2008 or 2009? The cadillac I drove was also a manual 6-speed CTS DI. I would rather have a 2008 BMW 328i than a 2008 Cadillac CTS. I don't think it's insane for me to say so.

its not insane at all considering the 3 is the bench mark. if other cars are as good thats cool but it doesnt make liking the 3 more a weird thing.

CarAndDriver.com takes the 2008 328i over the 2009 CTS-DI. Are they insane too?

Out of all the cars to compare, you chose the bimmer's interior. bmw's are known for their ugly interiors compared with other german manufactures. But then i guess your trying to make a point, the ugliest german is still better than the prettiest american. =D

The E90 3 Series, which is the current one on the market, was named World Car of the year in 2006. If your comparing the new Cadillac to the out dated 3 series, I believe most people would still pick the out dated 3 series, as many journalist will as well.

Regardless, the original comment was:

"Find me a domestic car that actually competes with a BMW or an Audi "

Clearly there is, the accolades prove it.

But if those people want to live in a shroud of ignorance, then so be it.

sorry to let you know but domestics still do fleet sales to rental car companies. the cars i get for my customers range from domestics to nissans, mazdas, and toyotas. It really depends what the rental car companies want to buy or negotiate.

Ford has scaled back it's rental fleet sales DRASTICALLY. Yes Ford still supplies some rentals, but the majority of them are now Econolines, whereas the majority used to be medium-large sedans.

Toyota has essentially picked up that ball, and will have similar experiences with product depreciation as their ex-rentals start hitting the auction blocks.

This guy I know choose the CTS-V over an AMG C63. And hes never been more happier.

Slalom, skidpad, 1/4mile, 0-60 times are better than any of the German rivals be it M3, M5, M6, AMG.

Its not only about track times, trust me if you are given a GT-R and a Corvette to drive on the track, you would achieve much faster times with the GT-R. Truth of the matter is, unless you're the stig the Corvette is either going to kill you when you try to push it or you will too scared shitless. Not to mention you also get a bumper on the GT-R that doesn't bend from me leaning into it

Except you dont have a sample size, its just submitted by people. There could've been 3213214214 hondas sold and 3000 reported problems. And 23123 fords and 4000 reported problems. Data is useless without a sample size.

lol @ factory tires, that has gotta be the most dictionary copy and past comment lol. The BMWs use off the shelf PS2s. The Cadillac on the other hand uses special patterned and compound PS2s made specifically for the CTS-V. Incase you dont know the PS2s are also found on pretty much an coupe/sedan BMW has to offer. So if you gave the M5 better tires as stock equipment i'm sure it would out lap the CTS-V

Lolololol being in the competition IE price range doesn't make it a competitor. Sorry when i look at cars i look at the FOCUS of the car. In Domestics such as the corvette, its all about the straight line speed, the interior is shit, the trim is crap and every piece of that body feels like plastic.

I'd trade some laptime and straight line for some nice interior and a SICK devillish look.

Wow, and the thread is officially revived. :D

Maybe I'm just oldschool, but after having domestics for 25 years in the family growing up and watching car after car die on us (our record is 140000km), both my sister and I picked up imports as our 1st cars. Sure dumb things have broken here and there, but unlike pretty much every domestic we've had, these ones so far haven't left us stranded on the road repeatedly.

Mind you, I'm only at 88000km right now, so only time will tell. Ask me in a few years. Personally I've sworn off domestics. It took a long time patience to push me over the edge, but now that it's happened, it'll take a while to convince me back, even if their domestics are now 100% reliable. I will admit I am extremely biased against domestics right now, and unless that changes, GM and Chrysler are not getting another dime from me. It's all about perception.

the fastest production sedan now belong to the Panamera

needs good reliability through data or word of mouth
needs good resale value even if i dont plan on selling
needs to look good
needs luxury features. powered everything. sunroof. a/c. cd mp3 radio
needs powerful engine w/ good efficiency
needs to be safe
needs to cheap

but u know that's a lot of work.

just word of mouth and something that everybody already has or want is enough for the purchase

What do you base the M5 with better tires out lapping the CTS-V on the nurburgring on? It's almost 15 seconds slower as is. The difference between the 997 Turbo and GT2 is less than 10 seconds... For some reason an equivalent tire would improve the M5 that much?

Lol corvette is all about straight line speed? You need to get out more my friend

Are you saying the C63 has a nicer interior than the CTS-V? if so :haha::haha::haha::haha:

Oh and BTW thanks for bumping an ancient thread

it's still 9 months later, and anyone who thinks the cadillac has an inferior interior is clearly a moron.

sat in my friends 335i the other day, and it didn't compete, and i sat in his brothers new a4 and it doesn't even come close.

Have you ever driven on the PS2s? they are NOTHING for any performance car. I don't think it will give it the 14s it needs but i can be hopeful on that. When i meant the Corvette is for straight line speed, i meant the people who buy them are really looking for that. Sure it can handle but as the Stig demonstrated most people that are non professional won't be able to throw it around a track like that. And interiors aren't only about feel and look its also about the experience of being inside. The fucking bonging sound on that caddy is annoying at best and the in dash they used looks like it came out of a fisher price toy. Sorry i'm still going to say the C63 Amg interior is better http://preview.subscribers.wardsauto...8-interior.jpg

Not to mention the Cadillac that pulled the 7:59 is also the 09 model with a much bigger engine, 6.2L supercharged V8. If you want to be fair about it compare the current M5 which is going to be replaced soon with the 1st gen Cadillac CTS-V, oh woops those didn't even make it on the fastest times board :( The new M5 is coming 2011 or end of 2010 so we'll see then

ok I don't understand this part, and I hear this all time how Japan has some rules not to sell American cars.

But when I visited Japan, I saw a lot of BMW, Jaguar, Ferrari, Mercedes, and some Lambos.
Not many American cars except Chrysler 300 and Corvette.

Is that because of strict rules towards American vehicle? :confused:

Because they realize how shitty they are and don't want them in their country.

"Patriotic" rednecks are the dumbest people on earth :haha:

If they're so "patriotic" they should stop eating since modern food is grown and processed throughout the world and sold internationally. They should STFU until they grow all their own food.

These same patriotic dickwads should make their own clothes, stop using all electronics, live on the street since their homes ALL contain imported components.

These same dumb fucks that buy only "Domestic cars" because "it's patriotic" should be shot for being so stupid. Their "patriotic" POS cars are made with components and materials sourced from OTHER countries and many are very often ASSEMBLED in other countries LOL!

Theses same people are almost always of lower class who don't understand business and don't understand economics.. or anything pertaining to reason LOL!

So you don't think it's fair to compare a 2009 CTS-V with the current M5 because it's a few years older? Yet you think it's more fair to compare the current M5 with the 1st gen CTS-V that came out years before the M5 did?

Loyalty? To what?

I'm pretty sure my Si was made in Ontario... does that make me loyal to my country?

Loyal to the countries you all came from... though why you came here to begin with, when all you do is fucking bitch about it all day every day, is beyond me.

uh, the 1st gen CTS-V came out 1 and half year earlier than the current M5, the 2nd gen CTS-V is 3.5 years newer than the current M5.

It's still a generation back. When the CTS-V came out, the E60 5 series already came out. At 400hp, the 1st generation CTS-V was developed as competition for the E39 M5.

Why does it matter? Not like any of you will buy one anyways.