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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul  Does the MLB have a rule saying that steroid is banned? Yes.
Does Forbes list have a rule saying that the money had to have been made legitimately? No. | No, but I'm sure the Criminal Code of America (Forbes Mag.) and Mexico (El Chapo) has a rule regarding narcotic trafficking. Quote:
Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul But again, that's not exactly a very good counter example. | I could very much say your counter example was not a very good one either.
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Originally Posted by Ludepower Agreed...this billionaire drug dealer is no different then the other billionaires commiting white collar crimes. | is this sarcasm? the difference is if one guy leaves his house he might get asked for his autograph and the other might go to jail. that is a big difference.
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03-15-2009, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneThug is this sarcasm? the difference is if one guy leaves his house he might get asked for his autograph and the other might go to jail. that is a big difference. |
i am pretty sure if u committed a white collar crime, u wont expect to go outside and get asked for autograph
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03-15-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Yc i am pretty sure if u committed a white collar crime, u wont expect to go outside and get asked for autograph | Depends of what kind of "white collar" crimes.
Are we talking about corporations that push the letter of the law to maximize tax returns or write offs?
Or are we saying that most Fortune 500 companies are all scammers of Enron proportions?
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03-15-2009, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir No, but I'm sure the Criminal Code of America (Forbes Mag.) and Mexico (El Chapo) has a rule regarding narcotic trafficking. | And this has to do with publishing a name on a list of the world's billionaires how? Quote: |
I could very much say your counter example was not a very good one either.
| I didn't provide a counter example. I provided a response to your example.
I can't believe you two can't get what I've said several times now.
The list is inclusive of all of the world's billionaires.
Is that guy a billionaire?
If the answer is yes, THAT IS ALL THE QUALIFICATION that's required.
There are no IFs or BUTs to being included or excluded from the list.
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03-15-2009, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Yc i am pretty sure if u committed a white collar crime, u wont expect to go outside and get asked for autograph | being suspected of committing a white collar crime and being known as a huge drug lord are also to very large and different distinctions.
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03-15-2009, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul There are no IFs or BUTs to being included or excluded from the list. | And why not when the legitimacy of the wealth is in question?
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03-15-2009, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneThug being suspected of committing a white collar crime and being known as a huge drug lord are also to very large and different distinctions. | ..and at the same time, they shouldn't be.
Don't kid yourself. The crimes of a white collar are very similar if not equivalent to the crimes a drug lord carries out.
Sure people don't die, but if you think about it, I'm sure a lot of people would rather die than to lose their job @ 40 or 50 and have no future prospects with 4 kids and a wife at home that still depend on them.
Oh, who's responsible for this "war on crime/drugs"...oh I dunno..the GOVERNMENT. Durrrr.
Edit: I see your play on words there. Suspect vs known. What's the difference? Time, really. If everyone knows that he's a drug lord..etc all that junk, why doesn't someone just sweep in and take him down?
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03-15-2009, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir But those billionaires earned the right of ownership of those billions. Drug Kingpins have not. If law enforcement was anywhere near adept, their wealth would be stripped. | One could argue, if anything, 'Drug Kingpins' have earned more of a right to ownership, because they can count law enforcement, corruption, and the constant possibility of death as obstacles. Do you really think being in that kind of business, on that kind of scale, is just a matter of buying and selling and making easy money? Wakey wakey, that is not how it works
I don't see how Forbes has any way of confirming numbers with business's that don't file taxes, and have no way of officially declaring earnings though... it loses all credibility by including those types of businesses imo. Probably just an advertising gimmick, I mean we are all talking about Forbes now.
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03-15-2009, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneThug being suspected of committing a white collar crime and being known as a huge drug lord are also to very large and different distinctions. | Yeah, one ruins the lives of thousands of innocent people.
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03-15-2009, 05:27 PM
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You want a counter example?
Here's mine.
What if we were talking about a list of the world's tallest men ever? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallest_woman#Tallest_male
Many of these men had glandular disorders that increased their growth hormones. Should they be excluded from the list because they didn't grow to their height normally?
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03-15-2009, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir And why not when the legitimacy of the wealth is in question? | Using the Bill Gates example a little more, at one point there was the possibility that he could lose his money if he had gotten nailed by the anti-trust suits. And yet they listed him anyways, because he was in possession of the money at the time.
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03-15-2009, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Noir And why not when the legitimacy of the wealth is in question? | Because this list isn't called "The list of the world's billionaires with money made legitimately".
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03-15-2009, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul Because this list isn't called "The list of the world's billionaires with money made legitimately". | You're just arguing pure semantics now. Making the list is all about recognition. Quote:
Originally Posted by antonito Using the Bill Gates example a little more, at one point there was the possibility that he could lose his money if he had gotten nailed by the anti-trust suits. And yet they listed him anyways, because he was in possession of the money at the time. | But the heart of Gate's industry is still computers and was guilty of trying to monopolize the industry. A guy who's worst capability is buying out the opposing company or shares, termination of employment or lawsuits.
Drug Kingpins however 
If that industry does deserve recognition, then I'll just leave it that I'm glad my criterias differ than the rest
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03-15-2009, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul You want a counter example?
Here's mine.
