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01-29-2009, 10:40 AM
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2.0L is not enough, no matter what kind of turbo you put on it, 2,0L will have no NO TORQUE.
There is no replacement for displacement.
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01-29-2009, 11:09 AM
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#52 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
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Mitsubishi 4G63T best 2.0L Turbo, Honda K20A (FD2 Spec) best 2.0L N/A
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01-29-2009, 11:25 AM
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K20!!
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01-29-2009, 11:37 AM
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#54 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor  2.0L is not enough, no matter what kind of turbo you put on it, 2,0L will have no NO TORQUE.
There is no replacement for displacement. | Are you sure about all 2.0L turbo engines have NO torque?
e.g. A stock 2009 2.0L JDM WRX STi has 311lb-ft of torque all the way at 4400rpm.
That's not bad... more than some BMW E92 M3 with the V8 Engine ( 295lb-ft @ 3900rpm )...
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01-29-2009, 12:00 PM
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#55 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor 2.0L is not enough, no matter what kind of turbo you put on it, 2,0L will have no NO TORQUE.
There is no replacement for displacement. | Tell that to the VW/Audi 2.0T engines. They have immense torque plateaus from 1800-5000RPM, putting out most of their 200+ lb/ft output all throughout that range.
Their newest 2.0TFSI in the A5, EA888, has this output - 155 kW (211 PS; 208 hp) from 4,300 to 6,000 rpm, 350 N·m (260 ft·lbf) from 1,500 to 4,200rpm. That's a lot of torque from a tiny engine.
EDIT: And both the WRX STi and the Evo X put out 300+ lb/ft at ~4400RPM... out of a 2l engine.
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01-29-2009, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by roastpuff Tell that to the VW/Audi 2.0T engines. They have immense torque plateaus from 1800-5000RPM, putting out most of their 200+ lb/ft output all throughout that range.
Their newest 2.0TFSI in the A5, EA888, has this output - 155 kW (211 PS; 208 hp) from 4,300 to 6,000 rpm, 350 N·m (260 ft·lbf) from 1,500 to 4,200rpm. That's a lot of torque from a tiny engine.
EDIT: And both the WRX STi and the Evo X put out 300+ lb/ft at ~4400RPM... out of a 2l engine. | it really doesnt matter, u dont see a STI getting owned off the line by a GTi whether its peak torque from 2000-5000rpm or at 44,000rpm
just like s2k, sure it redlines at 9000rpm, but it doesnt mean off the line within its class its getting smoked than plays catch up later
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01-29-2009, 02:14 PM
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#57 | | I am on the internets
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lol what ^
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01-29-2009, 03:34 PM
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#58 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN it really doesnt matter, u dont see a STI getting owned off the line by a GTi whether its peak torque from 2000-5000rpm or at 44,000rpm
just like s2k, sure it redlines at 9000rpm, but it doesnt mean off the line within its class its getting smoked than plays catch up later
on a sidenote, k20 bitches | I think you are a bit off topic... we are discussing about the best ENGINE, not the best CAR with a 2.0L engine.
Yes. F20 or F22 with a light weight body could be quick, but this thread is not about a light weight car or anything -_-
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01-29-2009, 09:20 PM
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#59 | | Willing to sell body for a few minutes on RS
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id have to say 3sgte
is king
here just one exsample http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wB2hVXchxCk 777hp 515 turq
800hp http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=uHYjQkFfwZc http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vrR4TC...eature=related http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=L6mcj_...eature=related
i can't find the 899 one oh well
this was one of toyata finest motor's they have ever built cause it chould take any thing cause of the cast iron block witch no one in this class has
only down fall was it weight but peoepl have hit over 1000 plus with this motor and you chould stroke it pretty big as well 2.4 or was it 6 what ever ? and still rev to 9000 to 10000
and the tom castrol tom's supra never used the 2jz they used the 3sgte
i may be toyota nut but all the rest just don't amonte to the power that it can push
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01-29-2009, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor 2.0L is not enough, no matter what kind of turbo you put on it, 2,0L will have no NO TORQUE.
