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hey for you guys that play pickup ball weekly, I gotta ask you all something....
I been noticing lately at some the places I play at, basically I would make a contested layup and the defender will use a bailout tactic where he fouls you intentionally to prevent the hoop, but then will proceed to say the hoop doesn't count because he fouled you before the shot went up, even though it's continuation
ok firstly, it has always been the case that the offensive player calls fouls, just recently I've seen defenders start calling it, and never in all my years have I seen this, so where the fuck is it coming from ?
and secondly, continuation assholes, WTF!! not that it even matters since it's always been offensive player calls his own fouls, so what the fuck is this new noob shit, it's fucking driving me nuts, I have literally started intensely arguing people for pulling that shit, and I rarely say a word when I'm playing
have you guys been experiencing this anywhere ?
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^^It's always offense calls foul UNLESS someone is being a douche and calling a foul every time they miss a lay up.
You can really tell who has actually played organized basketball when it comes to calling fouls. Most guys I used to play with were provincial/regional players and it's always no blood, no call when it's pick up ball.
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that's bullshit if they don't play continuation.
This past week while playing in a league game, had a case of the defender calling the foul for me as I'm driving to the basket (very little contact but still called it) I didn't think it was a bad enough foul to call it, so it was pretty weird to have the defender just admit to the foul. It wasn't even a strategic move too, not late game situation trying to stop the clock or anything lol
Usually the only time when the defenders call the foul is when they really hack or tie you up.
hey for you guys that play pickup ball weekly, I gotta ask you all something....
I been noticing lately at some the places I play at, basically I would make a contested layup and the defender will use a bailout tactic where he fouls you intentionally to prevent the hoop, but then will proceed to say the hoop doesn't count because he fouled you before the shot went up, even though it's continuation
ok firstly, it has always been the case that the offensive player calls fouls, just recently I've seen defenders start calling it, and never in all my years have I seen this, so where the fuck is it coming from ?
and secondly, continuation assholes, WTF!! not that it even matters since it's always been offensive player calls his own fouls, so what the fuck is this new noob shit, it's fucking driving me nuts, I have literally started intensely arguing people for pulling that shit, and I rarely say a word when I'm playing
have you guys been experiencing this anywhere ?
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^^It's always offense calls foul UNLESS someone is being a douche and calling a foul every time they miss a lay up.
You can really tell who has actually played organized basketball when it comes to calling fouls. Most guys I used to play with were provincial/regional players and it's always no blood, no call when it's pick up ball.
I don't call fouls...I assume that when someone commits an obvious foul on me that he knows he's committed a foul and I expect him to call it himself....That would be the defence calling the foul...If he doesn't call it, I just laugh at him and keep playing. I just don't like calling fouls when I'm on offense. When I think I have fouled a guy though, I always call it; so again, I am on defence and am calling the foul.
Stupidest shit in the world though is when people foul you on purpose by just grabbing you to prevent the easy basket. It's just dumb. It's not like I'm going to get free throws in a pick-up game.
I don't call fouls...I assume that when someone commits an obvious foul on me that he knows he's committed a foul and I expect him to call it himself....That would be the defence calling the foul...If he doesn't call it, I just laugh at him and keep playing. I just don't like calling fouls when I'm on offense. When I think I have fouled a guy though, I always call it; so again, I am on defence and am calling the foul.
Same here. I usually dont call fouls unless its really obvious.
But then again i don't really consider a touch or a light bump a foul in a pick upp game.
yea I mean the general rule always has been offense calls it right!
I am not putting up with this new shit I'm seeing, super gay!
and I see it spreading to other gyms too, so if you guys see it just call the shit out let people know what it is
but I definitely understand the defensive player calling a foul like if he fouls you hard and he's doing it out of admittance as in "my bad dude I got you" but this bullshit where it's like "ok I'm gonna just hack you to prevent the layup instead of playing d, OH SHIT you made the layup damn!! but hey it doesn't count cause I intentionally fouled you" that's cabbage straight up, and I thought up until this point that the most bs thing a defender can do is hack you on purpose to prevent a hoop usually on fastbreaks when you got them backtracking and it should be a fairly easy hoop, because he knows there is no free throws and you're just gonna have to start over and earn the hoop again.... I thought that was some pussy shit, but this is worse IMO....
