The shootings thread!

[Badhobz]

Vancouver is turning into a shithole.

The people are all insane, broke and unhappy. Plus social media makes it all that much worse. I see why peeps wanna move out to Alberta. It’s just not a wholesome place to raise a family anymore.

[Hondaracer]

If turd had spent the last decade enacting actual gun laws as opposed to trying to take away farmers shot guns, we might have seen a change.

But now a car full of buddy guys get pulled over and find multiple load, illegal, handguns abs they are let off 15 minutes later? Lol good luck.

[68style]

^ Is any part of what you just said actually true or accurate? lol

Reads like a Canadian version of Sean Hannity trying to work up a bunch of seniors

[Hondaracer]

100% all the gun legislation the liberals had been trying to pass until ultimately giving up due to incompetency had stipulations to ban/buy back shot guns over a certain bore size. Guns used for things like sporting clays.

Of course, -zero- of these crimes reported in this thread are perpetrated with legal firearms.

[68style]

I don't really want to turn this into a gun rights topic, weve been over that ad nauseum... but I think it's safe to say that yes, gun models could be adjusted in the ban better... but to say look criminals still have guns is a total misnomer, of course they do... they're not going to turn them in. But eventually it trickles down and their supply dwindles and then they're left with no choice but to try and get them from the USA instead which carries its own costs/sets of risk for the criminal.

It's not an overnight thing... Gov makes law, tomorrow law better be 100% reflected or else it didn't work. That's just crazy talk, it's like a 10-20 trickle down attrition at best and without going home to home like some gestappo there's literally no other way to do it.

[Hondaracer]

Want to end gun crime?

You’re caught with an illegal firearm, auto 5 years

Second offence is 15.

Voila, there’s no more shootings.

There isn’t a law abiding gun owner that would oppose this.

[68style]

I wish it was that simple, I really do...

Does it make sense to lock a bunch of dumbass kids who could have an entire productive life ahead of them up for 5 years for following someone they thought was cool or a mentor or got peer pressured into? You were one of those kids once, we all did stupid shit... but we maybe weren't around a bad crowd.

You're punishing the wrong segment of the population the hardest. Those kids are disposable to the people running gangs and they're the actual dangerous ones.

If solutions to social problems were THAT simple, don't you think every country would be doing it?

[murd0c]

Originally Posted by 68style

I wish it was that simple, I really do...

Does it make sense to lock a bunch of dumbass kids who could have an entire productive life ahead of them up for 5 years for following someone they thought was cool or a mentor or got peer pressured into? You were one of those kids once, we all did stupid shit... but we maybe weren't around a bad crowd.

You're punishing the wrong segment of the population the hardest. Those kids are disposable to the people running gangs and they're the actual dangerous ones.

If solutions to social problems were THAT simple, don't you think every country would be doing it?

These young kids are selling drugs and shooting people so yes it makes complete sense when they are living the "gangster" lifestyle.... Getting locked up might save these kids lives rather then getting murdered by their enemies.

[68style]

And where has that approach ever worked? I'll wait for an example.

I guess Japanese and Swedish prisons must be just littered with saved youths since they have the results you desire.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

I wish it was that simple, I really do...

Does it make sense to lock a bunch of dumbass kids who could have an entire productive life ahead of them up for 5 years for following someone they thought was cool or a mentor or got peer pressured into? You were one of those kids once, we all did stupid shit... but we maybe weren't around a bad crowd.

You're punishing the wrong segment of the population the hardest. Those kids are disposable to the people running gangs and they're the actual dangerous ones.

If solutions to social problems were THAT simple, don't you think every country would be doing it?

This isn’t someone getting a speeding ticket.

If you have a loaded hand gun in your possession this isn’t a matter of “oh he was peer pressured he’ll turn his life around”

You have literally zero motivation other than causing serious bodily harm or death to someone, period. This isn’t a video game. If someone can’t understand the gravity of their situation in carrying around a loaded firearm with intention to use it, then you deserve to be behind bars, period.

These people are too dumb to ever learn, these Indian kids from good families who are too dumb to do anything with their lives and fall into the “bad crowd” and get pressured to fucking kill people? lol

It’s no different than these chronic reoffenders, you are a scourge on society, and do nothing but put regular, law abiding citizens in danger, you cannot be allowed to be among the general population.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

And where has that approach ever worked? I'll wait for an example.

I guess Japanese and Swedish prisons must be just littered with saved youths since they have the results you desire.

Singapore.

And any other nation that has a zero tolerance for things like drugs etc. by enacting incredibly Stiff punishments, those crimes do not happen.

If it’s a choice between a police state, or our current situation of rampant crime and drugs, I’ll take the police state.

[68style]

How's life in Singapore? You want to live there? How come it never appears on any happy places to live index?

You like paying $150,000 for a Corolla thanks to tariffs and $3.50/L for gas?

There's no balance in those countries. One trick pony. Every move you make is monitored and policed.

You complain about government interference and then cite Singapore as a good place to live? lmao

You think these rules just "stop" crime but you don't see the cause and effect of an entire legal system that operates in black and white and how detrimental it is to actually living your day to day life. That mentality doesn't just get applied to gun controls or drugs, it gets applied to EVERYTHING.

How far is too far? You have a "You break the rules, you go to jail" mindset. Now that same government says you speed 1km/h over the limit in your car on a Sunday afternoon, you broke the rules and endangered life, you go to jail and we're taking your car away.

[Traum]

Hondaracer buddy,

If you're gonna make statements like this, then at some point you gotta do more than just talk the talk, and actually go walk the walk. Otherwise, you're creating a situation where you are eroding your own credibility.

