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wasabisashimi · 05-19-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by imiaKe

Ok dude do you know anything about your dogs breed?

Jindo are considered to be one of the most agressive dogs and are extremely territorial. Hence why they are used as guard dogs. Any dog they see they will bark and growl a lot. I raised 6 Jindos and my uncles family is one of the top breeders of Jindo in Korea. These are agressive dogs and are known to hunt animals down in packs. Yes it is true. You have to socialize your dog if you don't that dog will bite anyone it dosn't know and try to growl and attack other dogs. Mine did this. Strangely enough its the femals who are a bit more aggresive toward other dogs. Males tend to stand thier ground and make themselves look bigger by puffin their chest out a bit (strange yes I know). Also if you bought your Jindo in the Vancouver area please have it checked for genetic disorders which include skin disorders and leg problems. The Jindos in the Vancouver area have been inbreed like crazy. So a high percentage of them do have an underlying problem. Jindos also need know whose boss or they will mock you .. they will. Also they don't seem to bother with small dogs unless the small dog is yappy .. then becareful becuase Ive seen Jindos attack their own young when they were yappy or seen as weak.

If you have any questions you can message me

Btw shiba is way different from a Jindo.. personality wise. Jindos are considered quite aggressive while Shibas are more timid. Japanese bred the Shiba from Jindos back when they occupied Korea

Wow thank you so much. Sounded like my puppy for sure, except he isn't that aggressive, just sometimes with other dogs.

One other thing is that my jindo is extremely stubborn and you cant force it to do something like: " come here". Many times it just won't listen to you and will run away.

It's also crazy about Bones, when it finds or is given a bone, keep a distance, or it will growl at anyone, even me the owner. Other foods he is ok, he won't growl at dog food, food bowl, water bowl or any other treats except bone.

Strange little bugger.

ELITE_TRAYUNZE · 05-19-2009, 01:39 PM

I think most dogs are like that originally over bones or whatever. You have to teach him not to. It seems scary, but if you are scared of your dog, he'll sense it in you and it will just tell him that he's the leader. I have a rottweiler/pitbull/mastiff cross. He used to do the same but I put him in his place right away and every now and then he challenges me and I have to put him back in his place again.

rsx · 05-19-2009, 01:51 PM

Dogs become more aggressive with real bones or raw food, it just triggers their primal instincts.

Don't just take your dog out to "pee" - that's a secondary objective. Your primary objective is to tire him out and LEAD him. Excercise and activities give a dog purpose and establishes a social hierarchy.

Just like in the wild, dogs will roam their territory, eat then sleep.

Lil Bastrd · 05-19-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rsx

Dogs become more aggressive with real bones or raw food, it just triggers their primal instincts.

What ? Do explain where you found the studies to prove this. I have been using raw food and raw meaty bones for years. None of my dogs have been more aggressive then ones that aren't given raw/bones.
Yes if you never interact with your dog when they are eating then they can become aggressive/guard food and chew items. I don't see where the correlation comes from that links food aggression with raw food. Please let me know if there is documented information on this.

imiaKe · 05-20-2009, 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by wasabisashimi

Wow thank you so much. Sounded like my puppy for sure, except he isn't that aggressive, just sometimes with other dogs.

One other thing is that my jindo is extremely stubborn and you cant force it to do something like: " come here". Many times it just won't listen to you and will run away.

It's also crazy about Bones, when it finds or is given a bone, keep a distance, or it will growl at anyone, even me the owner. Other foods he is ok, he won't growl at dog food, food bowl, water bowl or any other treats except bone.

Strange little bugger.

NEVER EVER TAKE THIER BONES

All my jindos ... I took care of them since they were pups. My father and I were the only ones who were "allowed" to take away they food bowl with out getting bitten.... but when it came to the bones. I nearly lost my hand my dad got a nice nip from one as well........ They are obsessive over bones and chew it until they are gone. Generally we gave our dogs the left over bones from having Kalbi hich they love or just regular dog bones once a week.

Jindos are extrememly stubborn and don't like being called on. Unless you walk away they start to follow you. Since its still young it might try to "venture" out on its own. But be careful becuase I lost one at capilano salmon hatchery before. Bloody dog wanted to explore or something and ran off. But since he was a big pussy he ran back to the parking lot... hahaha

But around the age 1 year becareful of hairloss. Vancouver Jindos seems to have a high rate of hair loss. Usually starts around the chest area. They sometimes become almost bald there. It starts to get itcky and red.

