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Soundy · 09-13-2008, 01:02 PM

Balanced attack FTW!

RRxtar · 09-13-2008, 02:32 PM

Kesler and Burrows will stay 3rd liners, not because they get easier defencement to go against, but because they are our shutdown forward line which goes against the TOP line.

just because you arent on the first line, doesnt make you less important. Kris Draper has been one of the most important players in Detroit forever.

trip · 09-13-2008, 02:49 PM

its called checking line for a reason

6thGear. · 09-13-2008, 07:09 PM

oh man. look what i've started...haha. kesler has always been the goal scorer his whole career. your role changes once you hit the nhl. he simply just added another skill to his resume. even if he can be a top 6 forward, at the moment he's excelling from his checking role. he's turning into an all around player, imo, what a good hockey player should be. if he plays his cards right, he'll have a very good career.

btw..........keslers the next captain!!!!!

Ch28 · 09-13-2008, 07:30 PM

Mitchell would get it way before Kesler

Hondaracer · 09-13-2008, 07:48 PM

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oh man. look what i've started...haha. kesler has always been the goal scorer his whole career. your role changes once you hit the nhl. he simply just added another skill to his resume. even if he can be a top 6 forward, at the moment he's excelling from his checking role. he's turning into an all around player, imo, what a good hockey player should be. if he plays his cards right, he'll have a very good career.

agreed.

10charr

6thGear. · 09-13-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ch28

Mitchell would get it way before Kesler

i was being sarcastic

mickz · 09-13-2008, 11:20 PM

Some people on here seem to believe Jovanovski left Vancouver strictly for the money. However when his contract expired, Vancouver never bothered to even make him an offer.

He won a gold medal in 2002 on a team selected by Gretzky. Of course Jovanovski will be loyal and will play for Wayne.

Anyways for some merchandise news; the Vancouver Canucks will be releasing a WHITE Skate logo jersey (replica only, no authentics just like the black one last year) sometime in November. It'll be exclusive to the Canucks Team Store.

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 02:35 AM

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after one season? where the fuck have u been bro, they've both been in the line up since 05, and have always had a roll on this team which has been upped every season, not only in responability but ice time and roll.

Clearly you dont even understand the phrase "core player" to many Cooke would have been considered a part of the core, and he was a much lesser player then the likes of burrows and kes.

Linden not a core player? are u KIDDING ME?! you sound like your basing your entire opinion on stats and nothing else like i said in the previous message Core is a way more then on ice performance, and if you think players like ohlund or edler have more important rolls then kes or bur your kidding yourself imo.

As for Kesler not being a top liner, have you guys not noticed he's the only one on this team that can actually skate? you do realize that both Datsuyk and Zetterberg were picked in the late hundreds? he has the ability to become a 2nd line center at the least imo, he can skate, shoot, and stickhandle better then most on our team and is still very young and very capable of progressing over the next few seasons.

What the fuck does Datyuk and Z gotta do with kes and burr. D and Z are in a league of their own. Don't even include them in a sentence with kesler and burrows.

How the hell was Linden part of the core? I think you need someone to explain to you what a core player is. Being a CORE player means you are the center of the team. You are what the GM builds around. I did say Kesler is part of the core but burrows is a career 3rd/4th liner. He's good at what he does and thats it. Kesler is a career 3rd line checking center men. He doesn't have the vision or finesse to be a second liner. Linden missed over 20 games due to being scratched, his role was very limited the last few years.

!Nhan · 09-14-2008, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mickz

Anyways for some merchandise news; the Vancouver Canucks will be releasing a WHITE Skate logo jersey (replica only, no authentics just like the black one last year) sometime in November. It'll be exclusive to the Canucks Team Store.

you mean the white skate logo jersey and in the one worn back in the early/mid 90's?

Ronin · 09-14-2008, 04:10 AM

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How the hell was Linden part of the core? I think you need someone to explain to you what a core player is. Being a CORE player means you are the center of the team. You are what the GM builds around. I did say Kesler is part of the core but burrows is a career 3rd/4th liner. He's good at what he does and thats it. Kesler is a career 3rd line checking center men. He doesn't have the vision or finesse to be a second liner. Linden missed over 20 games due to being scratched, his role was very limited the last few years.

