Police and ICBC come together for speed limit enforcement

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

why dont you fucking elaborate your theory than


how a massive 6 pot BBK with sticky performance tires will NOT fucking outperform a stupid van's 1800kg breaking distance with some shitty OEM all season

[jlo mein]

Originally Posted by greendb7

They're comparing some really stupid things
151 only sounds like a high number cuz it's a standalone number
so 151 people in about how many people in total in BC die each year?
that can't be compared to murders etc because a lot more people drive, than people who attempt murder
in order for those 2 to be comparable, lets say for example 80% of people in BC drive, then 80% of people in BC also have to attempt murder on a daily basis for the rate of 151 deaths in a year to be comparable to the amount of murders and crap
damn government is just throwing stupid numbers and shit out there

Keep in mind it is a lot easier for cops to pull over speeders who could accidentally kill versus trying to arrest a person who may commit a violent murder in the future (or track down someone who has already murdered).

[int36ra]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

Bull fucking shit.

Gotta log off as I'm busy, but when I get back I'm going to show you just how fucking stupid your comment is.

BTW, this is the reason we have problems with speeders - it's idiots with sports cars or modified cars that think their car has limits that go well beyond the average car, when in fact you'd be lucky if your vehicle can perform a measly 20% better (discounting acceleration which is always significantly better).

04 Dodge Grand Caravan
60-0 mph 140 feet [http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2346.shtml]

09 Bmw M3
60-0 mph 105 feet [http://www.germancarzone.com/3-serie...erm-test.html]

You're stopping 35 feet shorter in the M3 than in a Caravan.. in a situation that requires hard breaking, tell me that the "idiot" in the sports car doesn't have a better chance of hitting the car infront of them.

[Drift_Monkey]

thread is a few more posts awar from reaching fight club =).

[ericthehalfbee]

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

[TheSalesman]

I just drove to cali and vegas a few weeks ago. There were many people driving above the posted limit. Usuaully around 10-15mph over. Some areas were 85mph and there were a few people passing me. After 40+ hours of driving on the hwy, I got blocked out once by 2 slow cars. But other then that, they get out of the way. Much better traffic system down there. But the vegas strip was brutal.

[hk20000]

But they still radar gun you under Alderbridge on Knight...... I don't think that's informed at all hahaha.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Jah Al Zawahiri

VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Speeders are the big targets this time around. ICBC's Nicolas Jimenez says police won't just be 'cherry picking' throughout the areas where people usually drive fast.

He says they'll be using information from ICBC to concentrate enforcement efforts where most accidents happen. "So we can really do intelligence-lead policing, and an intelligence-lead road safety programming."

you mean they never did that before?! wth

[BNR32_Coupe]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

I want to know what made you think I was comparing a sports car speeding to an average car driving the limit? Please quote it, bold, size 7 font because I'm apparently blind or stupid.

I think if you sat down and thought it out before posting, you'd realize that evidently it's more logical to compare a speeding minivan to a speeding sports car. I'm not here to debate if speeding is safe or not. Basically my point was, should you choose to speed, you'll stop sooner in a sports car.

Next time before you reply to my posts, do these 3 simple things:
Stop. Think. Then post.

[Noizz]

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

You don't spend much time on the highway, do you? I see more MINIVANS and jacked-up PICKUPS going WAY higher over the speed limit, than anything else on the Abbotsford-Chilliwack stretch when I drive it for work.

You want to make a valid comparison, throw in the 80-0 for the '04 Caravan and a '99 F250 with 8" lift and oversized mud tires, cuz those redneck mofos and stressed soccer moms are the most lead-footed psychos on the road.

[bengy]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

Fuck are you guys stupid. Of course a sports car travelling at the same speed as a minivan will stop shorter.

What we're talking about is if a sports car travelling at a higher speed can still stop in the same distance as a regular car. BNR32_Coupe said yeah, well, if i do 80 in a 50 zone, my braking distance is still substantially less in my sports car than a regular family sedan.


Since int36ra brought up the M3, I'll include that car.

These numbers are from Road and Track.

M3 60-0 113 ft
M3 80-0 195 ft

F430 Scud 60-0 110 ft
F430 Scud 80-0 185 ft

The Dodge Caravan shown above 60-0 140 ft.

So an M3 and one of the world's best sports cars (F430) driving a measly 20mph (or about 30 km/h) over the highway speed limit take a whopping 45-55 feet longer to stop than Dodge Caravan doing the speed limit.


Yet the people who drive cars like this always think they can drive along at much higher speeds because my car is made to handle these speeds or my car handles like it's on rails. You ask anyone with a Porsche or BMW and they'll tell you doing 130 km/h on the highway (100 km/h limit) is nothing.


I want to know how BNR32_Coupe came up with the conclusion his sports car can stop shorter from 80 than a normal car can from 50.

Holy fuck you're an idiot. What, Caravan drivers don't speed? If you bother to read and then stop and think about what you've just read, go for a half hour break and then finally begin comprehending what just happened, you would realize that what everyone is saying is the fact a sports car that is speeding will stop quicker than a regular shitbox minivan that is speeding.

GG retard.

[CanadaGoose]

Speed limits need to be updated...this isn't the 80's anymore

It's written as one of the official guidelines governing appropriate speed limits that "the speed limit should feel fast to the majority of drivers, otherwise it is not an upper limit"

[CanadaGoose]

And keep this thread clean please.

Thank you

[SumAznGuy]

What everyone seems to forget is that those 60-0 distances are in best case senarios in the dry. How many cars on the road have tires that are properly inflated? How about tires that have decent tread? Or tires that are no 10 years old and all hard and cracked.