Pro tip -- stuff in S'pore ain't cheap either, and it is all densely packed high rises. But at least their public house (for Singaporean nationals) are cheap. I don't remember whether you're married or not, but it might be worth your while to find a Singaporean wife. A lot of Singaporean girls are quite pretty. I am still kicking myself that I blew at least 2 chances on dating them.

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Singapore.

And any other nation that has a zero tolerance for things like drugs etc. by enacting incredibly Stiff punishments, those crimes do not happen.

If it’s a choice between a police state, or our current situation of rampant crime and drugs, I’ll take the police state.

[T4RAWR]

The majority of guns being seized come from states or are manufactured locally. Either 3D printer or converted airsoft (the polymer frames on airsoft are usually strong enough for a .22lr conversion).

Current gun legislation which simply punishes legal gun owners won't do anything to stop gun violence. Even if the guns dried up due to a lack of local supply and tighter borders people would just use something else like knives in the UK.

A fear of consequences that over rides the rewards of killing are required in order to reduce the number of gun related homicides in conjunction with socio economic support systems to divert youth who fall into the gang life to try to improve their life.

[68style]

The rampant crime and drugs statement kills me

Can't go outside your lovely home in Van anymore? Too dangerous to go out and eat at Peppino's or Savio's this weekend? You should write the travel guide for Vancouver "Walk outside and you are guaranteed to be assaulted, stabbed, shot, sold drugs to and threatened because crime is RAMPANT!" there'd be much less traffic in the city which would be kind of nice

[68style]

Originally Posted by T4RAWR

The majority of guns being seized come from states or are manufactured locally. Either 3D printer or converted airsoft (the polymer frames on airsoft are usually strong enough for a .22lr conversion).

Current gun legislation which simply punishes legal gun owners won't do anything to stop gun violence. Even if the guns dried up due to a lack of local supply and tighter borders people would just use something else like knives in the UK.

A fear of consequences that over rides the rewards of killing are required in order to reduce the number of gun related homicides in conjunction with socio economic support systems to divert youth who fall into the gang life to try to improve their life.

The combination of support and stiffer penalties is the only real solution I think. There has to be mitigation between crime and jail... jail is never going to fix anyone... and a lot of kids are too stupid/immature to understand the consequences of their actions, that's why we have so many rules about what age you must be before x.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Traum

A lot of Singaporean girls are quite pretty. I am still kicking myself that I blew at least 2 chances on dating them.

Son, I am very disappoint.

[T4RAWR]

Originally Posted by 68style

The combination of support and stiffer penalties is the only real solution I think. There has to be mitigation between crime and jail... jail is never going to fix anyone... and a lot of kids are too stupid/immature to understand the consequences of their actions, that's why we have so many rules about what age you must be before x.

There is definitely a subset of society that is beyond saving and we should save jail for those.

For the others let's try and save them

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

The rampant crime and drugs statement kills me

Can't go outside your lovely home in Van anymore? Too dangerous to go out and eat at Peppino's or Savio's this weekend? You should write the travel guide for Vancouver "Walk outside and you are guaranteed to be assaulted, stabbed, shot, sold drugs to and threatened because crime is RAMPANT!" there'd be much less traffic in the city which would be kind of nice

Drug crime and the prominence of drug use is substantially worse here and far more visible anywhere I’ve been.

Is it too much to ask to not have a shooting every single day?

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by Traum

A lot of Singaporean girls are quite pretty. I am still kicking myself that I blew at least 2 chances on dating them.

And rich AF!

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

The rampant crime and drugs statement kills me

Can't go outside your lovely home in Van anymore? Too dangerous to go out and eat at Peppino's or Savio's this weekend? You should write the travel guide for Vancouver "Walk outside and you are guaranteed to be assaulted, stabbed, shot, sold drugs to and threatened because crime is RAMPANT!" there'd be much less traffic in the city which would be kind of nice

Go watch YouTubers who come to Vancouver

All of them say the same thing, WTF is with the homeless/drug use

People who have been to a hundred countries come here and are like WTF

[68style]

All I ever hear is people saying how beautiful it is here, minus if they walked by East Hastings and Main.

And shootings do not happen every day. It would be much easier to talk constructively about stuff if so many exaggerations didn't get made.

[mikemhg]

Honda you're smarter than this.

You're starting to sound like an unhinged boomer lately

[Hondaracer]

Logical legislation is all I ask for

We can’t keep crying about gun crime and then just do nothing about it

[mikemhg]

Drug use is a problem writ-large is NA right now, Honda. All coastal cities.

Go to Philly, spots throughout the East Coast, California, Oregon, Washington, it's a problem all over the place. It's a symptom of societal decline, the very fabrics of our societies are breaking down. We lost focus on what matters most, we've degraded community, economic disparity has never been greater, drugs are cheap and abundant with new chemical formulations becoming readily available at an exponential rate.

Governments are cash strapped, taxes are high, there is no appetite for "socialism", we've created the perfect scenario for where we are today, this isn't a Trudeau thing. It's the Conservatives that lead the pivot towards shrinking mental health institutions, to push the idea of self-reliance. The left is also to blame with the over sympathetic approach to these same people, promoting the idea that institutionalization is barbaric.

The war on drugs during the 80s and 90s was terrible, it ruined communities, as a result we moved FAR to the left on that particular agenda, perhaps too far in this case. We're now trying to figure out that equilibrium, perhaps it's too late, I don't know.

This is a complicated and compounded problem, to place blame on simple narrowminded myopic factors is silly, in my opinion.