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12-11-2008, 07:34 PM
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Good news, th Wild and Oilers lost tonight.
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12-11-2008, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare  No, because if Sundin goes to the Rangers, I can guarantee Gomez or Drury is gone. They're making 7.3mil and 7mil respectively.
Now if Sundin becomes a Canuck, who will lose their A? I highly doubt Luongo's losing his C. | ummm NO ONE?! why do u assume he would automatically get that? because he used to be a captain? if he were joining, he'd be joining a team almost mid way and only for this year.... you really think AV is going to go up to mitchell ohlund or kesler and say "hey, mats here now so someone give him your A which you earned but its ok cause he used to be a captain"
are you friggin serious? are you even a hockey fan?
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12-11-2008, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by suprasian ummm NO ONE?! why do u assume he would automatically get that? because he used to be a captain? if he were joining, he'd be joining a team almost mid way and only for this year.... you really think AV is going to go up to mitchell ohlund or kesler and say "hey, mats here now so someone give him your A which you earned but its ok cause he used to be a captain"
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12-11-2008, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by m0nster | yea and look where that led us....
and who's steering the ship today? it aint iron mike, its not the 90's and it wasnt mid season. and im sorry but mats sundin isnt mark messier (i didnt like the move but im just saying) unless one of them is traded (ie ohlund) then maybe it could happen but i personally think thats a far stretch unless he signs on for the 2 years, not the reportedly one that he wanted.
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12-11-2008, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by m0nster | Trevor Linden gave up captaincy to moose. It was out of respect. The canucks would NEVER have forced Trevor to give up the C even for gretzky.
Hell when gretzky went to the rangers, he didnt even get the A. Mats is a great leader to a certain extent, but that was in Toronto, where ever he may end up, its up to management or the players to decide who wears letters for the team. Letter or not, a leader is a leader, and it doesnt have to be represented by a physical mark. Look at ovechkin, he isnt a captain, has the alternate, but as long as Chris Clark hasnt screwed up, he will wear the C for a long time until he decides to leave the caps or gets traded
Ryan Smyth is a great leader, but he never wore the C for the oilers
Henrik had the A on his sweater cuz salo was out, so they gave it to a sedin.
all that rubbish above, the keypoint is, as great as XXX player is a great leader, a new environment to a new group of people means he still has to gain respect on the personal level to really become what he is again
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12-11-2008, 09:32 PM
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#6306 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare No, because if Sundin goes to the Rangers, I can guarantee Gomez or Drury is gone. They're making 7.3mil and 7mil respectively.
Now if Sundin becomes a Canuck, who will lose their A? I highly doubt Luongo's losing his C. | 8 and 7.1 respectively. If Sundin goes to the Rangers, it clearly isn't gunna be for salary reasons, so I doubt they're going to need to move that much in cap space for him, especially when he's only looking to sign for half a season or so. He's gunna want to win a cup and by moving one of those key players, it'll be counterintuitive to Sundin's goal.
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12-11-2008, 09:36 PM
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I could see some changes in NY because the Rangers haven't been playing that great of late.
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12-11-2008, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaKo 8 and 7.1 respectively. If Sundin goes to the Rangers, it clearly isn't gunna be for salary reasons, so I doubt they're going to need to move that much in cap space for him, especially when he's only looking to sign for half a season or so. He's gunna want to win a cup and by moving one of those key players, it'll be counterintuitive to Sundin's goal. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri I could see some changes in NY because the Rangers haven't been playing that great of late. | Both are correct
Sundin for all i kno could sign for 1mil with the blueshirts
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12-11-2008, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaKo 8 and 7.1 respectively. If Sundin goes to the Rangers, it clearly isn't gunna be for salary reasons, so I doubt they're going to need to move that much in cap space for him, especially when he's only looking to sign for half a season or so. He's gunna want to win a cup and by moving one of those key players, it'll be counterintuitive to Sundin's goal. | I looked at this. http://salaries.hockeyanalysis.com/teams/nyrangers.php
Then I looked at this. http://www.sportscity.com/NHL/New-York-Rangers-Salaries
What's the difference between Salary and Cap Number?
So now that Sundin's joining for half a season, how much is he acutally gonna get paid now? Canucks aren't planning to pay the full 10 mil for half a season right? If, for example, he was gonna get 5 million, all the teams going for him have enough space under the cap in this case.
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12-11-2008, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by darthchilli Trevor Linden gave up captaincy to moose. It was out of respect. The canucks would NEVER have forced Trevor to give up the C even for gretzky. | yup, thats true. and messier was like "uh..ok. thanks" also remember it was at the beginning of the season. its highly unlikey a player joining a team midway through a season and be named captain. Quote:
Originally Posted by AzNightmare So now that Sundin's joining for half a season, how much is he acutally gonna get paid now? Canucks aren't planning to pay the full 10 mil for half a season right? If, for example, he was gonna get 5 million, all the teams going for him have enough space under the cap in this case. | most likely will be pro-rated for the rest of the season
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12-11-2008, 11:25 PM
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Its quite easy to understand really...He will get paid 10 million for the 82 games but since he is joining late he will get paid for only the remaining games. It will still be a 10 million cap but obviously the Canucks won't be paying him 10 million.
