Trump randomly threw out July/August as a timeline for when things will start getting better. He also said that USA might be in a recession.

He got baited hard and the markets are reacting.

Also said airlines are being bailed out. SPY went from 242 to 245 from that.

HonestTea 03-16-2020 12:45 PM

PUTS BABYYYYYYYYY

blkgsr 03-16-2020 12:50 PM

so just doing some quick reading...

you had a stock and a sell price a X

stock has now gone way down but you're still able to sell the stock to someone at X?

unit 03-16-2020 02:20 PM

are you just asking in general how orders get filled?

Razor Ramon HG 03-16-2020 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blkgsr (Post 8978204)
so just doing some quick reading...

you had a stock and a sell price a X

stock has now gone way down but you're still able to sell the stock to someone at X?

https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlike..._trading_work/

Slifer 03-16-2020 04:33 PM

How do I go about shorting Canadian stocks?


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