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hi5-ive · 07-30-2008, 04:04 PM

Red wings sign Filppula to 5 years / 15 M .

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 04:09 PM

^i saw that on snet... then i realized/remembered that we signed him to an offersheet, didnt we?

AzNightmare · 07-30-2008, 04:17 PM

well, to defend Sundin... he did say he doesn't even know if he is planning to play anymore in NHL... so even a 10million offer is irrelavant at that point.

Then again, 10 million alone should be able to pull players out of retirement.
Embarrassing as it is, Gillis is quite desparate, and so are the Canucks.
If this deal pulls through, and Sundin manages to captain canucks to 3rd round, Gillis' is gonna look like a genious.

Vermette and Afinogenov would give better offense, for the exchange of leadership. Sounds interesting.

Noir · 07-30-2008, 04:41 PM

For 10 million, is there anyone else better than around other than this asshole? Someone that wants to play hockey.

bossxx · 07-30-2008, 04:44 PM

Vermette and Afinogenov would be a better move IMO.. im done this what if shit though, Sundin is so friggin' annoying.

And in regards to the travel schedule, i'm pretty sure that is the last variable on Sundin's mind.

amplified · 07-30-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by murd0c

now that would be fricken sweet if we got Afinogenov. We need a goal scoreing Russian here!!!

while he skates like Bure, he doesnt finish like him. heck i dont even think he's reached the 25 goal plateau in his career. even though bure had wonky knees he was at least more durable than this guy. at least when bure got hit he got mad and made you pay with goals or flying elbows lol. afinogenov gets scared and disappears. he wouldnt survive out west.

stuff99 · 07-30-2008, 04:54 PM

vermette afinogenov

but what would we have to give up

might as well sign shanny and we're set

iwantaskyline · 07-30-2008, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare

well, to defend Sundin... he did say he doesn't even know if he is planning to play anymore in NHL... so even a 10million offer is irrelavant at that point.

Then again, 10 million alone should be able to pull players out of retirement.
Embarrassing as it is, Gillis is quite desparate, and so are the Canucks.
If this deal pulls through, and Sundin manages to captain canucks to 3rd round, Gillis' is gonna look like a genious.

Vermette and Afinogenov would give better offense, for the exchange of leadership. Sounds interesting.

Leadership is overrated. Doesn't anyone remember the years when Sundin was outscored by Roberts and Mogilny on the Laffs? He isn't elite, never was.

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:01 PM

jp barry (i'm paraphrasing): six teams are ready and willing to make a move for sundin at this point (today).

montreal
toronto
vancouver
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wouldn't say who else, but he did say NYR would be willing to move some players to get him.

Hondaracer · 07-30-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by the_rickster

i feel like gillis is embarassing himself by keeping the offer on the table this long and making the canucks look desperate for a date.

kind of like some desperate highschool dude with a lot of money who offers the hottest chick in the grade a totally awesome, princess style grad experience that she wouldn't get anywhere else, then she says "i'll get back to you..." and doesn't until the day before the party.

wtf is there to lose? drop the offer so we can pick up some players who are going to be over-paied and bring nothing but personal talent to the table?

i'm willing to wait until training camp for Sundin, and if he doesnt sign then so be it and we'll move forward with what we have

dumping the sundin offer and going after other players would imo make Gillis look like he is scared and wants to please the fans, not put a quality product on the ice for years to come.

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:03 PM

he also said that there's a zero percent chance that the sedins would never split up and play for different teams.

RiceIntegraRS · 07-30-2008, 05:08 PM

^really? omg where did u hear that from? i dont believe it

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

wtf is there to lose?

respect.

drop the offer and commit to making a trade and improving your team when the opportunity knocks. what if darcy regier (gm, sabres) and bryan murray (gm, sens) are serious and ready to make moves with gillis... but gillis is waiting for other opps? those two guys are gonna be like "fuck, whatever" and move on. the more deals you do and more conversations you have with other gms, the better relationships you build. our gm used to be an agent, he has zero experience and thus needs to prove himself on a new level.

what happens next season when we have twelve unrestricted free agents and they all see that gillis' offer will stand for the summer... they wait. throw a huge offer on the table like that, and expect some respect. if i was aquilini i'd be calling the fucker a pushover right now.

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

^really? omg where did u hear that from? i dont believe it

he just said it on pratt and taylor. they asked him what the chances are of the twins ever splitting up and playing for different teams. he said "zero" then went on to explain how they deal with contracts and that they require them to be built so that they always play on the same team, with regards to details, money, terms etc.

RiceIntegraRS · 07-30-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by the_rickster

he just said it on pratt and taylor. they asked him what the chances are of the twins ever splitting up and playing for different teams. he said "zero" then went on to explain how they deal with contracts and that they require them to be built so that they always play on the same team, with regards to details, money, terms etc.

i guess u didnt get the sarcasm in my post, i think everyone with half a brain knows that the Sedins wont play without each other on the same team.

nsmb · 07-30-2008, 05:14 PM

imagine if sundin got offered 21 million by another team and took it LOL

RiceIntegraRS · 07-30-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by the_rickster

respect.

drop the offer and commit to making a trade and improving your team when the opportunity knocks. what if darcy regier (gm, sabres) and bryan murray (gm, sens) are serious and ready to make moves with gillis... but gillis is waiting for other opps? those two guys are gonna be like "fuck, whatever" and move on. the more deals you do and more conversations you have with other gms, the better relationships you build. our gm used to be an agent, he has zero experience and thus needs to prove himself on a new level.

what happens next season when we have twelve unrestricted free agents and they all see that gillis' offer will stand for the summer... they wait. throw a huge offer on the table like that, and expect some respect. if i was aquilini i'd be calling the fucker a pushover right now.

