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03-27-2009, 12:28 PM
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03-27-2009, 01:18 PM
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What do you think about the GIVE act I pointed out?
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03-27-2009, 01:22 PM
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#28 | | To me, there is the Internet and there is RS
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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000 What do you think about the GIVE act I pointed out? | so you're saying that the united states is becoming more of a fascist state?
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03-27-2009, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandmaster TSE so you're saying that the united states is becoming more of a fascist state? |
If you look at that GIVE bill, and figure they are expanding it to 250,000 credited volunteers, add in that Rahm Emanuel is chief of staff, which his duties include policy and initiatives being brought forward, consider that in his 2006 book he wrote that he wants to see mandatory(read:national draft)universal civil service for 18-25 year olds, and THEN if you read the actual bill, the bill prevents people who are a part of said civil service from protesting legislation or the government. This is in direct violation of people's right to the 1st amendment of the constitution. The right to peaceful protest and free speech.
It is up to you to decide if this is leading from freedom to fascism.
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03-27-2009, 01:55 PM
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#30 | | To me, there is the Internet and there is RS
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i would say it does look like it
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03-27-2009, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandmaster TSE i would say it does look like it |
According to Civic Blues, I am just on another paranoid rant!
Another good example of freedoms being trampled: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...p.html?ref=rss
We, the people, have no idea to what extent our unsecure phonecalls and text messages are being listened to. In much of the US, it is suspected that text messages are ALL being filtered through computers for keywords and phrases. http://www.wired.com/science/discove.../2006/04/70621
"While doing my job, I learned that fiber optic cables from the secret room were tapping into the Worldnet circuits by splitting off a portion of the light signal. I saw this in a design document available to me, entitled "Study Group 3, LGX/Splitter Wiring, San Francisco" dated Dec. 10, 2002. I also saw design documents dated Jan. 13, 2004 and Jan. 24, 2003, which instructed technicians on connecting some of the already in-service circuits to the "splitter" cabinet, which diverts some of the light signal to the secret room. The circuits listed were the Peering Links, which connect Worldnet with other networks and hence the whole country, as well as the rest of the world."
"What is the significance and why is it important to bring these facts to light?
Based on my understanding of the connections and equipment at issue, it appears the NSA is capable of conducting what amounts to vacuum-cleaner surveillance of all the data crossing the internet -- whether that be peoples' e-mail, web surfing or any other data."
Is this going on in Canada, and if it was, would we even know it?
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03-27-2009, 02:56 PM
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Yeah we're going to be living in a Fascist state. In fact we live in a Plutocracy already, much worse than a Goofocracy. Sort that out.
I wouldn't take seriously the political analysis of someone who couldn't tell that being a Republic and a Democracy isn't mutually exclusive.
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03-27-2009, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by CivicBlues
Yeah we're going to be living in a Fascist state. In fact we live in a Plutocracy already, much worse than a Goofocracy. Sort that out.
I wouldn't take seriously the political analysis of someone who couldn't tell that being a Republic and a Democracy isn't mutually exclusive. |
I used to think you were smarter, now I know better.
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03-27-2009, 03:16 PM
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#34 | | linguistic ninja
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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000 I used to think you were smarter, now I know better. | You used to think. Now you know.  | |
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03-27-2009, 03:17 PM
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It's pretty funny that when I point out the facts, all he can do is try and post some sassy facepalm picture. I don't think Civic Blues really has the education or intelligence above that of your average digg.com troll. I will accept your facepalm as your way of waving a white flag.
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03-27-2009, 03:18 PM
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03-27-2009, 03:36 PM
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#37 | | linguistic ninja
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Jason, what is your problem?
You pose a question to RS: "What is better, a Republic or a Democracy?"
I correct you in stating that you can't compare the two because they aren't mutally exclusive. I give examples to the point.
Instead of taking my corrections to heart and shutting up, you completely IGNORE the facts I just posted and go on a rant about the previous and current US administrations. Then you conclude in your infinite wisdom that "I think a Republic is better than a Democracy"
It's like i'm talking to a little kid:
Lil Jason: "Daddy, which is better? Cookies or Butterflies?
Daddy: Well, son they totally different things. Cookies are a foodstuff, butterflies are a type of animal.