There is no replacement for displacement. | LOL 
seriously, people still use this phrase....??
It's not 1998 anymore, there are plenty of turbocharged 2.0 engines with higher torque outputs then big displacement V8's out there
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01-29-2009, 11:42 PM
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#61 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by E N D L E S S LOL
seriously, people still use this phrase....??
It's not 1998 anymore, there are plenty of turbocharged 2.0 engines with higher torque outputs then big displacement V8's out there | It's not how much torque, it's where it is and you just can't get it down low with a small displacement motor. I found my 2.2L non turbo MR2 a lot easier to drive around town than my 2.0L turbo. Even tho it had a lot less peak torque than the turbo, it was down low where it's more useful around town.
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01-29-2009, 11:51 PM
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#62 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by NashMan this was one of toyata finest motor's they have ever built cause it chould take any thing cause of the cast iron block witch no one in this class has
only down fall was it weight but peoepl have hit over 1000 plus with this motor and you chould stroke it pretty big as well 2.4 or was it 6 what ever ? and still rev to 9000 to 10000
and the tom castrol tom's supra never used the 2jz they used the 3sgte
i may be toyota nut but all the rest just don't amonte to the power that it can push | Toyota? I'm pretty sure my 3SGTE says Yamaha on the side 
A lot of the racing Supra's opted for the 3SGTE because it was lighter and smaller. The cars were in races where the HP was limited to 300 and 500hp. You can get that out of a 3SGTE easily so why use the bigger heavier 2JZ? It was also shorter which meant it can be put behind the front wheels effectively making the car mid engined.
If anyone's ever wondered why so many 2JZ parts fit in the 3S, it's cuz it's pretty much just a 3S with 2 extra cylinders.
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01-30-2009, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon It's not how much torque, it's where it is and you just can't get it down low with a small displacement motor. I found my 2.2L non turbo MR2 a lot easier to drive around town than my 2.0L turbo. Even tho it had a lot less peak torque than the turbo, it was down low where it's more useful around town. | I guess you missed the discussion a few posts above about the Audi 2.0T. 258 lb/ft of torque at 1,500 RPM. I checked three Audi sites to confirm because I though it was 1,800 RPM, but it's listed as 1,500-4,200 RPM.
I've driven a lot of turbo cars, and most of them will not develop any boost below 2,000 RPM, let alone develop enough boost at 1,500 RPM to produce that much torque.
The old sayings "no replacement for displacement", "small motors can't develop torque down low" and "you can't build boost at low RPM's" have all been shattered.
The old GM Ecotec was 2.2L so I guess we can't bring it up. Isn't it the world champion and record holder for 1/4 mile drag racing? And didn't they get up to 1,400HP from that engine?
I wonder what NashMan has to say about that? 1,400 HP Ecotec kinda makes your 800HP 3SGTE look weak.
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01-30-2009, 07:52 AM
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#64 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon It's not how much torque, it's where it is and you just can't get it down low with a small displacement motor. I found my 2.2L non turbo MR2 a lot easier to drive around town than my 2.0L turbo. Even tho it had a lot less peak torque than the turbo, it was down low where it's more useful around town. | That's because it's an old turbo motor, with peaks and troughs. You oughta try the new turbo motors coming from the German automakers. Quote:
Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee I guess you missed the discussion a few posts above about the Audi 2.0T. 258 lb/ft of torque at 1,500 RPM. I checked three Audi sites to confirm because I though it was 1,800 RPM, but it's listed as 1,500-4,200 RPM.
I've driven a lot of turbo cars, and most of them will not develop any boost below 2,000 RPM, let alone develop enough boost at 1,500 RPM to produce that much torque.
The old sayings "no replacement for displacement", "small motors can't develop torque down low" and "you can't build boost at low RPM's" have all been shattered. | I've driven the new A4 2.0 TFSI (friend's), and I have to say that the engine is incredible around town. So much passing power down low... especially when combined with the Quattro system. It's just an incredible rush of torque that pulls the car along.
