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Kevin Martin definitely needed a change of scenery, he's easily the most legit undercover/underrated player in the League. Great great all around player, not just a scorer but an excellent defender
Who's ready for opening tip !
on the Harden point.... he's a fool to turn down the Thunder offer, for around an extra 10 mill he said no to championship run and turned his back on his boys...
I would diss him right about now, but his play in the Finals says it all.
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Kevin Martin definitely needed a change of scenery, he's easily the most legit undercover/underrated player in the League. Great great all around player, not just a scorer but an excellent defender
Kevin Martin is an excellent defender?.......Umm........Not sure if serious...he's an absolutely horrible defender.....
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on the Harden point.... he's a fool to turn down the Thunder offer, for around an extra 10 mill he said no to championship run and turned his back on his boys...
I would diss him right about now, but his play in the Finals says it all.
Extra 10 mill is a lot....esp for these niggas who got a whole hood to feed....either way, he's 23....Get paid first, win championships later.
Thunder were offering 54-55 mill for 4 years, Houston can offer up to 75-80 mill and 5 years, also no state tax in Houston. Harden would have at least left 20 million on the table.
If you've seen Martin play over the last few years you'd know he's active in passing lanes with quick hands and very fast on his feet since he's only 190lbs at 6'7, he can move. Think throughout his career he pretty much averaged a steal a game, holding a better than average steal to turnover ratio...
The most I'll give up in this is I may have gone overboard in calling him an "excellent" defender, but he is better than average, and in no way a horrible one.
ilapeeno yea Harden he'll get the max deal in Houston but during his 5 year stay there, he'll never make it out of the first round. Let's say hypothetically in big games he becomes the go to man, what happens ? I mean like I said about his finals performance, it was bad... and that was on the Thunder playing off the stars they got....
Nevermind the fact that Houston is reshuffling and in a rebuilding stage with no stars on the team....
I think it's a really poor decision on his part, and if I was him I would have found an extra 10-20 million in another manner, short term investments best bet. He's gettin that money over 5 years, so a few mill extra per year, guaranteed those guys got jew accountants that can find them a few extra mill a year just by playing stock markets or investments.
I would NOT have left a championship contender for years to come for a few extra mill a year I could easily find elsewhere.... to me it doesn't make sense, he's either really REALLY stupid, or there is more to the story like he felt disrespected or something and even if it was that, I would have given him a pass IF IF IF he killed it in the finals, which he didn't
My 8th grade lil bro made a mini mix tape of my other 5th grader little brother, I'm so very proud of him I had to share... he's playing with the gr 6 n 7's, so a little bit ahead which is good for his development.... kid is gonna be a natural point guard with ability to score, I honestly have not seen any kids his age with handles so pure and the body control..
I taught him the Shammgod he pulls out at 1:01, lol
I think it's a really poor decision on his part, and if I was him I would have found an extra 10-20 million in another manner, short term investments best bet. He's gettin that money over 5 years, so a few mill extra per year, guaranteed those guys got jew accountants that can find them a few extra mill a year just by playing stock markets or investments.
I would NOT have left a championship contender for years to come for a few extra mill a year I could easily find elsewhere.... to me it doesn't make sense, he's either really REALLY stupid, or there is more to the story like he felt disrespected or something and even if it was that, I would have given him a pass IF IF IF he killed it in the finals, which he didn't
You make it sound as though it is really easy for someone to make roughly forty percent of their salary through mere investments, but let's assume for a second that it really is that easy. You are still neglecting to consider that Harden, like any rational person with a "jew accountant", would continue to invest in these forty percent return stocks as a Rocket, with a higher salary to boot, which would mean that he would actually be making upwards of an additional eight million, on top of what he would make by investing as a member of the Thunder, by investing with his higher income. Of course, this is all theoretically based on your high yielding stocks and you would also have to assume that he is able to invest his entire salary in order to pull in the numbers you suggested; any less and you're going to need to see much more than forty percent come back his way.
The truth is that 20, let alone 28, million is nothing to scoff at, and, on top of that, we really don't know what either party was thinking. What we do know is that Harden was seen by many to be an integral part of the young core that brought OKC to the finals. Not to mention, he did just win a gold medal. Perhaps, because of that belief, Harden let hubris get the best of him and didn't believe that he would actually be traded. Or maybe he saw the opportunity to play with the cross-continent marketing sensation that is Jeremy Lin too much of a cash cow to pass up. I can see how twenty million could be seen by many as a hefty price to pay for a chance at a championship, especially when the consensus is that the Heat will be the favorite for years to come. Age and potential chemistry issues notwithstanding, I wouldn't sleep on the new look Lakers either, but, judging by your enthusiasm for their preseason games in earlier postings, I'm sure you know that as well as anybody.
edit: If Harden does become one of the go to guys on the Rockets, he would most likely be able to command a more lucrative contract after this next five year one than the one he would get for being a sixth man, or, at best, third in line after the two real stars on the Thunder.
Like I said, he's 23....If he was 35 and made this decision, then I'd be like oh yeah what an idiot....but he's 23....make money first, then win championships...I'm sure he'll have opportunities down the road to get on a championship contender.
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If you've seen Martin play over the last few years you'd know he's active in passing lanes with quick hands and very fast on his feet since he's only 190lbs at 6'7, he can move. Think throughout his career he pretty much averaged a steal a game, holding a better than average steal to turnover ratio...