Lil Jason: I hate butterflies!! I think cookies are better.
You tell me what I should reply to with other than facepalm?
You know what? fuck it, I'm done trying to correct your stupidity. Stay ignorant for all I care.
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03-27-2009, 03:39 PM
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#38 | | RS controls my life!
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Could the "American business partner" of yours simply have worded his statement incorrectly and meant that America is now run by the Democratic party, rather than the Republican party?
Just a thought.
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03-27-2009, 04:09 PM
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#39 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000 It's pretty funny that when I point out the facts, all he can do is try and post some sassy facepalm picture. I don't think Civic Blues really has the education or intelligence above that of your average digg.com troll. I will accept your facepalm as your way of waving a white flag. | Seriously dude, you are simply a moron.
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03-28-2009, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CivicBlues Jason, what is your problem?
You pose a question to RS: "What is better, a Republic or a Democracy?"
I correct you in stating that you can't compare the two because they aren't mutally exclusive. I give examples to the point.
Instead of taking my corrections to heart and shutting up, you completely IGNORE the facts I just posted and go on a rant about the previous and current US administrations. Then you conclude in your infinite wisdom that "I think a Republic is better than a Democracy"
It's like i'm talking to a little kid:
Lil Jason: "Daddy, which is better? Cookies or Butterflies?
Daddy: Well, son they totally different things. Cookies are a foodstuff, butterflies are a type of animal.
Lil Jason: I hate butterflies!! I think cookies are better.
You tell me what I should reply to with other than facepalm?
You know what? fuck it, I'm done trying to correct your stupidity. Stay ignorant for all I care. |
How can I be ignorant when I know more about this subject than you? Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago, had this to say about Democracy: " A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship."
In complaining about how the US has moved away from the Republic for which it stands, my friend has seen that it is now edging closer to a pure democracy, moving AWAY from the Republic. How? It is disregarding the rule of law, or rule of the constitution. There are people actively trying to remove the rules of the electoral college, and allow citizens to vote in a president based purely on the number of votes. This removes some of the checks and balances put in place by a republic, and would push the country towards democracy.
If there are laws setup in the constitution, and those laws are disregarded, or broken, and there is nothing done to those leaders who trample the constitution, what government do you have?
A Republic cannot last if the laws are ignored.
I will continue to hold your little hand if I need to, but the US has headed down the path to becoming a pure democracy, where the mob rules and constitutional law is disregarded.
My original question of Democracy VS Republic was meant to see if people here knew what the differences and benefits of each are. The US is a Republic with democratically elected representatives, as well, there were many anti-democracy measures taken by the founding fathers to ensure the US never collapsed into mob rule.(democracy). The founding fathers did NOT want a democracy.
The original first amendment in the bill of rights was proposed by congress but never ratified, was designed to figure out the number of representatives by population size. If you have too few representitives, you have too few people representing the people. ( Oligarchy ), if you have too many representatives, you have democracy and mob rule. A republic had been seen as the right balance that prevented the elite from controlling all the power, but avoided the mob rule of democracy.
Democracy
- Rights come from the people
- Government grants rights
- Rights are privilages
- Centralized power(majority of votes)
Republic
- Rights are inherent
- Government protects rights
- Rights are inalienable
- Checks and balances(electoral college)
Should I continue to educate you on the differences between a Democracy and a Republic?
"I correct you in stating that you can't compare the two because they aren't mutally exclusive."
I believe the US Constitution and the comments of the founding fathers can correct you on which system of government is better.
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03-28-2009, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by europeeing Could the "American business partner" of yours simply have worded his statement incorrectly and meant that America is now run by the Democratic party, rather than the Republican party?
Just a thought. |
Incorrect, after speaking with him again, he is upset that constitutional law is being ignored time and time again.
The recent threats to enact a 90% tax on the AIG bonus payouts was AGAIN in violation of the constitution, and giving in to mob rule.(democracy)
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03-30-2009, 11:09 AM
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#42 | | linguistic ninja
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Jason, if you want to supplant the modern definition of those words with the 18th Century one then by all means, if that makes you feel better about yourself.
It only underscores the fact that you're one of the dumbest "informed" morons to ever grace this forum since TheOne aka GunMetalTeg.