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01-30-2009, 08:05 AM
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#65 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon It's not how much torque, it's where it is and you just can't get it down low with a small displacement motor. I found my 2.2L non turbo MR2 a lot easier to drive around town than my 2.0L turbo. Even tho it had a lot less peak torque than the turbo, it was down low where it's more useful around town. | Check out Audi's and VW's 2.0T FSI, they have such a wide torque band. 1500rpm -4k rpm and then peak power come at 6k. Because the 2.0L turbo is old design??
Seriously, I found my 2.5L turbo very easy to drive., and beaten a Mustang GT somewhere as well
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01-30-2009, 11:40 AM
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well to asnwer 1400 there most likly is i know there more then one 4cyc out there that does that but thus are justa bout one race wounders just about
toyota and yamaha hadparter ship between the 2 yamaha made the head toyota made the block as well as other toyota motors
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01-30-2009, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee I wonder what NashMan has to say about that? 1,400 HP Ecotec kinda makes your 800HP 3SGTE look weak. | Umm...The Ecotec was developed a lot later on and has a lot more technological enhancements. Why are you comparing it to a motor built in the late 80s? And Titan Motorsports and many other tuners out there have pushed the 3S-GTE far beyond 1200hp so...way to compare apples to oranges. 
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01-30-2009, 12:29 PM
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While the VW 2.0T is a nice motor and all, 1500rpm isn't what I would consider to be low end torque. Low end is like idle+ and you can't get that without displacement or a supercharger.
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01-30-2009, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon While the VW 2.0T is a nice motor and all, 1500rpm isn't what I would consider to be low end torque. Low end is like idle+ and you can't get that without displacement or a supercharger. |
1500rpm is NOT LOW END TORQUE?? Do you usually drive a heavy Diesal or something? Most car idle at around 0.8-0.9k rpm...you can't get max torque any lower than 1500rpm, or else it would be a waste.
Most N/A V8 CANNOT get max Torque at 1500rpm and kept the torque output level at the max across the rev-range.
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Originally Posted by !LittleDragon While the VW 2.0T is a nice motor and all, 1500rpm isn't what I would consider to be low end torque. Low end is like idle+ and you can't get that without displacement or a supercharger. | Show me another motor that can match it without being a truck diesel.
C'mon, show me!
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Originally Posted by E N D L E S S LOL
seriously, people still use this phrase....??
It's not 1998 anymore, there are plenty of turbocharged 2.0 engines with higher torque outputs then big displacement V8's out there | Buddy, technology can't overcome simple mechanical physics.
Why do you think 1-ton trucks have 6+Litre motors instead of 3L turbos?
It doesn't matter what tuners can show on a dyno - what matters is how quickly and how hard the power comes on in real life, and bigger motors will always have the advantage.
End of story.
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large displacement doesn't mean shit. i have owned a few domestics in my life and they are junk.
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#74 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by cococly 1500rpm is NOT LOW END TORQUE?? Do you usually drive a heavy Diesal or something? Most car idle at around 0.8-0.9k rpm...you can't get max torque any lower than 1500rpm, or else it would be a waste.
Most N/A V8 CANNOT get max Torque at 1500rpm and kept the torque output level at the max across the rev-range. | I'm not talking about max torque. It doesn't matter where the max torque comes in, all that matters is that a good chunk of it is available at idle. That's why I stand by my comment about the 2.2L MR2 being easier to drive around town than the 2.0L Turbo. It has more torque available at idle than the turbo. Low end torque is when you can go up hills without adding throttle, it's when you can drive in city traffic using only 4th gear....
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01-30-2009, 03:30 PM
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#75 | | "They call me Bowser...RawR!"
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Originally Posted by roastpuff Show me another motor that can match it without being a truck diesel.
C'mon, show me! | Corvette? Mustang? I can be cruising around town in one of those in 4th gear at 1000rpm and it's instant tire smoke if you punch it. That's torque that comes on low and hard. If you've noticed, a lot of the Japanese sedans have switched to using bigger 3.0+L motors, even the Civic has upsized the engine.
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