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01-29-2009, 10:49 AM
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#8826 | | Say NO to blade grinders!
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Originally Posted by 411ken  Man... if you were a canuck and you said all this... i guarantee you'll be on the first line with Pyatt lol....If they bring in a new coach, it'll bring in a new atmosphere.. excitement...who even knows if these players like playing for AV right now... | This is probably why he only got the 1 year contract to prove himself. If we don't make a big splash in the post season you can be pretty sure he won't be back. I have a feeling the twins won't be back either. oh well.
Deja vu from last season seriously.
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01-29-2009, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Blah_Teggie I would love to see either John Tortorella or Pat Quinn here to take over. I don't think AV's mean enuff. | i told my buddy that we should get the exact same coaches u mentioned.
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01-29-2009, 10:53 AM
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#8828 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by SHARKY! What strategy is that? When the Canucks try to be offensive they are, but then suck at their own end. When they're trying to be defensive they can't defend for their life. So then if they can't be either offensive or defensive what's left? Like I said. AV can only coach so much and its up to the team to win the games.
I mean say if we bring in a new coach whats that gonna solve and how is the new coach going to fix what we have now?
Its the players, not the coach. | It's true that the results on the ice is ultimately determined by the players alone. But aren't players playing on the paremeters set out to them by the coach.
Also, isn't the strategy of defensive 1 goal differential games the coach's decision as well. It worked the 1st year AV was here as were were in the good end of those 1 goal games, but backfired horribly last season, and again this season on the eve of Luongo's injury. Kind of makes you think whether the strategy of being in the right side of 1 goal games is based on luck.
Lastly, you can't treat established NHL players like you do your junior players. Yes you want to make players accountable but they're not kids. Demoting Naslund to an abyss of pluggers, same thing with Demitra this year. Also under utilizing your key players such as Wellwood (who was brought in to finish plays) and Hordichuk (to better establish our physical presence) for pluggers to grind games out instead.
Shit, I can go on but that's the gist of it. I haven't even started with lack of line consistency. Mike Gillis has already put a good team on paper.
He upgraded the scoring abilities our with the acquisition of Sundin & Wellwood to add from the Sedins
He improved our overall toughness with the acquisition of Hordichuk and O' Brien to add from Brown and Rypien
We have one of the best checking lines in the league which also provides our team speed.
We have arguably one of the best goaltenders in the NHL, backed up by Sanford and now LaBarbera.
We have a solid D when Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell, Bieksa and Edler who (Salo & Edler) are also proven scoring threats on the blue with their shot.
What the hell else does AV need?
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01-29-2009, 11:42 AM
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I don't care who's fault it is anymore. I don't have a man-crush on AV, so I don't care if he leaves. And who can possibly make it worst? Canucks are on a losing streak. If I was coach, Canucks would lose too. What's the diff?
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01-29-2009, 11:44 AM
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#8830 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
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They can't win a game to save their lives, but the Vancouver Canucks have their game faces on at practice today at UBC.
Losers of eight straight home games, the Canucks' tension and frustration boiled over with a practice altercation involving defenceman Willie Mitchell and winger Mason Raymond.
Mitchell ran at Raymond during a drill and, when the speedy sophomore came back at the veteran in the corner, Mitchell punched Raymond in the head and cross-checked him hard on the shoulder.
The fracas drew several players and coaches, and tough defenceman Shane O'Brien skated to Raymond's defence and challenged Mitchell to fight before tempers calmed.
Centre Mats Sundin, meanwhile, has been reassigned to the checking line. He is practising between Ryan Kesler and Alex Burrows.
| Mitchell, Raymond + O'Brien fighting. Awesome. Just Awesome.
Sundin assigned to checking line.
Fucking great. Very smart move AV...very fucking smart.
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01-29-2009, 11:54 AM
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#8831 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare I don't care who's fault it is anymore. I don't have a man-crush on AV, so I don't care if he leaves. And who can possibly make it worst? Canucks are on a losing streak. If I was coach, Canucks would lose too. What's the diff? | Well you'll never be a coach so we don't have to worry about that. I think it's a stupid comparison. They get paid the big bucks, so they should know what's working and what's not, all AV does is rely on Lu when the game is close and he did last year making him look so smart with his system.. but not anymore lol.
7 games in a row and you put sundin with Burrows/Kesler? not saying anything wrong with that but I'm sure we didn't sign him to play a checking role. Sundin/Demitra is getting paid the big bucks so if we are going to lose might as well lose with them playing together in the 2nd or 1st line and let them get used to eachother. It seems like AV thinks these players will just build chemistry after 1 game or something lol.
anwyays...enough about ranting. lol.. go canucks!! =)
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01-29-2009, 12:04 PM
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#8832 | | Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
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while anyone can say that it's the players fault for not being good enough, it's the coaches that give them the game plan. such as how many/hard to forecheck, formations, etc etc. his plan worked 2 years ago when nonis 'rebuilt' the team from the net out and didn't have the offensive capabilities. this year gillis continues nonis' work by providing some god damn offensive power and AV isn't adjusting his styles to complement his new players. this means using players where they should be. wake up calls are okay, keeping your star players with players that do not compliment his style, not so good.
