Official 2008/2009 Canucks Thread

[RenoMan]

have a lil of everything is what im trying to say.

[woob]

Originally Posted by WilsonSo13

have a lil of everything is what im trying to say.

no. fucking. shit.

is what the rest of us are trying to say.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

anyone with half a brain knows the answer is no.

I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you.

Of the 3 answers, I think Bob McKenzie is the best.
*If* Luongo wanted 10Mill per season to stay, would you bow down to that and give him that much $$$
*If* it would cost you $20+ mill per year to resign the Twins and Lu, would you do that?

I'm not saying "yes, go trade Lu" but keep your options open. What if you get a first round pick for 2009, 2010, and 2011 to trade Lu?

Because the Leafs didn't pressure Sundin to wave his NTC, he walked away from the team at the end of the season and they were left with a big fcuk you.

Look at Minny. They wanted to trade Gaborik before the trade deadline because he has basically said FU to the team and wants out. Come July 1, he can sign with whoever he wants to, and Minny gets nothing in return.

If Lu doesn't like the way the team is going and his drive to win the cup is that much, there is no reason he might not sign a "discount" type deal with a cup contender after July 1 2010 and the Nucks would get nothing.

Oh, and if Det can pull it off, they would be living proof that a team can win the cup twice without a super star goalie. Osgood is good, but definately no Luongo.

Even watching the Hawls/Nucks series, Lu for the most part, was better than Khabbi, yet he won a cup with TB.

[DanHibiki]

Wilson nailed it. New York Rangers is the best example of why you can't win by just making off-season signings of superstars. The only hope they have now is if Gomez, Drury, and Redden all follow Naslund and retires.

Success = good young talent early in their career playing for cheap plus a few superstars.

[BlackV62K2]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

I'm sorry, but I would have to disagree with you.

Of the 3 answers, I think Bob McKenzie is the best.
*If* Luongo wanted 10Mill per season to stay, would you bow down to that and give him that much $$$
*If* it would cost you $20+ mill per year to resign the Twins and Lu, would you do that?

I'm not saying "yes, go trade Lu" but keep your options open. What if you get a first round pick for 2009, 2010, and 2011 to trade Lu?

Because the Leafs didn't pressure Sundin to wave his NTC, he walked away from the team at the end of the season and they were left with a big fcuk you.

Look at Minny. They wanted to trade Gaborik before the trade deadline because he has basically said FU to the team and wants out. Come July 1, he can sign with whoever he wants to, and Minny gets nothing in return.

If Lu doesn't like the way the team is going and his drive to win the cup is that much, there is no reason he might not sign a "discount" type deal with a cup contender after July 1 2010 and the Nucks would get nothing.

Oh, and if Det can pull it off, they would be living proof that a team can win the cup twice without a super star goalie. Osgood is good, but definately no Luongo.

Even watching the Hawls/Nucks series, Lu for the most part, was better than Khabbi, yet he won a cup with TB.

I agree with you 100%.

[DanHibiki]

No contract extention for Lu by 2010 trade deadline = RAPE HIM UNTIL HE SUCCUMBS TO WAIVING HIS NO-TRADE CLAUSE THEN TRADE HIM OH SO MANY DRAFT PICKS AND PROSPECTS!

[MR_BIGGS]

Originally Posted by BlackV62K2

I like how Boston's goalie just booted it after Canes scored in OT lol. Didn't even react to the goal and just headed straight for the bench hahaha.

He always does that!

After shootout losses or oT losses during the season he use to bolt so fast..i always wonder why he does that...its awesome though..

[RenoMan]

Originally Posted by jonogunn8

Wilson nailed it. New York Rangers is the best example of why you can't win by just making off-season signings of superstars. The only hope they have now is if Gomez, Drury, and Redden all follow Naslund and retires.

Success = good young talent early in their career playing for cheap plus a few superstars.

i guess let hope sumthing happens soon for nucks

[Gh0stRider]

Originally Posted by jigga250

because he was pushed into the net by cleary

Hitler did not have possession of the puck. It was a rebound situation.