I'd bet any amount of money that if you talk to ANY of last year's roster, they'll tell you exactly who the real leader of the team was last year.

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 06:14 AM

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I'd bet any amount of money that if you talk to ANY of last year's roster, they'll tell you exactly who the real leader of the team was last year.

Oh really? So you know this 100% sure? We got very far last year right? Don't make a stupid statement when you can't back it up.

trancehead · 09-14-2008, 08:54 AM

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What the fuck does Datyuk and Z gotta do with kes and burr. D and Z are in a league of their own. Don't even include them in a sentence with kesler and burrows.

easy Pavel and Henrik are not only offensively gifted but are also great checkers. Kesler already has great checking skills and will hopefully develop into these type of complete players

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 09:15 AM

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easy Pavel and Henrik are not only offensively gifted but are also great checkers. Kesler already has great checking skills and will hopefully develop into these type of complete players

You're out of your fucking mind. Pavel is leagues ahead. Kesler's ceiling is Rob Brind'Amour and that's being very optimistic. Henrik is comparable to Gomez.

Hondaracer · 09-14-2008, 12:42 PM

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You're out of your fucking mind. Pavel is leagues ahead. Kesler's ceiling is Rob Brind'Amour and that's being very optimistic. Henrik is comparable to Gomez.

how the hell can u definitively say one or the other? I brought up the whole point of both dats and zet being drafted so late to illustrate the point that even late draft picks can eventually turn into gems

Keslers playoff numbers are already better then 3/4 of datsuyks playoff career, he went somthing like 46 games with only 3 goals..

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

how the hell can u definitively say one or the other? I brought up the whole point of both dats and zet being drafted so late to illustrate the point that even late draft picks can eventually turn into gems

Keslers playoff numbers are already better then 3/4 of datsuyks playoff career, he went somthing like 46 games with only 3 goals..

Kesler is not going to turn into Dats or Z, you can be sure of it. He was also a first round pick. So what are you trying to say by saying Kesler had better playoff numbers before Dats playoff run last season? Datsyuk is a superstar and Kesler will never be a star in the NHL. Dats is the most complete player along with Z. Selke trophy while putting up star offensive numbers. Don't compare Kesler to him.

Datsuyk playoff carreer stats --> 54 pts in 82 games
Kesler's --> a big fat ZERO

You lose.

Hondaracer · 09-14-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

Kesler is not going to turn into Dats or Z, you can be sure of it. He was also a first round pick. So what are you trying to say by saying Kesler had better playoff numbers before Dats playoff run last season? Datsyuk is a superstar and Kesler will never be a star in the NHL. Dats is the most complete player along with Z. Selke trophy while putting up star offensive numbers. Don't compare Kesler to him.

Datsuyk playoff carreer stats --> 54 pts in 82 games
Kesler's --> a big fat ZERO

You lose.

your a fucking MORON! you act like they were destined to be great when they were drafted in the late HUNDREDS! are you kidding me?

so players that come out of no where and become great on an already great team is normal, yet expecting a first round draft pick to turn into a good second/first liner is unrealisitc?

i dont see where your logic is coming from, of course in hindsight looking at players who develop from nothing into somthing you can always say they were destined for greatness they had the skillset etc.

imo you seem to know more about other teams then the team being discussed within this thread, your definition of a "core" player is way off imo and I could spend hours showing prime examples of players who meant everything to their team while being off the radar or players who u wouldnt consider building a team around persay, but in alot of ways those players are the strongest links of a team, but in alot of ignorant fans eyes, they are expendable at any price.