I notice it's usually older guys that do this shit, I had this guy last week that I would beat off the dribble and every time this fckin dude would literally just turn around, and we ain't even talking them cheap little hip bumps, I'm talking he would literally stick his ass out almost bend over and try bump me that way.... I didn't even wanna guard that dude rest of the night, straight homo
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Lol I guess I hack ppl purposedly cause its either fast break or I'm too lazy to defend, yeah continuation always count, iunno what's up with the ppl u play with lol Posted via RS Mobile
^ you sonuva..... hacker ! lol, yea nah it's just a few guys not everyone, and it typically seems to happen mostly on game winning baskets so maybe that has more to do with it really
since we on the subject there's this other thing that I wanted to see what you guys think about, when I'm watching spot up shooters in the NBA like Ray Allen, Korver or any other catch and shoot specialist, what happens is when they catch the ball , they then do a quick little shuffle/hop step gather prior to jumping up to take the shot.... this is something of an instinct a shooter will have, because their muscle memory typically doesn't allow them to shoot unless they have their feet properly set...
do any of you guys do this gather when catching and shooting ?
in all the leagues I played in here locally, the refs ALWAYS call this a travel, but I've never seen this call in the NBA
see what I mean at the 1:20 mark when I catch gather my feet and raise up for the shot....
lol, I just noticed I stole the ball from my own teammate at :46 mark, fckin JR Smithed that shit
I hack because my emotionals get the best of me a dumb honger bitch started mouthing me off during a game and when he was on his fast break I jumped up and hacked him on his shoulder, taught that bitch to be disrespectful Posted via RS Mobile
^ haha, nice some guys need to get slapped once in a while
HOLLEEEE FACKKK!! check out Blake in play # 2, he took off from dotted line off of TWO FEET !!! so much air time he switched to one handed dunk, then changed his mind and finished with two hands
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see what I mean at the 1:20 mark when I catch gather my feet and raise up for the shot....
lol, I just noticed I stole the ball from my own teammate at :46 mark, fckin JR Smithed that shit
nice cross @ 1:32
I think I played against you (or someone that looks just like you lol) in one of my league games but the league I played in had no refs..
edit: nvm, noticed ur vid is from 2008, probably different leagues
You are supposed to catch the ball with your feet in the air as you are gathering, if you get what I mean...That way it's not a travel...You can't catch the ball with your feet on the ground and then do a little hop step to gather; so yes, at 1:20 you do travel.
As for the foul calling, it's as simple as this: You let the guys know before-hand that you don't want anybody calling fouls for you...That way, you don't have to deal with this on-purpose foul shit and can keep playing if you feel you have an advantage...That said, if a guy fouls you, and you decide not to call it, but the foul causes you to travel, they can call a travel on you and you can't bitch about there being a foul first...also, if they foul you and you shoot the ball, you can't wait to see if you are going to get the rebound or not before you decide to call the foul...
I've had way too many guys state that offense calls the foul, then they shoot the ball, I foul them, they don't call it in hopes of them getting the rebound right under the hoop so they can just go straight back up....they don't get the rebound, and then they decide to call the foul...drives me insane...
^ ah yea that makes total sense, people been always doing that, like puttin the shot up hoping it goes in and when it doesnt they just call a late foul on you, but in reality just mad they missed the shot and they want another chance at it... real annoying cause it's so obvious it's a bailout call and to me it doesn't make sense, because you can still call the foul and if the ball happens to go in, then it still counts under the AND1 rule..... I've personally done that all these years, I'll go up get hacked hard call the foul, and the ball will go in shit will just count and play is continued, nobody ever says anything that's what it is....
but yea as far as the gather thing, I know officially it's a travel and usually yea I'm actually gathering as I'm catching the ball, one hand extended receiving the ball while I'm setting my feet so it's not obvious at all, in the case of the video it is a pretty extreme case as I did quite a big gather, usually it's very small and firm....
it's pretty obvious why they don't call this a travel in the NBA, it's impossible to catch almost, and if they did they would have to call it like 50 times in a fckin game, cause almost every catch and shoot situation involves this hop step
And going back to the NBA players doing it here's a perfect example of Ray doing it, and like I said it's something pretty much all spot up shooters do, look at Ray completely catch it with two hands and then the little jump gather forward before going up to shoot it, @ the :20 second mark....
nice cross @ 1:32
I think I played against you (or someone that looks just like you lol) in one of my league games but the league I played in had no refs..
edit: nvm, noticed ur vid is from 2008, probably different leagues
lol, yea my little pussy ass baby cross, I'm a fan of the Tim Hardaway school of crosses, quick and to the point... they don't look as good but they work better than the the wild exaggerated carry AI crosses as sweet as they look
yea the only leagues I've played in locally over the years have been the Cambie, Kings and Champlain Men's leagues, they all have refs.... I actually just did finish a season of Co-Ed ball at Kerrisdale, they have no refs.... the worst fckin league ever, just did it cuz my chick friends asked me to play on her team.... lol, everyone calls the pussiest fouls and there is more arguing than on a fcking New York streetball court I swear
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^I don't think you fully understand the foul thing I was talking about...It does make a difference when the guy calls the foul. I'm saying he doesn't call the foul at first because he's hoping he will get the rebound RIGHT under the basket, and therefore get an easy bucket...After he isn't able to get the rebound, THEN he calls the foul...If he got the rebound though, he would just go straight back up and get the easy one.