NHL Rule book states

69.6 Rebounds and Loose Pucks - In a rebound situation, or where a goalkeeper and attacking player(s) are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck, whether inside or outside the crease, incidental contact with the goalkeeper will be permitted, and any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed.

In the event that a goalkeeper has been pushed into the net together with the puck by an attacking player after making a stop, the goal will be disallowed. If applicable, appropriate penalties will be assessed.

In the event that the puck is under a player in or around the crease area (deliberately or otherwise), a goal cannot be scored by pushing this player together with the puck into the goal. If applicable, the appropriate penalties will be assessed, including a penalty shot if deemed to be covered in the crease deliberately (see Rule 63 – Delaying the Game

[Harvey Specter]

Wings/Hawks series is going to be nuts.

[goo3]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

theres still hockey to be played

i say Canes over Boston by a goal..
and wings have figured out the ducks

anyways..
the comments im reading EVERYWHERE. Vancouver hockey fans are fucking douchebags. its been proven night in and night out. I love the canucks, but this solidifies my theory that Vancouver is all about PRODUCT HYPE and nothing else.

lol nice call

[wahyinghung]

GO Wings! and hopefully a rematch of lasts finals........

[Tim Budong]

Originally Posted by goo3

lol nice call

all based on facts xept the canes game

an elite team cannot lose 3 straight and the truth is that Cam Ward is better than Tim Thomas. Both goalies played amazing tonight tho, the better team won in the OT, clearly was carolina who had way more rushes

as for the ducks..bad break? but the wings got a pretty shitty one earlier on too. regardless, the wings finally played some decent enough hockey to solidify their win tonight, ducks start beating up the other team doesnt help much either.

the 3rd round looks to be very fucking good
Hawks and Wings..wow..speedy young guns vs proven veterens

pens..just..the amount of talent as well

so yea..proves to that goof who says the nucks shoudl sign superstars.
xept the hawks..they signed brian Campbell..but they drafted most of their squad

[DanHibiki]

^Campbell was an added piece to the puzzle. Its also required to have a good team but the CORE makeup of your team should be based on you're in-house developed player.

ie. Chicago (Kanes & Towes)
Pittsburgh (Malkin & Crosby)
Detroit (Zetterberg & Datsyuk & Lidstrom)

I'm jealous of Detroit and San Jose's drafting, they never go wrong. I believe San Jose doesn't even have scouts that go out and search for players, they just go on power rankings or something.

It seems like Gillis' main emphasis is building the young stock on the team which is good but that also requires good scouting and drafting which I hope he is capable of. Cody Hodgson so far, good start...at least we hope.

[Harvey Specter]

Fuck, the Canucks piss me off. I've been trying to forget about our epic lose but it's so hard when you see a team like the Canes knock off Boston. We had the series, we could have been in the 3rd round making a push for the cup final but instead we're talking about next season. It also pisses me off how young teams like the Canes can win the cup and a few years later make it deep again while the Canucks have made the 3rd round TWICE in franchise history.

[AzNightmare]

I dunno, Canucks draft picks suck like crap.
Either that, or they don't develop them like how Detroit does.

Detroit never seems to have bad drafting. And they never have a bad season it seems... Really annoying.

[RenoMan]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

so yea..proves to that goof who says the nucks shoudl sign superstars.
xept the hawks..they signed brian Campbell..but they drafted most of their squad

You actually think hawks would be as mobile without campbell? is he worth it ? Does he play a role in the team? Jonogunn8 said it right the core should be the makeup of in-house developed player. Sure you can have the drafts and scouting tip top shape but you also have to consider if the players gettin drafted is a good investment.