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

your a fucking MORON! you act like they were destined to be great when they were drafted in the late HUNDREDS! are you kidding me?

so players that come out of no where and become great on an already great team is normal, yet expecting a first round draft pick to turn into a good second/first liner is unrealisitc?

i dont see where your logic is coming from, of course in hindsight looking at players who develop from nothing into somthing you can always say they were destined for greatness they had the skillset etc.

imo you seem to know more about other teams then the team being discussed within this thread, your definition of a "core" player is way off imo and I could spend hours showing prime examples of players who meant everything to their team while being off the radar or players who u wouldnt consider building a team around persay, but in alot of ways those players are the strongest links of a team, but in alot of ignorant fans eyes, they are expendable at any price.

Wow. I've seen all 3 players play since the start of their careers. You can tell right away what their ceiling for potential can be. I mean there are rare cases but not too many. Look at Datsuyk's and Z's first couple years and compare to Kesler's. All I'm saying is they are players in a league of their own and to expect something great out of Kesler is absurd. Watching him play, if you know something about hockey, you should be able to see his ceiling. I don't care how late they were drafted. But if u must know they were drafted late due to their size, it was never about their skill level. They were both hyped to be pretty good players when they first emerged in Detroit, but now they are superstars. So don't make statements like Kesler had more points then Datsuyk in the playoffs when he has never registered a point.

I know the Canucks roster pretty well. I just didn't agree people saying Burrows is a core player. Canucks could lose him and you won't notice a thing in the standings.

murd0c · 09-14-2008, 02:53 PM

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Wow. I've seen all 3 players play since the start of their careers. You can tell right away what their ceiling for potential can be. I mean there are rare cases but not too many. Look at Datsuyk's and Z's first couple years and compare to Kesler's. All I'm saying is they are players in a league of their own and to expect something great out of Kesler is absurd. Watching him play, if you know something about hockey, you should be able to see his ceiling. I don't care how late they were drafted. But if u must know they were drafted late due to their size, it was never about their skill level. They were both hyped to be pretty good players when they first emerged in Detroit, but now they are superstars. So don't make statements like Kesler had more points then Datsuyk in the playoffs when he has never registered a point.

I know the Canucks roster pretty well. I just didn't agree people saying Burrows is a core player. Canucks could lose him and you won't notice a thing in the standings.

Some of the most reasonable comments I have heard in the past bit here.

trdees · 09-14-2008, 02:53 PM

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Oh really? So you know this 100% sure? We got very far last year right? Don't make a stupid statement when you can't back it up.

ur a fucken IDIOT u should be banned from the canucks thread.

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 03:00 PM

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ur a fucken IDIOT u should be banned from the canucks thread.

Because I post facts and know a thing or two about hockey?

carisear · 09-14-2008, 03:08 PM

... apperently you know alot more about hockey than every scout/gm in the nhl. you can tell a 1st round player will never be as good as a late-round player.

iwantaskyline · 09-14-2008, 03:32 PM

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... apperently you know alot more about hockey than every scout/gm in the nhl. you can tell a 1st round player will never be as good as a late-round player.

I never said anything about D and Z being for sure superstars. I really don't want to repeat what i said in my previous posts but I'll say it again. You can tell what a players ceiling is by watching them play. It's whats scouts do when they scout a player. Kesler was picked as a safe pick who could step into the NHL right away and become a checker. Back when Datsuyk and Zetterberg were picked they were tiny. No one could see them suceed in the NHL because that was before the rule changes. Plus they grew a few inches after being drafted. I guarantee you if Zetterberg was still eligible to be drafted in 00-01 where he got 46 points in 47 games in the SEL he would be a 1st rounder. Detroit has very good european scouts who notice players that even though physically they don't look capable of the NHL they have the skill and with proper development they can be great.

trdees · 09-14-2008, 03:55 PM

if you were so great at scouting why arent you a scout? You said that watching D and Z at there first games u can totally tell their superstars and Kesler is not

SumAznGuy · 09-14-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

You can tell what a players ceiling is by watching them play. It's whats scouts do when they scout a player. Kesler was picked as a safe pick who could step into the NHL right away and become a checker.

That sounds about right. Canuck's wasting a first round pick for a checker instead of a goal scorer.