Also about the Ray Allen vid, you can't totally tell if that is travelling or not because you can't see his feet when he catches the ball, however, he definitely seems like he's in the motion of doing that hop step AS HE'S CATCHING THE BALL, meaning it would NOT be a travel.
and for Ray's vid, I dont know, maybe try full screening to get a better look, between the :23 and :25 second mark you can clearly see he catches the ball in both hands at :23, and then at :24-:25 you see his feet fully, that's when he hop steps with both his feet at the same time closer towards the 3 point line gathering his feet before take off
this vid ain't slow motion, but you can see Reddick going at it as well... it's just a natural motion, that's probably why it isn't called in the NBA even though probably in technical rulebook and terms it is a travel... just like those fastbreak layup or dunks where the guys take 3 sometimes even 4 steps
and for Ray's vid, I dont know, maybe try full screening to get a better look, between the :23 and :25 second mark you can clearly see he catches the ball in both hands at :23, and then at :24-:25 you see his feet fully, that's when he hop steps with both his feet at the same time closer towards the 3 point line gathering his feet before take off
this vid ain't slow motion, but you can see Reddick going at it as well... it's just a natural motion, that's probably why it isn't called in the NBA even though probably in technical rulebook and terms it is a travel... just like those fastbreak layup or dunks where the guys take 3 sometimes even 4 steps
Reddick doesn't travel in those vids while gathering...It's hard to tell, but he's actually already in the motion of gathering while he is catching the ball. In your vid, however, you catch the ball, and then get into the motion of gathering. It really has to be done all at once. Like I said, I can't see Allen's feet in the first vid so I can't tell if he's catches the ball first and then gets into the motion or if he's already in the motion while catching it, although it does seem to me like he is moving upwards when he catches the ball which would make me think he's already in the motion of doing that hop.
I think in Reddick's video he does the little hop step (after he catches the ball) bballguy mentioned earlier.
To me it he isn't travelling because he's shooting the ball. But if he were to put the ball down and start dribbling then it would be travelling?
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^ yea it's basically a little hop step that like I said most spot up shooters are all doing subconsciously...
I know the one in my video is pretty prominent and usually I don't do that big of a hop step, but that's what is basically is, a gather/hop step to get your feet set prior to raising up for the shot.
I keep getting called for it in my leagues sometimes few times a game, but fck it I'm not changing something that professional athletes do, they're doing it for a reason...
I tried for a while digging my left foot in firmly and tapping the ground with my right foot on the proper spot slightly ahead of my pivot foot insted of the hopstep, shit felt awkward as fck
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It will be very interesting to see how Lin adjusts to the Heats defense. Miami is definitely gonna double team him and give him different defensive coverages.
Chalmers and Norris Cole will guard Jeremy, even LeBron at times. Melo will see LeBron guard him most of the time. D. Wade might also be assigned to defend Lin.
hey for you guys that play pickup ball weekly, I gotta ask you all something....
I been noticing lately at some the places I play at, basically I would make a contested layup and the defender will use a bailout tactic where he fouls you intentionally to prevent the hoop, but then will proceed to say the hoop doesn't count because he fouled you before the shot went up, even though it's continuation
ok firstly, it has always been the case that the offensive player calls fouls, just recently I've seen defenders start calling it, and never in all my years have I seen this, so where the fuck is it coming from ?
and secondly, continuation assholes, WTF!! not that it even matters since it's always been offensive player calls his own fouls, so what the fuck is this new noob shit, it's fucking driving me nuts, I have literally started intensely arguing people for pulling that shit, and I rarely say a word when I'm playing
have you guys been experiencing this anywhere ?
offense calls fouls, if you score while fouled, basket counts, game keeps on going. Seems like you have been noobed. ( don't play with them unless they want to learn pick up rules properly).
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a dumb honger bitch started mouthing me off during a game and when he was on his fast break I jumped up and hacked him on his shoulder, taught that bitch to be disrespectful 
