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winson604 01-12-2009 10:38 PM

Investment Allocation Opinion
 
So got a new job and we gotta contribute to the VESP - Vancouver Employees Savings Plan. We get to allocate our money to EGF Fund, Equity Fund, Income Fund, and Savings Fund. Of course you can do 100% all into one or 25% in each or whatever you want. I`m a complete noob when it comes to this stuff and was just wondering if anybody who has knowledge in this would give their opinion on what`s best?

wouwou 01-13-2009 08:15 AM

how old are you?

I joined when I was 24, so 100% equity fund

winson604 01-13-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wouwou (Post 6221277)
how old are you?

I joined when I was 24, so 100% equity fund

I'm 26 turning 27 this year. So as you already know I don't know shiet all about this stuff. Anybody mind sharing their opinion on the pros and cons of each?

wouwou 01-14-2009 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 6221984)
I'm 26 turning 27 this year. So as you already know I don't know shiet all about this stuff. Anybody mind sharing their opinion on the pros and cons of each?

the main difference between the 4 are the risk factor. usually money market funds has very low risk, but also very low return, with equity on the other end of the stick. Risk and return are the pros and cons, it's that simple with RSP.

I went with equity because being 24, even if I lose EVERY THING in the rsp account my loss is limited, and I have time to catch up, while at the mean time the growth potential is the biggest since I am starting early.

Your enrollment package should have detail descriptions on the 4 funds, their composition, annual returns and risk levels. Sit down and think where do you want to be in 2/5/7 years and how much can you afford to lose.

The package should also have a brief risk acceptance test included as well.

IMO the market has tanked so much, equity funds have seem the majority of withdrawals so it is probably a good time to enter right now. The stock market generally has a 7 year cycle of up and downs, so keep that in mind and switch when things get too hot.

winson604 01-14-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wouwou (Post 6223814)
the main difference between the 4 are the risk factor. usually money market funds has very low risk, but also very low return, with equity on the other end of the stick. Risk and return are the pros and cons, it's that simple with RSP.

I went with equity because being 24, even if I lose EVERY THING in the rsp account my loss is limited, and I have time to catch up, while at the mean time the growth potential is the biggest since I am starting early.

Your enrollment package should have detail descriptions on the 4 funds, their composition, annual returns and risk levels. Sit down and think where do you want to be in 2/5/7 years and how much can you afford to lose.

The package should also have a brief risk acceptance test included as well.

IMO the market has tanked so much, equity funds have seem the majority of withdrawals so it is probably a good time to enter right now. The stock market generally has a 7 year cycle of up and downs, so keep that in mind and switch when things get too hot.

Yea we just got the descriptions today. Thanks for the info dude. I`ll definitely look into it and make a decision from there. Thanks again!

10051981 01-14-2009 04:48 PM

I remember with my company when I first started at 24 i chose investment options that were riskier with higher return, when things started to go south recently, i shifted out and moved it into safer money market funds with lower return but virtually no risk.

Remember that you can/should be able to allocate and change funds as you see fit. when markets are doing better take out of safer options and adjust accordingly and vice versa

wouwou 01-14-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 6224227)
Yea we just got the descriptions today. Thanks for the info dude. I`ll definitely look into it and make a decision from there. Thanks again!

no problem. you are at a GREAT time to get into equity. The market will recover with a year or two, so buying bi-weekly into equity will get you good bargains

winson604 01-14-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wouwou (Post 6224290)
no problem. you are at a GREAT time to get into equity. The market will recover with a year or two, so buying bi-weekly into equity will get you good bargains

Although I don't know shiet it makes sense to me lol. Thanks again!

Blinky 01-15-2009 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by winson604 (Post 6225154)
Although I don't know shiet it makes sense to me lol. Thanks again!

Take time to learn about this stuff. Read up on stuff like asset-allocation strategy and get familiar with the sorts of things that matter, like your risk tolerance, investment goals and investment horizon.

Example site:
http://www.fool.com/investing/basics/index.aspx

You probably spend some time researching and scoping out deals on your cel phone/plan, shiny new home theater system.

Do yourself a favour. It's your retirement/future slush fund so give it the attention that it deserves.

winson604 01-16-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Blinky (Post 6225776)

Do yourself a favour. It's your retirement/future slush fund so give it the attention that it deserves.

I totally agree. Thanks!

Speed2K 01-17-2009 10:47 AM

It's difficult to determine what to invest in based on the name of the fund being invested into. For example, EGF Fund, tells me nothing. For other people to give opinions more info would definitely be needed. Keep in mind that even "Income" funds might have equity components in them. g/l

wouwou 01-17-2009 10:38 PM

^the enrollment package will have a breakdown of all the funds available for a RSP package, their holdings, performances, and risks

tiger_handheld 01-17-2009 10:50 PM

Lets say your 65 tomorrow , and you've been giving me money for the last 38 years to make it multiply. and over the years you've given me about 94k and i've made it grow to about 123k. But you come to me tomorrow and you say, Tiger I want my 123K now. and i say Mr.Winson here is 54K ,and ill give you the other bit in couple of years?

deal?

answer that questions honestly and you'll know your risk level. and how much to allocate into each fund.

johny 01-18-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 6230379)
Lets say your 65 tomorrow , and you've been giving me money for the last 38 years to make it multiply. and over the years you've given me about 94k and i've made it grow to about 123k. But you come to me tomorrow and you say, Tiger I want my 123K now. and i say Mr.Winson here is 54K ,and ill give you the other bit in couple of years?

deal?

answer that questions honestly and you'll know your risk level. and how much to allocate into each fund.


I'd say the guy is a dumb ass for pulling 123k outa his RRSP at once. tax rapped.

I'd also say the guy is fucked either way if he retires off 54k or 123k. you need like 1.5 mill at 65.

tiger_handheld 01-18-2009 08:14 PM

theres no way in hell you can have 1.5mil at 65 ... unless u make 6fig salary all ur life ...
or a dual income family with 1 pay or most of 1pay going straight to retirement

johny 01-18-2009 10:27 PM

that's why lots of people will be working past 65 in the future!

there is no way you could retire off 100k.

misteranswer 01-18-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 6231783)
theres no way in hell you can have 1.5mil at 65 ... unless u make 6fig salary all ur life ...
or a dual income family with 1 pay or most of 1pay going straight to retirement

It is possible. However, given that we are a culture based on consumerism, most of you probably will not have the will power to save that much, believing that you would have a low standard of living if otherwise.

johny 01-22-2009 08:59 PM

I have no idea what VESP is, but I just got the 2008 report from my system.

income fund +3.4%
balanced -17%
equity -31%

mine's all in equity.... but that's where it'll stay. it's got another 30+ years to recover. it'll be moved down in risk as I get closer to retiring.


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