Look at a bunch of players that get drafted, how many actually get to play? and how many just get sent down after seeing there performance. ie Gilbert Brule rd1 @ 6th pick, played, traded, played and sent down. Zetterberg ie. was drafted rd 7 @200 ish pick, look at how he turned out ( a fucken surprise). Sometimes other teams drafts just are lucky and some just suck.
In the end it comes down to drafts, good scouting,trades and bring in the nessecary players that can guide n mentor the young guys.

[DanHibiki]

Drafting and scouting in hockey is pretty much a crap-shoot. Other than the OBVIOUS for sure superstars to be (Ovechkin, Crobsy, etc.) most of the other players drafted are up in the air.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

I dunno, Canucks draft picks suck like crap.
Either that, or they don't develop them like how Detroit does.

Detroit never seems to have bad drafting. And they never have a bad season it seems... Really annoying.

That's exactly what Bob McKenzie was talking about sometime last year when he was on with P&T. Everyone goes ga-ga over having high draft picks, but Detroit has been doing so well so long, it's been forever since they've drafted anywhere higher than 26th or so. Yet they somehow manage to consistently draft all these amazing players? Well, the secret is their development system. Scouting is an important part, being able to select the right people who will fit your system, but much more important is the ability to develop them.

Frankly, anyone who gets to the NHL entry draft is NOT going to inherently suck. You don't even get a glance, let alone picked, if there's not some level of skill and raw talent there to begin with. But if all a club does, is bring in that raw talent and expect it to magically show itself, they're probably going to be disappointed. Detroit's WHOLE SYSTEM appears to work together to find the players that they think have the talent, that they can then mold to what they need... and then put in the time and care to do that molding... and voila, you have Zetterberg.

I have hope for Mike Gillis here, because he appears to recognize this, and in his first draft appears to have made a conscious effort to look beyond the stats and Central Scouting reports for players that he can bring into HIS system - ie. "smart" hockey - and develop them the way he needs to fit his design. Remember how everyone ragged on him for bypassing the "obvious" selection - er, what was that kid's name now? don't even remember, he's vanished into obscurity already - and going with Cody Hodgson, the hero of Team Canada's juniors?

You keep doing that, and you train up these kids to fit the system of hockey you're trying to build, and you end up with... well, the Red Wings. Or the Blackhawks.

[SumAznGuy]

Drafting is a crap shoot. There are 30 teams, and on each team there is space on the bench for 20 players on any given night. That means there is room for 600 active players, no including the healthy scratches and injured players.
Every year, there are over 200 players drafted and of those players drafted, only a few will ever make it to the NHL let alone become a susperstar.
Here's an interesting read on it.
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/pro...ft_success.htm

To highlight Detroits drafting skills, well Zetteberg is just one example of a late round blooming to an all-star, but if you break it down and look deeper into it, Detroit passed on him three times before he was drafted in the 7th round.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit...aft_picks#1999

[hotjoint]

^ look at datsyuk too

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by hotjoint

^ look at datsyuk too

He was a 6th round pick of the 1998 draft. In that year, Detroit picked 7 players ahead of him.
Of those 7 players, Jiri Fischer played 305 games before retiring after a seizure in the 05-06 season.
Their second round pick, Ryan Barnes, only played 2 games in the NHL.

[Hondaracer]

Detroit is more about de elopment than drafting really

[MR_BIGGS]

Drafting is a crap shoot - I've heard that before as well..other than the top ranked prospects sometimes a lot of luck is involved...with that being said - and from voicing what others have said - the players who enter the Wings franchise enter a system and are developed into that system....

The Wings have it right....but not every team that is successful has done it that way..

You look at the up and coming and current teams that are good

Pens
Caps
Hawks

up and comers
Blues
Kings


These teams have been terrrible for sooooooooooo long they have been able to get those really good players on entry contracts and thats how they are or will be abler to go out and sign the big name players...

I believe in Gillis' plan....fans just gotta be patient..

[InvisibleSoul]

Originally Posted by cctw

i wanna see a pittsburgh detroit final and pittsburgh winning so hossa will cry..

That would actually be quite funny.