The most I'll give up in this is I may have gone overboard in calling him an "excellent" defender, but he is better than average, and in no way a horrible one. ]
Yes, he's great at gambling and getting into passing lanes, averaging a steal per game solely from off-ball defending which is probably due to his long arms....but again, his ON-BALL defense is absolutely horrible....amongst the worst in the league....no joke....
good post Chako, from first reports they were saying the difference was about 10 mill over 5 years, now I'm hearing 20 or 28 ? and 40% of his salary ? where are these rising numbers coming from ?
I made my opinion based on the original 10 that was reported which really is chump change. Well over 20 mill, I don't know, it's a lot of money, but I personally would work it out somehow because money to me isn't important. But if it really IS 40% extra salary, I'm not gonna call that chump change, would make any man reconsider.
ballguy the point you're making about winning championships later, it's a good point, it makes sense for Harden because of the style of his game. He's not a Westbrook or one of those guys who relies on athleticism, he's got smooth old school game, the type of game that can see him playing until he's 40 years old. So yea he'll have a long time to try and win a championship...
I'm pretty sure he knows he's gonna be given the ball 8 outta 10 times in Houston, maybe he wants that, and it's exciting being the man sure.... but that excitement will wear out because losing will get under your skin one way or another.
The way I see it, the Thunder fucked up with the Kendrick Perkins thing, he never quite fit in, and they were in a rush to get big to compete with Lakers front court.... But Collison was noticeably more efficient on the floor than Perk ever has been for them... But they locked up multi year Perk where they not only lost Jeff Green (see his pre-season play right now, he's off the hook) and the money tied up with Perk I'm sure contributed in them not being able to keep Harden.
So you lost two guys, two budging ALL-Stars basically thanks to that move. With all that praise they give the GM Sam Presti, nobody ever called him out for this stupidity and they really should now that it pretty much cost them Harden.
I know what they're doing with Martin that's obvious, but I wonder two things about the Thunder right now, if they're gonna try and turn Jeremy Lamb into a perimeter shutdown defender under Sefolosha's wing, cuz that would be scary them two on your roster as defenders. And if Thabeet is ever gonna grow into his body and man the fck up under Perks wing, because he has SIZE.
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The way I see it, the Thunder fucked up with the Kendrick Perkins thing, he never quite fit in, and they were in a rush to get big to compete with Lakers front court.... But Collison was noticeably more efficient on the floor than Perk ever has been for them... But they locked up multi year Perk where they not only lost Jeff Green (see his pre-season play right now, he's off the hook) and the money tied up with Perk I'm sure contributed in them not being able to keep Harden.
So you lost two guys, two budging ALL-Stars basically thanks to that move. With all that praise they give the GM Sam Presti, nobody ever called him out for this stupidity and they really should now that it pretty much cost them Harden.
You can still call him out. He refused to amnesty Perkins. I guess people are too busy sucking his dick.
Thunder didn't win in this trade. They minimized the loss, if you can call that a win. In this league, you don't trade a dollar for 2 50 cents. They took a step back at the title this year and I'm happy with that.
Eddy Curry is apparently starting for Dallas' opener against the Lakers.... wish him the best, he's pretty beastly on the block.... no Dirk or Chris Kaman.... also Delonte West got waived... i really wonder what happened, he keeps tweeting he didn't do anything
^ ya man, just looking at the schedule right now it's nice and tight, only 3 games... Heat & Celtics is gonna be the only interesting one though... I'd watch the Cavs & Wiz game as well to see Johnny and Kyrie go at it, but I think Wall is injured and not 100%, don't think he's even playing...
gotta watch the replays of the games when I get home though, playing drop in ball at Lanley Events Centre tonight though, pretty sick gym...
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^ ya man, just looking at the schedule right now it's nice and tight, only 3 games... Heat & Celtics is gonna be the only interesting one though... I'd watch the Cavs & Wiz game as well to see Johnny and Kyrie go at it, but I think Wall is injured and not 100%, don't think he's even playing...
gotta watch the replays of the games when I get home though, playing drop in ball at Lanley Events Centre tonight though, pretty sick gym...
I am so excited! I want to see Terry and Lee play!
i read the 100mill over 5 years can't be insured either b/c of his bum knees
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Eddy Curry is apparently starting for Dallas' opener against the Lakers.... wish him the best, he's pretty beastly on the block.... no Dirk or Chris Kaman....
would like to see him get back to when he had that great year in NY instead of the overweight bench rider. it's all good though he won a championship with miami
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^ ya man, just looking at the schedule right now it's nice and tight, only 3 games... Heat & Celtics is gonna be the only interesting one though... I'd watch the Cavs & Wiz game as well to see Johnny and Kyrie go at it, but I think Wall is injured and not 100%, don't think he's even playing...
gotta watch the replays of the games when I get home though, playing drop in ball at Lanley Events Centre tonight though, pretty sick gym...
Yeah wall is injured, he's not playing for awhile. I'm going to watch the heat/celts and mavs/lakers, don't care too much for the cavs/wiz.
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LOL at KG when Allen first checked into the game and he was shaking hands with everyone. He tapped KG on the shoulder and KG didn't even acknowledge him
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