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03-30-2009, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CivicBlues Jason, if you want to supplant the modern definition of those words with the 18th Century one then by all means, if that makes you feel better about yourself.
It only underscores the fact that you're one of the dumbest "informed" morons to ever grace this forum since TheOne aka GunMetalTeg. |
You have lost. I present factual information, and you do nothing but try and duck under your cover of ignorance.
Despite what you think, the ideas of freedom and liberty have not changed since the 18th century.
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03-30-2009, 11:50 AM
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#44 | | linguistic ninja
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uhh yes they have. In the 18th Century, "The People" only meant land owning free whites. As have the common definition of the words "Democracy" and "Republic"
You haven't presented any facts that are relevant to your argument.
At least two other people in this thread have stated you are a moron. Your victory is only self-proclaimed at best, and most likely delusional.
I Win.
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03-30-2009, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CivicBlues uhh yes they have. In the 18th Century, "The People" only meant land owning free whites. As have the common definition of the words "Democracy" and "Republic"
You haven't presented any facts that are relevant to your argument.
At least two other people in this thread have stated you are a moron. Your victory is only self-proclaimed at best, and most likely delusional.
I Win. |
Most people are completely ignorant of WHY the US chose a democratic Republic over a pure Democracy at the beginning. The people posting in this thread are completely unaware of the consequences to trampling on the constitution and where it leads America.
First you call me delusional on my fears that freedom is being stepped on, freedoms granted by what the US was founded as, a constitutional Republic.
Then you ignore the facts I posted on the changes that Obama is pushing forward that trample the constitution, moving the US towards a pure Democracy, which will lead to an Oligarchy. Then again, with one of the highest ranking members of the New York Federal Reserve Bank taking a lead position in the Federal Treasury department, we may already be there!
Now you are just trying to prop up a "racist" strawman, since you have absolutely NO other means to debate me. I have pimpslapped away your accusations of delusion. You haven't presented any facts that are relevant to your argument.
You never read the post on the GIVE act, and the implications of it.
You are just too reactionary to realize that the constitution protects against tyranny. The US republic is based on folowing the laws of the constitution, rather than pure democracy, which is mob rule.
The constitution is being ignored.
This will lead to tyranny.
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03-30-2009, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason00S2000 If you look at that GIVE bill, and figure they are expanding it to 250,000 credited volunteers, add in that Rahm Emanuel is chief of staff, which his duties include policy and initiatives being brought forward, consider that in his 2006 book he wrote that he wants to see mandatory(read:national draft)universal civil service for 18-25 year olds, and THEN if you read the actual bill, the bill prevents people who are a part of said civil service from protesting legislation or the government. This is in direct violation of people's right to the 1st amendment of the constitution. The right to peaceful protest and free speech.
It is up to you to decide if this is leading from freedom to fascism. | Well for ppl who don't know, this is a volunteer bill that provides funding to organizations and offers incentives to students who/that want to give back to their communities. You make it sound like Obama has ulterior motives in his quest for ultimate power. This sucker of a bill passed 321-105 in the House and 79-19 in the Senate BTW, and that prohibition (from protesting, etc) clause was an amendment introduced by a House Rep if i'm not mistaken. Most rational ppl would call it due diligence, but you can interpret the legalese to however it's best suited for you to mislead ppl, i guess.
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03-31-2009, 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by goo3 Well for ppl who don't know, this is a volunteer bill that provides funding to organizations and offers incentives to students who/that want to give back to their communities. You make it sound like Obama has ulterior motives in his quest for ultimate power. This sucker of a bill passed 321-105 in the House and 79-19 in the Senate BTW, and that prohibition (from protesting, etc) clause was an amendment introduced by a House Rep if i'm not mistaken. Most rational ppl would call it due diligence, but you can interpret the legalese to however it's best suited for you to mislead ppl, i guess. |
Due diligence to prevent people from exercising their 1st amendment right to preaceful protest?
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03-31-2009, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by goo3 You make it sound like Obama has ulterior motives in his quest for ultimate power. |
Rahm Emanuel, his Chief of Staff, wrote in his 2006 book that he would like to see a national draft of 18-25 year olds to serve their county for 2 years. If this fell under the GIVE program, it would prevent these draftees from protesting.
If that isn't a rear naked choke on lady liberty, what is?
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