What if we were talking about a list of the world's tallest men ever? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tallest_woman#Tallest_male
Many of these men had glandular disorders that increased their growth hormones. Should they be excluded from the list because they didn't grow to their height normally? | You're saying his counter example was irrelevant, and you retort by comparing human growth (which isn't really under anyones control) with peoples' means of attaining wealth (completely under peoples control)?
This is why I stopped responding.
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Originally Posted by Hyde nammer don't listen to me, they listen to money. do you know how cheap it is to have someone killed in vancouver? let alone a beat down | | |
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Originally Posted by aman23 You dont have to listen to shitty rap music to know that its a business. What else is it? Selling lemonade? This man made possibly a BILLION from his business. Within what he does, there are many risks and its amazing to see that he's still alive with that much money made. HA's, I.S. and all them are not in the business page of the newspaper because they're small time compared to this guy. Many of them make millions, but we're talking billions here. | Yes, it's business ACTIVITIES, but can you call it a legitimate business? I don't really care for how risky it is, or what adversities he had to overcome to become the biggest drug lord in the region. What I do care for, however, is that when I pick up a Forbes, I know that I'm reading content that is legitimate to what a "business magazine" is supposed to offer -- not advertising drug pushing would probably be a start. And yes, I think Forbes has an obligation to be publishing LEGITIMATE business considering what kind of print they are supposed to be.
Just tell me why HA's and I.S. are not on the business section of our LOCAL newspaper if you're talking about big time/small time. The point is, they won't be, because it's not a legitimate business. Same goes for any other print that considers itself to be trustworthy.
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Originally Posted by Hyde nammer don't listen to me, they listen to money. do you know how cheap it is to have someone killed in vancouver? let alone a beat down | | |
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03-15-2009, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chun care to join us? | yes
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Originally Posted by Noir You're just arguing pure semantics now. Making the list is all about recognition. | Not it isn't. You might get recognition from being on it, but the list is all about FACT.
It's a FACT that the guy is a billionaire.
That's all there is to it.
Why is that so hard to understand?
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Originally Posted by chun You're saying his counter example was irrelevant, and you retort by comparing human growth (which isn't really under anyones control) with peoples' means of attaining wealth (completely under peoples control)? | Why is it important whether it's under someone's control or not? Yes, that could be a difference between my example and the billionaire list, but you haven't explained why that is a factor.
So what if the example was the world's largest biceps? I bet some on the list would have used steroids to achieve it.
Would they be excluded from that list?
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This is a list of people who are rich as fuck, this man is in fact rich as fuck. It's as simple as that.
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Originally Posted by chun What I do care for, however, is that when I pick up a Forbes, I know that I'm reading content that is legitimate to what a "business magazine" is supposed to offer | Here, you'd be reading about a list of the world's billionaires.
So you would rather them publish incomplete lists that omit certain elements for arbitrary reasons? Quote: |
not advertising drug pushing would probably be a start.
| Nowhere in the article was there any mention of drugs or anything to do with that guy except for his NAME. You call that advertising drug pushing? That's quite the stretch there. Can you tell me that you know the full business activities of each and every single one of the hundreds of people listed there? No? Then maybe you should research them to find out if there should be any other names that should be excluded. Why is this person in particular such a concern for you? Quote: |
And yes, I think Forbes has an obligation to be publishing LEGITIMATE business considering what kind of print they are supposed to be.
| They have an obligation to publish unbiased factual information. Making a list of the world's billionaires and excluding an individual because of HOW he made his money would put the magazine into serious doubts of credibility.
So here's another counter example.
What if there was a list of the world's longest bridges, and one of the bridges was built using drug money?
Should that bridge be disqualified from such a list?
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Originally Posted by aman23 This is a list of people who are rich as fuck, this man is in fact rich as fuck. It's as simple as that. | EXACTLY.
How fucking hard is it to understand this?
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul Why is it important whether it's under someone's control or not? Yes, that could be a difference between my example and the billionaire list, but you haven't explained why that is a factor.
So what if the example was the world's largest biceps? I bet some on the list would have used steroids to achieve it.
Would they be excluded from that list? | If it was published by a bodybuilding magazine, yes, it would be.
Backfire much?
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul Here, you'd be reading about a list of the world's billionaires.
So you would rather them publish incomplete lists that omit certain elements for arbitrary reasons?
Nowhere in the article was there any mention of drugs or anything to do with that guy except for his NAME. You call that advertising drug pushing? That's quite the stretch there. Can you tell me that you know the full business activities of each and every single one of the hundreds of people listed there? No? Then maybe you should research them to find out if there should be any other names that should be excluded. Why is this person in particular such a concern for you?
They have an obligation to publish unbiased factual information. Making a list of the world's billionaires and excluding an individual because of HOW he made his money would put the magazine into serious doubts of credibility. | What's quite a stretch is how you're justifying how they're publishing "facts", denying the fact that they're publicizing a drug pusher, and the fact that you deny that you're arguing semantics.
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Originally Posted by Hyde nammer don't listen to me, they listen to money. do you know how cheap it is to have someone killed in vancouver? let alone a beat down | | |
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Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul EXACTLY.
How fucking hard is it to understand this? | Things aren't black and white; you guys aren't even looking at WHO posted the "facts" as it's pretty important if you're going to make a point that it's "correct".
It's okay, you both are obviously not going to start taking to account other factors in this debate so there's not really any point to continue. As you were, ladies. 
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