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[m3thods]

^ good choice!

I was surprised at the supposed MSRP of the new 70-300 being higher than the 70-200 f/4 actually, but i guess new IS and new optical formula and 100mm = $$$.

[ilvtofu]

Yeah ordered one in the states gonna pick it up next week I guess, border lineups are a little crazy though

[!MiKrofT]

Hmm. Thinking of getting a wide angle for xmas.

Narrowed it to: Tokina 11-16 F2.8 and Canon 10-22 f/3.5 - 4.5 USM

Thoughts? Going onto my 40D

[ddr]

i believe they're equally sharp

tokina for indoor or low-light, canon for excellent flare control. apparently wide angle nuts own both

[Hehe]

Does anyone know if there's any shop around town that have a Nikon 35mm F1.4G to rent or to try it out?

I am in the market for one but Broadway Cameras (although they said they have stock) won't let me even try a couple of shots before making my mind to drop 2 grands on it.

[Dangerphoto]

Quick question...
Which lens would be the optimal choice for indoor party/restaurant photography without flash? Mostly shooting food + friends...

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM

or

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

or even any 3rd party lens.

I am looking for high level of detail and sharpness...something with a big aperture to handle the low light settings. I want to have the range because it is handy, but I know prime lenses are still the best for sharpness and detail...not sure where my next investment should be into...

Feedback would be great,

Shin

[ddr]

how come you don't want to use a flash?

[Dangerphoto]

^ People hate the strobing from the e-ttl and people aren't natural when they see a flash coming at them.

Currently owning the two kit lenses and a 50mm on my 450d...looking to get some sharper images from better lenses...they are very slow lenses...I should invest into a flash unit too...but yeah

[m3thods]

my personal choice is for the 24-70 on your crop body, but rumor has it that it's replacement is on the horizon. of course this is just a rumor


how about the sigma 30mm 1.4? I only hear great things about them. There aren't any real 3rd party lenses that will give you the same reach. Not sure how the sigma 24-70 hsm compares to the L.

[Boostslut]

I second the Sigma 30mm F1.4, although i don't have one yet but hopefully i do at some point! Great walk around on a crop, and good for indoor stuff too.

[ddr]

i'm gonna take a stab at this and give u my 2 cents

the 16-35 will be better indoors for wider shots. but if you already own a 50mm (f/1.8?) you're going backwards in wanting better low light shots. the only thing I can see counteracting that is if you shoot at 16mm you can handhold it at 1/(16x1.6) instead of the 1/(50x1.6) with the 50mm.

i use my flash in all my friend gatherings in restaurants. the flash is pointing up or against the wall most of the time. i think a 30mm (sigma 1.4) prime would suit you better if you must get a lens. I'd grab a 580exII instead, gel it properly, and add a light modifier. i think you should know by now how much light is sufficient when taking a shot with the max. usable iso on the 450D paired with the 50mm @ its largest aperture. some restaurants are really dim. might need a 5D and f/1.2 for that w/o a flash heh

Here's a user comparison between the two. it's more a discussion on focal length.

[Dangerphoto]

I will think about the flash...it was so cheap a while back...$399 in Toronto brand new...

But yeah...on the crop body...50mm (F/1.8) is really too close it works pretty well for me in a few situations but I do want that wider angle...main thing is level of detail and sharpness...some nice bokeh is cool too

Gonna wait to see if there will be upgraded versions of some lenses...going to get rid of the 50mm and see if I can also upgrade to a 85mm focal length or a little bit more...for a few outdoor portrait shots.

Thanks for the input,

Shin

[moky]

the 24mm might be a tad bit wide on a crop body for indoor shots (i guess depending on actual physical indoor space). if you don't see yourself going FF in the future, why not get the canon 17-55? it gives u a balance of range, big aperture and it's also a bit cheaper than either 16-35 or 24-70. and it has IS too

and if people hate the big flashes, try looking into the small flash canon came out with: the 270ex. it might provide just the right amount of fill/bounce flash you need and it won't look oversized or intimidating like the 430/580ex flash units.

[gilly]

Which one should i get between the 3 lens.

Tokina 11-16mm f2.8, Nikon 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G, OR Sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6

Probably just doing general indoor/outdoor shooting. Nothing special. Just want a good all around wide angle lens. thx

[!MiKrofT]

Originally Posted by shinraboy

I will think about the flash...it was so cheap a while back...$399 in Toronto brand new...

But yeah...on the crop body...50mm (F/1.8) is really too close it works pretty well for me in a few situations but I do want that wider angle...main thing is level of detail and sharpness...some nice bokeh is cool too

Gonna wait to see if there will be upgraded versions of some lenses...going to get rid of the 50mm and see if I can also upgrade to a 85mm focal length or a little bit more...for a few outdoor portrait shots.

Thanks for the input,

Shin

580EX II @ Vistek.ca on sale this saturday for $419

http://www.vistek.ca/marketing/enews...dec9_2010.html

[m3thods]

^damnit that's such a good deal. only 5% tax too

why'd you have to go and post that before I'm done all my Christmas shopping?

[!MiKrofT]

Lol. I'd buy it if I didn't already have my 430ex ii.
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[ilvtofu]

Not gonna start a new thread but just a question for you experienced photographers out there

I just got my EF 70-300 IS USM and when I'm taking pictures it buzzes a lot, I believe it is the IS, when I'm in my living room with my tv on you can't really hear it but definitely noticeable when I was in my bedroom. Is this normal? It's not the focusing for sure

Also this lens focuses noticeably slower than the 17-40 USM but I'm guessing that's because of the sheer range.

Overall I'm still VERY impressed by the quality of the pictures though and the IS works really well. Taking pictures at 1/13 that still turn out fine

[77civic1200]

Ya the IS is supposedly pretty noisey, read that from a few people before

What are the chances you are coming back out to a UBC autocross and want to let me try it? I'll let you try the bigma

[ilvtofu]

Haha maybe in the new year, my brother still goes every time. He's the one in the gold 02 trans am

[!MiKrofT]

That's cause it's not Ring USM. They use Micro USM. A cheaper, slower, noisier alternative.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=15260787

[77civic1200]

Originally Posted by ilvtofu

Haha maybe in the new year, my brother still goes every time. He's the one in the gold 02 trans am

Felix?

I'm sure he will pass along your lens in trade for a few extra shots of his car haha

[gars]

Originally Posted by !MiKrofT

That's cause it's not Ring USM. They use Micro USM. A cheaper, slower, noisier alternative.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=15260787

Yes, the Micro USM is noisy, but after it focuses, you can definitely hear the buzz of the IS. I love how well the IS works on it though - especially if you're shooting at 300mm - the picture just stabilizes in the viewfinder.

It's definitely a great lens!

[m3thods]

yeah it's pretty crazy. i never noticed the IS on my old 17-85 but when i got my 70-200 IS i started tripping out when i saw it stabilize in the viewfinder. very cool!

[qhey]

Hi when buying a used Len, what are some things to look for to make sure every thing works??
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