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01-29-2009, 12:06 PM
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#8833 | | Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
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mike johnson, assistant coach under crawford and IMO, the one that should have gotten the job over AV could be a good consideration
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01-29-2009, 12:16 PM
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#8834 | | GO FLAMES GO
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01-29-2009, 12:49 PM
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#8835 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Noir: I can understand what you're getting at.
But yea, the Canucks MAIN THING is that they just need ONE win, just one and they'll have confidence in themselves again.
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01-29-2009, 01:30 PM
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#8836 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga Sundin assigned to checking line.
Fucking great. Very smart move AV...very fucking smart. | Yeah I don't get why he's in the checking line. Isn't the role of that line to shut down the opposing team's best players. I thought we were paid Sundin $8 mil to help our scoring lines? Quote:
Originally Posted by noots this year gillis continues nonis' work by providing some god damn offensive power and AV isn't adjusting his styles to complement his new players. this means using players where they should be. wake up calls are okay, keeping your star players with players that do not compliment his style, not so good. | Kinda makes you feel for Naslund, Sedins, Demo & Welly eh. You get public pressure to score more but are put in the most difficult situations to do so.
First of all, you're placed in an offensively restricted system
Second of all, in a defensivley focused team, if you happen to go on a 5 game pointless streak, you're considered useless and demoted in icetime and of linemates.
Does anybody remember Trevor Linden holding a closed door meeting/speech in the locker room before a game. IIRC, it was closed doors even to the coaching staff themselves. Apart from Naslund departing due to Vigneault, was this also an indication of a divide between Linden and Vigneault?
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01-29-2009, 01:39 PM
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#8837 | | Say NO to blade grinders!
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Originally Posted by Noir Yeah I don't get why he's in the checking line. Isn't the role of that line to shut down the opposing team's best players. I thought we were paid Sundin$8 mil to help our scoring lines? | probably because its our checking line that did the scoring yesterday haha
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01-29-2009, 01:50 PM
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#8838 | | Willing to sell a family member for a few minutes on RS
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Originally Posted by HachiSix probably because its our checking line that did the scoring yesterday haha | probably
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01-29-2009, 02:27 PM
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#8839 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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Oh wow, they're fighting now in practice? What a bloody disgrace this team has become. It's becoming more obvious by the hour that AV and his bench clowns have lost this team.
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01-29-2009, 03:37 PM
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#8840 | | Banned (ABWS)?
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This is horrible... I wished Gillis can quickly find someone suitable to replace AV. If AV likes juggling lines so much, he should juggle himself away.
Canucks have a solid team on paper. Don't waste this oppurtunity.
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01-29-2009, 03:40 PM
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#8841 | | ninja edits your posts without your knowledge
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare This is horrible... I wished Gillis can quickly find someone suitable to replace AV. If AV likes juggling lines so much, he should juggle himself away.
Canucks have a solid team on paper. Don't waste this oppurtunity. | So who would you suggest we hire?
Pat Quinn?
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01-29-2009, 03:46 PM
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#8842 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by CRS So who would you suggest we hire?
Pat Quinn? | Linden  . That's the only way to guarantee bringing the team back on the same page. But that's just wishful thinking 
On a little more serious note, I like Crawford. Apart from the goaltending, that guy was on the helm of the Canuck's most exciting and productive years.
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01-29-2009, 03:48 PM
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#8843 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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Not sure if Pat would want to come in and fix this mess. I wouldn't mind seeing John Tortorella but he could do more damage with his coaching style and temper.
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01-29-2009, 03:49 PM
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#8844 | | ninja edits your posts without your knowledge
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Originally Posted by Noir Linden . That's the only way to guarantee bringing the team back on the same page. But that's just wishful thinking
On a little more serious note, I like Crawford. Apart from the goaltending, that guy was on the helm of the Canuck's most exciting and productive years. | I would love to see linden somehow be apart of the organization but there is no evidence to say that great players make great coaches.
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01-29-2009, 03:55 PM
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#8845 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by CRS I would love to see linden somehow be apart of the organization but there is no evidence to say that great players make great coaches. | Fine. I wonder if Coach Gordon Bombay is available.
He'd tie these guys in a rope and teach them to stick together.  | |
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01-29-2009, 03:58 PM
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#8846 | | ninja edits your posts without your knowledge
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Originally Posted by Noir Fine. I wonder if Coach Gordon Bombay is available.
He'd tie these guys in a rope and teach them to stick together. | He'd also show Bernier that getting garbage goals are still goals.
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01-29-2009, 03:59 PM
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#8847 | | Even when im right, revscene.net is still right!
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Originally Posted by CRS So who would you suggest we hire?
Pat Quinn? | Possibly, or John Tortorella.
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01-29-2009, 04:01 PM
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#8848 | | God of Unce
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AV should go work at a circus since he likes to juggle so much.
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01-29-2009, 04:31 PM
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we should try Linden as coach
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01-29-2009, 04:39 PM
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#8850 | | Captain Happy Bubble is my Homeboy
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AV is so stupid...he should just leave these lines and if we lose he's out simple as that.
Sedin Sedin Wellwood
Demitra Sundin Bernier
Burrows Kesler Hansen
Hordichuk Johnson Jaffray
Av is a moron for the following reasons;
benching Wellwood, the 2nd highest goal scorer on the team constantly
Playing Pyatt like he's the savior
Playing Sundin on a checking line??
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