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LOL @ everyone thinking just because a cop is stronger and "trained" for that kinda shit that they are supposed to use it. In the end if a cop has to defend themselves that's what they'll do and they aren't trained to be kung fu masters you can't expect them to run in and disarm her without hurting themselves or her.
I'd probably be the first to shit on cops for corruption and brutality, but come on guys. Cops do go through a lot of shit so if you ask him to go disarm some psycho jason bourne style and risk getting slashed, do you really think he would want to?
With that, I still don't see the use of shooting a young woman yielding a pair of scissors in both her legs in order to detain/control her. From what I remember, there was some man holding a sword or something downtown and the police used methods such as taser and riot bullets etc to detain him. Perhaps this was situational, but I still can't find a reason for such actions.
Honestly, she's really lucky. Remember that guy swinging a chain? They shot him in the torso like ten times. Typically cops are trained to aim for the centre of mass...which means realistically, she should be dead now.
Rubber bullets: not reliable in a real crisis standoff; hard to load both into a gun and choose.
Mace: only useful at close range and when you're at risk of a knife fight, close range can mean death.
Tasers: risk of heart attack when chest is compressed after tazing (which is to say, what they normally do after they immobilize you; flip you over, arms behind the back, knee to the shoulderblade).
a bit OT but FYI, IIRC, rubber bullets are actually shot out of shotguns. It's not like cops have two types of magazines for their sidearms, one for live rounds and one for rubber bullets. The rounds themselves are about 1" in diameter i think. Same with beanbag rounds. Both are loaded into shotgun shells. I'm not sure if it's a budget issue or a risk issue that not all cops are equipped/trained with rubber bullets/beanbag gun (in fact, probably only a minority are) but they still can be lethal (depending on where the suspect is hit and how close they are when the shot goes off).
i guess it's the same reason our cops don't use pepperballs for riot control as well. shooting capsaicin-filled paintballs at people could still be pretty deadly. boston PD killed a girl with one back in the day. anyway, with all of these non-lethal rounds, they're supposed to shoot below the waist. [end of ramble]
ive watched a few documentaries on the uprising in middle east and specifically egypt and they said a tactic that the riot control groups use now is to aim rubber bullets into the chest/head now trying to purposely blind protesters
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Young woman wielding a pair of scissors (or a knife) versus police officers that have probably 50-100 lbs on her and are probably trained in disarming as well as other tactical fighting and they opt to shoot her in both her legs? Seems kind of fucked up to me IMO.
Something like this?
I've never had the police shoot me mind you it's not to often I come at then with knives. My solution to not get shot would involve not waving guns or knives around or at cops but I'm not that original.
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With that, I still don't see the use of shooting a young woman yielding a pair of scissors in both her legs in order to detain/control her. From what I remember, there was some man holding a sword or something downtown and the police used methods such as taser and riot bullets etc to detain him. Perhaps this was situational, but I still can't find a reason for such actions.
In that situation on Burrard St, the subject with the sword was not really advancing in a threatening manner with the weapon towards the officers or public. The subject was mostly pacing back and forth and yelling rants then attempted to flee without advancing in a threatening manner with the weapon.
What is different I believe in this situation is that the subject with the scissors advanced towards officers with the weapon in a threatening manner. Anytime a subject advances towards you with any weapon, be it a chain, scissors, brick, etc you are trained to open fire center mass. This lady was lucky she only got shot in the legs IMO. Also not all officers are deployed with ARWIN/crowd control weapons.
In that situation on Burrard St, the subject with the sword was not really advancing in a threatening manner with the weapon towards the officers or public. The subject was mostly pacing back and forth and yelling rants then attempted to flee without advancing in a threatening manner with the weapon.
What is different I believe in this situation is that the subject with the scissors advanced towards officers with the weapon in a threatening manner. Anytime a subject advances towards you with any weapon, be it a chain, scissors, brick, etc you are trained to open fire center mass. This lady was lucky she only got shot in the legs IMO. Also not all officers are deployed with ARWIN/crowd control weapons.
It still seems like an excessive amount of force given a situation where a subject advances toward you with a weapon that does not seem lethal (Brick, scissors). Also, out of curiosity, at what point does something become considered a weapon?
It still seems like an excessive amount of force given a situation where a subject advances toward you with a weapon that does not seem lethal (Brick, scissors). Also, out of curiosity, at what point does something become considered a weapon?
I can agree with that viewpoint/rationale though.
Anything is can be lethal. Im pretty sure I can kill you with a pair of scissors if I stabbed you in the heart. Cops have to go for the kill. Its possible for someone to get shot 3-4 times in the leg and still find ths strength to lunge forward at an attacker because of adrenAline. Posted via RS Mobile
It still seems like an excessive amount of force given a situation where a subject advances toward you with a weapon that does not seem lethal (Brick, scissors). Also, out of curiosity, at what point does something become considered a weapon?
I can agree with that viewpoint/rationale though.
Self preservation/protection is always the first priority.
Trust me, both a brick and scissors can be used as weapons. At what point does something become a weapon? When the intention of harm is placed on said object.