Regier and Murray arent gonna say "fuck, whatever" Fuck repect, dignity, and watever words ur gonna use. This is business, and they'll do watever they can to win. If they know theres a better deal with the Nucks than anywhere else, they'll wait. Its like saying, i signed Martin Lapointe cause i didnt wanna wait 10 days for Ovechkin to make a desicion. Gillis is gonna offer me 2 1st rounders for Kovalchuk but he said id have to wait 2 weeks, so i traded him to Anahiem cause they offered me 1 1st rounder now!

The thing is, u think Gillis is on his knees praying to god that Sundin signs, and when hes not on his knees, hes just twiddleling his thumbs waiting till Aug. 1st. But the thing is, and its basically common knowledge, that he has backup plans and hes talkin to other Gm's for the What If scenarios were to occur.

CRS · 07-30-2008, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

Leadership is overrated. Doesn't anyone remember the years when Sundin was outscored by Roberts and Mogilny on the Laffs? He isn't elite, never was.

This is why you are ignored and are never even invited to an internet conversation.

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

i guess u didnt get the sarcasm in my post, i think everyone with half a brain knows that the Sedins wont play without each other on the same team.

this is the internet. sarcasm can easily go undetected. especially when you don't provide any kind of indication.

obviously people think there's a chance, or the question would never have been asked.

AzNightmare · 07-30-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the_rickster

respect.

drop the offer and commit to making a trade and improving your team when the opportunity knocks. what if darcy regier (gm, sabres) and bryan murray (gm, sens) are serious and ready to make moves with gillis... but gillis is waiting for other opps? those two guys are gonna be like "fuck, whatever" and move on. the more deals you do and more conversations you have with other gms, the better relationships you build. our gm used to be an agent, he has zero experience and thus needs to prove himself on a new level.

what happens next season when we have twelve unrestricted free agents and they all see that gillis' offer will stand for the summer... they wait. throw a huge offer on the table like that, and expect some respect. if i was aquilini i'd be calling the fucker a pushover right now.

That's one way of looking at it, or you can say Gillis has a strategy, and he's sticking to it regardless of media pressure.
You never know if Gillis has a backup plan if he loses Sundin. He could have one but just not revealed to media or public because it could potentially effect the chances of Sundin coming to Vancouver.

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This is why you are ignored and are never even invited to an internet conversation.

lol, that's very mean.

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 05:44 PM

riiight, the all your eggs in one basket strategy... [sarc]it always works.[/sarc]

riceintegra... did you see what i did there?

AzNightmare · 07-30-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by the_rickster

riiight, the all your eggs in one basket strategy... [sarc]it always works.[/sarc]

What has Gillis lost in waiting for a player like Sundin? This isn't your average joe player.

If Sundin decides not to play for Vancouver, there is still options available.

Okay, rickster, if you were GM, who would you have picked up?

the_rickster · 07-30-2008, 06:25 PM

i dont know what gillis has lost. seriously, who knows? no one does. how many teams are looking to shop players that havent called vancouver because they think they have no interest because the remainder of their cap space is on hold for sundin. why waste a phone call, right? why try to make a deal with someone who, as i put it earlier, has put all their eggs in one basket?

you're right, there are still a ton of options, but every day we wait, those doors close.

dont get me wrong, i think gillis made a point by offering sundin serious cash (as i stated earlier, i was kind of weary with a $10m offer on a 37 year old, but i seperated myself from the money and i will appreciate the deal if it all works out) being aggressive is a good way to make your mark and show that your serious, but i definitely would have thrown down a deadline. i wont get into the details of the moves i'd make because it goes deeper than that as a gm... but i will tell you that if i, as a gm, am going to offer contracts like that to impact players, i'd be throwing in some conditions, especially with regards to timing.

quasi · 07-30-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

Leadership is overrated. Doesn't anyone remember the years when Sundin was outscored by Roberts and Mogilny on the Laffs? He isn't elite, never was.

Mogilny as in Alexander Mogilny the guy who scored 76 goals in one season? Using your logic Crosby, St. Louis and Zetterberg are all bums and not elite since they were outscored by Malkin, LeCalvier and Datsyuk respectively.

Hondaracer · 07-30-2008, 06:57 PM

^ why would teams have no interest in dealing with the canucks because of the offer? that makes no sense.. A team, as cliche as it sounds will always be looking to make a trade if it makes themselves better, also teams can be what? 10% over the cap right up until the training camp?

so why would any other GM be scared to deal with the canucks? even with Sundin signing there is still a small portion of cap space available, so if Gillis actually wanted to make a move im sure he wouldnt hesitate to pull the trigger and be over the cap rather then hesitate and worry about the financials, thats what waivers and aqualini's pockets are for.

as i've said before, as it stands now i think Gillis is one step away from Brilliance as his softmore year as a GM, if it does turn out that Sundin comes, i cant see a single educated fan not give him an A+ in terms of effort and rebuilding, regardless of performance on the ice.