Remember socialize your dog with people alot. If you don't he will turn aggressive. Its jindo personality. My uncle socializes his dogs becuase if you don't after a year or so their only nice to family thats it everyone else is an intruder. Hence why they make awesome guard dogs

imiaKe · 05-20-2009, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lil Bastrd

What ? Do explain where you found the studies to prove this. I have been using raw food and raw meaty bones for years. None of my dogs have been more aggressive then ones that aren't given raw/bones.
Yes if you never interact with your dog when they are eating then they can become aggressive/guard food and chew items. I don't see where the correlation comes from that links food aggression with raw food. Please let me know if there is documented information on this.

I agree with lil bastard

None of my dogs made a diff from a real bone to a chew bone. Its all the same. Try to take the bone .... bye bye hand

ELITE_TRAYUNZE · 05-20-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by imiaKe

NEVER EVER TAKE THIER BONES

All my jindos ... I took care of them since they were pups. My father and I were the only ones who were "allowed" to take away they food bowl with out getting bitten.... but when it came to the bones. I nearly lost my hand my dad got a nice nip from one as well........ They are obsessive over bones and chew it until they are gone.

I don't agree with this. You should be able to take anything from your dog at anytime. Like I said, I have a rottweiler/pitbull/mastiff cross and he used to do the same thing. It would get scary if I tried to take his bone away. He would do this growl as if he was gonna absolutely go ape shit if I took the bone away from him, and the first couple times he actually did go ape shit. But with a quick response I would snap his collar and hold him down and tell him to sit.

Today, I can take his bone or anything else away from him whenever I want and he will let me. I usually do it just to test him and I usually give it back to him. You have to build trust with your dog. That's the only way they will listen to you.

imiaKe · 05-20-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ELITE_TRAYUNZE

I don't agree with this. You should be able to take anything from your dog at anytime. Like I said, I have a rottweiler/pitbull/mastiff cross and he used to do the same thing. It would get scary if I tried to take his bone away. He would do this growl as if he was gonna absolutely go ape shit if I took the bone away from him, and the first couple times he actually did go ape shit. But with a quick response I would snap his collar and hold him down and tell him to sit.

Today, I can take his bone or anything else away from him whenever I want and he will let me. I usually do it just to test him and I usually give it back to him. You have to build trust with your dog. That's the only way they will listen to you.

Jindos are a bit fiesty and dont like when things are taken from them. I had one jindo she was the best dog ever. Had her over 8 years and she still wouldn't let me take her bone away. She bit everyone except for me when we tried to take her bone away. Our dogs never went ape shit they just straight out bite you. They went through the training and were very obdient dogs but jsut when it came to the bone they all tried to bite you. I once had a puppy when I took his bone away he actually clung on to as I held it up refuing to let go. He then took a chunk of my shoe after. I miss that little bugger he passed away few years back T_T

Grandma disciplined the dogs alot.. she had to goto the hospital a few times to get stitches. Jindos don't like being disciplined a lot they will run away or attack you.

ELITE_TRAYUNZE · 05-21-2009, 12:23 AM

Yeah,

I'm saying my rotti/pitbull was the same way. He'd lock his teeth onto the bone, and start doing this really scary growl. I'd have to pry open his jaws with my hand and when I finally he did he'd try and chop at my hand right away. I'd give a huge tug to the leash. If he didn't figure it out from there, I'd hold him down and hold his mouth shut while he was still trying to bite me. I'd hold his mouth shut and tell him "WRONG!!", until he'd calm down.

Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your dog. But personally, I would NEVER think it's "okay" for my dog to attack me or any1 else for any reason. I definitly wouldn't back down from an issue. If theirs a problem, I will make sure it gets solved, no matter what it takes. I'm sure if my pitbull/rotti can learn to allow me or any1 else to take something from him without attacking, a jindo can too. But hey what do I do know.

Lil Bastrd · 05-21-2009, 11:53 AM

I'd have to agree certain breeds tend to have certain traits. That doesn't mean they can't be taught to change the pattern. With breeds that tend to be possesive/aggressive towards food or toys I play alot of trade games. I give them a bone let them have it for five minutes then come back over with a piece of steak or something really yummy. Certain traits in every breed will always be there. You can manipulate their reaction. As a dog owner you can choose to excuse trait behaviours or modify the reaction.

ELITE_TRAYUNZE · 05-21-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Bastrd

I'd have to agree certain breeds tend to have certain traits. That doesn't mean they can't be taught to change the pattern. With breeds that tend to be possesive/aggressive towards food or toys I play alot of trade games. I give them a bone let them have it for five minutes then come back over with a piece of steak or something really yummy. Certain traits in every breed will always be there. You can manipulate their reaction. As a dog owner you can choose to excuse trait behaviours or modify the reaction.