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12-11-2008, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaKo 8 and 7.1 respectively. If Sundin goes to the Rangers, it clearly isn't gunna be for salary reasons, so I doubt they're going to need to move that much in cap space for him, especially when he's only looking to sign for half a season or so. He's gunna want to win a cup and by moving one of those key players, it'll be counterintuitive to Sundin's goal. | He won't go to NYR if he wants a cup....they will get raped by San Jose or Detroit
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12-12-2008, 12:12 AM
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nucks need luongo back asap curtis and cory arent pulling their weight
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12-12-2008, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chadnish nucks need luongo back asap curtis and cory arent pulling their weight | you mean they are not stealing games, like luongo would
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12-12-2008, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jigga250 He won't go to NYR if he wants a cup....they will get raped by San Jose or Detroit | Well, NYR, Montreal, Chicago, Vancouver. Take your pick, because SJ and Detroit arent in the run for Sundin. Quote:
Originally Posted by chadnish nucks need luongo back asap curtis and cory arent pulling their weight | They are doing mediocre. Canucks are around the .500 level right now in their past several games. I wouldn't solely blame the goaltenders though.
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12-12-2008, 01:20 AM
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#6316 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by jigga250 He won't go to NYR if he wants a cup....they will get raped by San Jose or Detroit | considering that, by all accounts, neither san jose or detroit are in the running, i would imagine the rangers are the best bet. the west is so tough that it's tough to say which team will make the finals, whereas sundin in the east can have a greater effect in determining which team makes the final series. Not to mention, the Rangers are already sitting near the top without Sundin.
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12-12-2008, 06:42 AM
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Hard to think that after losing 5 of our last 7 we have a chance to finish our road trip with 7 of a possible 14 points. FUck I hope Luongo plays on Wednesday when I go to the game but that might be wishful thinking rite now.
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12-12-2008, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ChaKo considering that, by all accounts, neither san jose or detroit are in the running, i would imagine the rangers are the best bet. the west is so tough that it's tough to say which team will make the finals, whereas sundin in the east can have a greater effect in determining which team makes the final series. Not to mention, the Rangers are already sitting near the top without Sundin. | Have fun trying to find somebody that'll take on the contracts of either Gomez, Drury, Naslund, Redden or Rozsival because that's what they're going to have to do in order to take on Sundin.
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12-12-2008, 12:07 PM
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So Rick Ball on Team 1040 said that is reported that Luongo did suffer a setback the other day and will be out for a lengthy period of time. No source except him so take it for what it's worth but if true that's balls.
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12-12-2008, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by quasi So Rick Ball on Team 1040 said that is reported that Luongo did suffer a setback the other day and will be out for a lengthy period of time. No source except him so take it for what it's worth but if true that's balls. | The Vancouver Canucks may have to wait a little longer for captain Roberto Luongo to return to the lineup.
Luongo was experiencing pain while making "dynamic movements" in practice and as a result, will not take to the ice again until the pain subsides. His status remains week-to-week.
"For some time, Roberto has been feeling some soreness when he was doing some dynamic excursuses on the ice," head coach Alain Vigneault said. "When it was in a controlled environment he was fine but when he was more dynamic, the soreness was there. Until that soreness completely goes away, he's going to be off the ice."
The All-Star netminder originally had hoped to make his return from the groin injury this weekend against the Oilers, however Luongo did not make the trip with the team to Edmonton.
"We have to wait and see when he's 100 percent because we're only going to bring him back when he's 100 percent," said Vigneault.
The Vancouver Sun reported that the 29-year old keeper suffered a setback when he left Canucks' practice early on Wednesday without talking to reporters.
The two-time all-star has been sidelined since November 22nd after suffering an injury in the first period during a victory over the Pittsburgh Penguins.
Luongo, who continues to lead all Western Conference goaltenders in fan balloting for the All-Star game, has been spectacular in net for the Canucks this season sporting an 11-5-2 record with a 2.17 goals against average and .928 save percentage in 19 games this season.
Curtis Sanford and Cory Schneider will continue to split starts until Luongo is able to return. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=2594...=topStory_main
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12-12-2008, 01:30 PM
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thats what luongo gets for not taking a chill pill..
he kept practicing like it aint no thing!
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12-12-2008, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare | Like others said it will get pro-rated like Neids or Selanne last year. They will sign for $xx amount for the year, but get paid for the remaining games they play.
In terms of the difference between Salary and Cap number. Salary is what the player is getting paid this year. Cap Number is the amount that counts towards the team's Salary Cap. Thats cause Salary Cap is calculated by Total divided by the contract length. One player's contract might be front loaded 10M one year, but if its $30M for 5 years then its a $6M Cap hit.
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12-12-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by stuff99 thats what luongo gets for not taking a chill pill..
he kept practicing like it aint no thing! | Doesn't sound like he aggravated it. It just sounds like the "controlled environment/dynamic excersises" just determined the progress of the injury. Which is unfortunately slower than hoped.
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12-12-2008, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ch28 Have fun trying to find somebody that'll take on the contracts of either Gomez, Drury, Naslund, Redden or Rozsival because that's what they're going to have to do in order to take on Sundin. | if it was about money, i think we would have seen sundin in a canucks jersey a long time ago. the man has already made it clear money is the last thing on his mind. i wouldn't have been surprised to see him in a 2 mil contract with the rangers if they didn't ease up during this last little bit. i hope he tries us out for a season then signs with the pens for 500k if it doesn't work out. the man deserves a cup win imo.
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12-12-2008, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChaKo if it was about money, i think we would have seen sundin in a canucks jersey a long time ago. the man has already made it clear money is the last thing on his mind. i wouldn't have been surprised to see him in a 2 mil contract with the rangers if they didn't ease up during this last little bit. i hope he tries us out for a season then signs with the pens for 500k if it doesn't work out. the man deserves a cup win imo. | 
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