handling/performance doesn't compare

^ they do, but as soon as that interior pic popped up I thought "hey nice Genesis coupe.....wait what?"
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/ge...interior-2.jpg
Damn they look the freaking same other than one having 3 gauges and one has 2...

No the interior doesn't stack up.
http://image.motortrend.com/f/923661...3+interior.jpg

*cough*

"The CTS-V achieved a lap time of 7:59.32 at the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife, which is the fastest documented time for a production sedan on factory tires."

No, doesn't even compare at all....

I don't know much about numbers and that shit. All I'm saying is, when I drive a BMW/Audi, it feels a lot better than when I drive a cadillac. I dunno, I guess that's just one man's opinion then...

thats because your mom is a fucking idiot for buying a cavalier.

One wrong opinion. What's the last Cadillac you've driven? I bet you're ignorantly stating a wrong opinion without having driven one lately.

Shall I highlight the word "imports" in my post. I didn't pick on just Asian imports.

Have you been to San Francisco? I just got back, and can tell you its not much different than here, yet certainly not Dallas where most of the cars are domestic.

Any city (especially port cities) with a significant immigrant population is going to show similar stats.

You can't blame Hyundai for trying to copy Cadillac.


What's so spectacular about that?

cause too many people are morons, and will immediately find a problem with anything with a domestic badge. even if it is a rebadged toyota.

If patriotism is defined as buying a car that benefits a country's economy, you can't just look at GDP. At the end of the day, Toyota (in Japan) reaps the profits from the plants in Canada/US. GDP just measures the total value of goods produced in a country.

Up until 1992, the GNP was used; The GNP measures all domestic outputs regardless of where the products are made.

As for the other aspects; this is so subjective. I'm in agreement that if you can't appreciate something about all brands, you're close-minded.

You might hate the current Hyundai Accent because it has a cheap image, but then again, it's hard to argue that it doesn't have one of the best "Bang for the buck" of any new car.

By the same token, you might hate the CTS-V for not having refinement, a nice interior, or a "euro" look, but you can't dispute the performance.

I didn't "pick" on them either. In fact, I never differentiated in my post between Asian and Euro imports. I was speaking of the immigrant population and Asians stand out as the biggest group of visible immigrants here. The biggest group of immigrants are Europeans however they don't stand out in a mostly Caucasian population so it's hard to say when you see one driving an Audi or Toyota that he/she is an immigrant.

I spend about a month there every year and it's nowhere near the same proportions of imports to domestics over there. They're about equal depending on what part of the city you're in.


NYC, huge amounts of European immigrants yet mostly American cars are driven. Noticed the same thing in Boston as well. BMW's and Mercs aren't as common and there are still a lot of old Cadillacs on the road. I think it has a lot to do with the American dream being shoved down your throat as soon as you enter the country. You know, the little house with the white picket fence for your 1.5 kids and the big American sedan... I'll let you know how it's like in Missoula, MT when I go visit our head office next month... lol

Better than Japanese protectionism, at least people have a choice.

so have you driven one?

Yes...

Perhaps you were so biased that you didn't even try to like the car?

Or perhaps you have never actually driven it and you just said you have so you don't look like you're just making shit up lol

bull fucking shit.

iDrive bitches! :haha:

No that's a joke. But at least BMW always tries to be innovative. Cadillac was like that back in the 90s actually just walk up to those really old barges Cadillac made back in the late 80s early 90s.....then the innovations start to disappear. Then it's just another GM product. :(

Maybe he was like James May. Never understood the point of a CTS-V until he took it up some twisties.

And there are no twisties around here. :haha:

Why would you ask me when you've already decided that I haven't driven it? You're basically telling me that I am not allowed to have the opinion that driving a BMW/Audi feels better than a Cadillac...Cool.

Well, that's your opinion. And we respect that.

But the fact is that the new CTS is at least on par with the 5 series in most aspects. So saying that you dun like it is fine. But saying that it sucks is just ignorant.

But ignorance is bliss? just saying..

Sorry guys, I'm gonna have to agree with him.

Last Caddi I drove was the 2008 CTS. The clutch pedal was very stiff with inconsistent engagement. The shifter was rather clunky and requires a lot of effort and most importantly, it resists smooth, quick gearchanges. Everytime you change the throttle position, the car lets out this strange moaning sound. Fix the powertrain, and shit, cut some weight off and I am all up for the CTS, but until then there is no way I choose it over a 3 series. Keep in mind though, I drove an 08 model so I am not sure if they improved with the 09.

There are plenty. You just need to know where to look. ;)

Motortrend named the Cadillac car of the year, not the BMW.

Personally I'd put more trust on the opinion of a professional car magazine over some dude on Revscene (Kang)

you really have to be insane. If cadillac had better lease rates when I was looking for a car (acura at .9 percent blew it out of the water) i would have purchased the much nicer CTS.