Oh yeah, right. I forgot, I used to show him a treat as well and command "drop it". That's how he learned "drop it." :-D

rsx · 05-22-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Bastrd

What ? Do explain where you found the studies to prove this. I have been using raw food and raw meaty bones for years. None of my dogs have been more aggressive then ones that aren't given raw/bones.
Yes if you never interact with your dog when they are eating then they can become aggressive/guard food and chew items. I don't see where the correlation comes from that links food aggression with raw food. Please let me know if there is documented information on this.

Sorry, upon reading my post, should've been more clear. I don't have any peer-reviewed journals to cite, but based on the context of this conversation, fairly aggressive/insecure dogs will have a higher tendency to act more aggressive when eating raw food. I've had experiences with dogs as a volunteer at the SPCA and spent some time with various other dogs (with raw/non-raw diet).

On the flip side, some dogs remain completely docile and non-aggressive.

But, based on his dogs, already, aggressive personality (due to improper training), raw food/bone might not be the best choice for now.

imiaKe · 05-23-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ELITE_TRAYUNZE

Yeah,

I'm saying my rotti/pitbull was the same way. He'd lock his teeth onto the bone, and start doing this really scary growl. I'd have to pry open his jaws with my hand and when I finally he did he'd try and chop at my hand right away. I'd give a huge tug to the leash. If he didn't figure it out from there, I'd hold him down and hold his mouth shut while he was still trying to bite me. I'd hold his mouth shut and tell him "WRONG!!", until he'd calm down.

Obviously, you can do whatever you want with your dog. But personally, I would NEVER think it's "okay" for my dog to attack me or any1 else for any reason. I definitly wouldn't back down from an issue. If theirs a problem, I will make sure it gets solved, no matter what it takes. I'm sure if my pitbull/rotti can learn to allow me or any1 else to take something from him without attacking, a jindo can too. But hey what do I do know.

Yea i would have to wrestle my dog before but she can take me down pretty easy even though she was small .. but then i was small as well .. hahahaha only time she let go was when i pretended to cry she come lick my face then go after the bone again

My dogs were guard dogs so the aggressive trait was emphasized but not towards family. They were all friendly with family except for my brother they all hated him. They wont bite him but they wouldnt pay attention or acknowledge him.

But like rsx said i wouldnt start with the raw hide treats when training the jindo maybe toys first then last thing would be a raw hide as it is the most difficult to get out of their mouths. But its nice having them enterntaing themselves for hours.. lol

Lil Bastrd · 05-25-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rsx

Sorry, upon reading my post, should've been more clear. I don't have any peer-reviewed journals to cite, but based on the context of this conversation, fairly aggressive/insecure dogs will have a higher tendency to act more aggressive when eating raw food. I've had experiences with dogs as a volunteer at the SPCA and spent some time with various other dogs (with raw/non-raw diet).

On the flip side, some dogs remain completely docile and non-aggressive.

But, based on his dogs, already, aggressive personality (due to improper training), raw food/bone might not be the best choice for now.

To a dog that is food possessive it isn't that it's raw that's the issue. If you gave them a smoked bone (so cooked) or a cooked meal that they loved as much you would see the same reaction. Yes a dog that is possessive of raw might not be with kibble, but that just shows u his thoughts on the kibble. If the dog is willing to give it away then he'd rather starve then eat it.
It's the same with dogs who are toy possessive, their may be certian toys that they don't gaurd.

Jasdip · 06-23-2009, 09:41 PM

obiedience school

J____ · 06-24-2009, 01:43 AM

my min pin got alot more aggressive after he got neutered. He's insane. anyone wanna meet up and have a dog fight? haha jk.

he barks and growls and tries to attach all dogs, and most ppl. is better now but still pretty bad. anyone knw how to tie the leash ceasar makes with the rope? i need one of those badly.

WHEYsted · 06-24-2009, 01:54 PM

What is the point of this thread? You talk about how aggresive you dog is and ask people for a dog fight. Then ask where to get a Ceasar rope? Random Moron.

J____ · 06-24-2009, 11:21 PM

erm.. obviously i was joking about the dog fight. and yes, i do want a ceasar rope so i can have a better grasp of controlling and conditioning my dog to get rid of his anger problem. Calm down junior.

Lil Bastrd · 06-25-2009, 01:31 PM

the slip collars can be useful and cause more issues. You have to be comfortable using them and fast. They tighten and loosen like a choke chain. Except they can become extremely loose quickly. Best bet is to get one that has a stopper that you can adjust, so that the leash can't loosen too far.

WHEYsted · 06-25-2009, 04:03 PM

^ LOL. sorry about the older post. I was pissed at my academic performance in school.

J____ · 06-25-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lil Bastrd

the slip collars can be useful and cause more issues. You have to be comfortable using them and fast. They tighten and loosen like a choke chain. Except they can become extremely loose quickly. Best bet is to get one that has a stopper that you can adjust, so that the leash can't loosen too far.

any recommendations on where to get a good one?