And then, keep in mind that some of the drivers on the road are older and have slower eye sight and slower reaction times.

The problem with increasing speed limits is that these drivers will take more distance to react to a situation, and their poorly maintained cars will take longer than a normal car to slow down.

Hell, in an emergency situation, going 120 km/h, the same corrola/caravan might not have the brakes to stop properly.

[hk20000]

There's the saying that speed limits are set for best fuel efficiency on the highway.... So whatever the year this number doesn't magically change unless suddenly air got thinner or average cars' aerodynamic improved drastically over the years.

A 1993 Mitsubishi Galant has Cd of 0.28 and a 2009 Mitsubishi Galant is well over Cd 0.30 so there has been arguably zero improvement in that department for your "average" car. So there is very little reason to up the speedlimit.

It's not the speed limit that people don't like, it's the bs excuses the media and the police like to use to justify ticketing you for speeding that is annoying. If the police department come out to say "yes we ticket you coz that's like.....free money" then it's probably less annoying to have them enforced.

In theory if you have wallet big enough the speed limits out there are no more than a suggestion in Canada. Unlike in Asia if you are 50+ km/h over you are handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car and get license suspended for like a freaking year, and then you have your car impounded. I think we have it good already.

[wstce92]

The real reason they haven't increased the speed limit isn't because of braking distance or deaths or anything
It's because then they'd get less money from speeding tickets

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by hk20000

In theory if you have wallet big enough the speed limits out there are no more than a suggestion in Canada. Unlike in Asia if you are 50+ km/h over you are handcuffed and thrown into the back of the police car and get license suspended for like a freaking year, and then you have your car impounded. I think we have it good already.

A few tickets/year here and your BC license is in jeopardy.

And your Asia example sounds a lot like Ontario. Give it a few years and that mentality will keep moving west.

[q0192837465]

Originally Posted by wstce92

The real reason they haven't increased the speed limit isn't because of braking distance or deaths or anything
It's because then they'd get less money from speeding tickets

I totally agree. We have to realize that speed ticket is a source of revenue. And as a business, ur goal is to maximize revenue. Therefore, why would they do something that'll cause their revenue to go down. Money always comes first, human lifes r dsposable.

1 death is a tragic, 100 deaths is a statistic

[Poonpee]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

What everyone seems to forget is that those 60-0 distances are in best case senarios in the dry. How many cars on the road have tires that are properly inflated? How about tires that have decent tread? Or tires that are no 10 years old and all hard and cracked.

And then, keep in mind that some of the drivers on the road are older and have slower eye sight and slower reaction times.

The problem with increasing speed limits is that these drivers will take more distance to react to a situation, and their poorly maintained cars will take longer than a normal car to slow down.

Hell, in an emergency situation, going 120 km/h, the same corrola/caravan might not have the brakes to stop properly.

Thats why we have 2 or more lanes on hwy. Plus its the driver's responsibility to keep their car well maintained, they shouldnt be on the road with their bold tires or worn out break pads.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Poonpee

Thats why we have 2 or more lanes on hwy. Plus its the driver's responsibility to keep their car well maintained, they shouldnt be on the road with their bold tires or worn out break pads.

Yes, but there are ytons of cars on the road that have no right to be on the road. How many people do you know that put 87 octane in the premium only cars cause it is cheaper?

Or people who do not do oil changes in their cars?

There are kids out there that save up all their money to buy their first car and can barely afford the gas and insurance. Do you think they can afford to buy new tires?

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.

How many people know that a brand new tire only has a 6 year shelf life? After 6 years, even if there are lots of tread left, the tire should be replaced.

[Poonpee]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

Yes, but there are ytons of cars on the road that have no right to be on the road. How many people do you know that put 87 octane in the premium only cars cause it is cheaper?

Or people who do not do oil changes in their cars?

There are kids out there that save up all their money to buy their first car and can barely afford the gas and insurance. Do you think they can afford to buy new tires?

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.

How many people know that a brand new tire only has a 6 year shelf life? After 6 years, even if there are lots of tread left, the tire should be replaced.

Yes, i have seen them speeding as well but increasing or lowing the speed limit wont cause them to stay off the road. There should be a law that could suspend their license due to poorly maintainace.

As for you co worker she could stay on the slow lane or take the public transit.

[Mancini]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

My femaie co-worker needed 1 new tire cause her old tire developed a blister. The shop tried to save her money by getting her a used tire. Well, upon close inspection, the tire was all hard and was starting to dry crack.

Originally Posted by Poonpee

As for you co worker she could stay on the slow lane or take the public transit.

The coworker should put an appropriate tire on her car or not be driving it at all. The "slow lane" is not the place to relegate decrepit vehicles.

[Poonpee]

Originally Posted by Mancini

The coworker should put an appropriate tire on her car or not be driving it at all. The "slow lane" is not the place to relegate decrepit vehicles.

ofcuz i know that but wat i meant was thats the least thing she should do

[spenny]

I have no problem with it. I dont use a fancy radar detector to prevent me from getting speeding tickets, I just pay attention. Dont just look at the bumper of the car in front of you; look behind you, check all of your mirrors, look down the road, look up the streets you cross, look around at intersections, look in driveways. Pay attention to your surroundings and I bet you'll see that cop (usually pretty easy to spot; white crown vic, lights on roof, blue and red stripes) before he sees you. Then again if you drive like an asshole in a riced out car with a big fart can, you'll stand out like a sore thumb.