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There have been some shootings in Surrey/Langely since the last time this thread was updated but iirc no deaths
A shooting happened in Abbotsford yesterday at 5:15pm! based off of multiple articles the victim, south asian in 20's, died in hospital and was in a dark coloured bmw when he was shot in a parking lot, witnesses indicate that there were more people in the car with the victim but police say only the victim was present when they arrived; there'll be an update by IHIT later today.
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The victim was in his twenties
ABBOTSFORD (NEWS1130) – A man in his twenties has died after he was shot while behind the wheel of his sedan in downtown Abbotsford late Sunday afternoon.
At about 5:15 p.m., shots were fired from a light-coloured vehicle near the intersection of South Fraser Way and Emerson Street.
A bullet hit the driver of a dark-coloured sedan.
Ian MacDonald with Abbotsford Police says this could be a case of gang rivalry.
“Certainly it was brazen. The drive-by component of it is something that is consistent with things that police have experienced that are gang-related. But it’s far too early in this investigation to say that definitively,” he notes.
He points out there could have been more people involved besides the shooter and the victim.
“Some witnesses seem to believe that there might have been an additional person or two in the vehicle. But upon police arrival, there was only one person. He was transported to hospital where regrettably he succumbed to his injuries.”
The case is now being handled by the Integrated Homicide Investigation Unit.
A young man is dead after a fatal shooting in Abbotsford Sunday evening.
Abbotsford Police received 911 calls about shots fired near the intersection of South Fraser Way and Emerson Street at 5:15 pm.
“Witnesses indicated that shots were fired from a suspect vehicle into a dark coloured sedan,” Const. Ian MacDonald said in a news release.
:When Abbotsford Police Department Patrol Division officers arrived, they located a South Asian man in his 20’s seriously injured and suffering from apparent gunshot wounds. The man was transported to hospital and APD Major Crime Unit and Forensic Identification Unit members joined the investigation.”
Less than an hour later, the victim had died from his injuries.
MacDonald said the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team has now taken over the investigation.
Anyone with information about this incident should call IHIT at 1-877-551-4448 or call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
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^^^ Victim has been identified
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ABBOTSFORD (NEWS1130) – A 25-year-old man, Harpreet Chahal, has been identified as the victim in Sunday’s drive-by shooting in Abbotsford.
It happened near a busy intersection at South Fraser Way near Emerson just after PM.
Chahal is known to police as an associate of Jujhar Khun-Khun, one of the men accused in the killing of Red Scorpion gangster Jonathan Bacon.
Five years ago, the two were convicted in a robbery and kidnapping.
The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team says the shooting is targeting and gang-related.
When police arrived he was still alive but all attempts to revive him were unsuccessful and Chahal was pronounced dead at the hospital.
Witnesses in the area describe Chahal’s Mercedes traveling westbound on South Fraser Way when another vehicle, traveling in the same direction, shot into the Mercedes. The occupants traveling with Chahal fled the vehicle and investigators are attempting to identify them.
“This shooting occurred in a very public area where innocent people could have easily become victims. We are urging anyone with information to come forward and speak with investigators,” says Sgt. Jennifer Pound.
If you have any information you are asked to contact the IHIT tipline at 1-877-551-4448, or, if you wish to remain anonymous contact Crimestoppers at 1-800-222-8477.
"A male shot at multiple people on the street (Main St & E 26th Ave) and then shot himself in the head. No other victims other than the shooter. " Posted via RS Mobile
"A male shot at multiple people on the street (Main St & E 26th Ave) and then shot himself in the head. No other victims other than the shooter. " Posted via RS Mobile
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Man shoots at others; turns gun on himself
Gunman listed in critical condition
Mike Lloyd July 5, 2013 6:33 am
VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – People at the cafés and coffee shops in a trendy area of Vancouver were ducking for cover last night when bullets started flying in a bizarre shooting.
It happened at Main Street and East 26th Avenue, where one man was badly hurt by the time the whole thing was over.
Vancouver Police are still trying to figure out what exactly happened. Just after 11 p.m. a man got out of his car, he had a gun and started firing at two people he apparently targeted at random. They were not hurt and that’s when he turned the gun on himself, shooting himself in the head.
People who live in the area say the fact that two people were targeted at random is very unnerving. “It’s a pretty quiet neighbourhood overall so I’m definitely shocked that something like that happened,” says Adam.
The man who shot himself did survive and last night was rushed to hospital where he was last listed as being in critical condition.
i dont wanna be the guy to say it... but why waste the resources saving someone like that...
easier on society to have just let him pass away.. someone else could be using that hospital bed, using the court system and the mental hospital/jail he will be placed in...
Random acts of violence scare me the most. It's no longer about whom you associate yourself with, it's just being in the wrong place in the wrong time.
Thankfully, and not meaning to bring light to this terrible incident, the asshole must have had pretty terrible marksmanship skills.
i dont wanna be the guy to say it... but why waste the resources saving someone like that...
easier on society to have just let him pass away.. someone else could be using that hospital bed, using the court system and the mental hospital/jail he will be placed in...
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