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wahyinghung 06-20-2009 01:17 PM

Bring a chest full of gold and guns..........

BNR32_Coupe 06-20-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CRS (Post 6473845)
I enjoy your hypocrisy. Too bad reading comprehension > you. I never crowned myself the winner. But I do accept your apology. :)

evidently the hypocrisy was used for imitating your posts in a cynical way, but i guess we can't count on you to figure that one out, thats why im a being a nice guy and helping you out by writing this post. hopefully you can learn a thing or two.

reading comprehension > you. <-- the irony in this is that you werent using proper writing structures to create a sentence, which would mean you can't comprehend reading yourself. i know i know, you'll rebuttal with "well you can't read which is why i wrote it like that" we both know i know what you wrote, you're either too stubborn to admit it or too immature to back down. if your balls dropped already then it's definitely not the latter

well lets look back at the sentence i called you out on

"The term "Indians" is actually rather racist and not really accurate at all. "

The term indians is actually racist. That's basically what you said. If you can't accept this then you're in denial. I dont care how you spin it, twist it, or try and call me stupid. You said it's racist, thats all there is to it. If you meant to say something else, then you shouldve said something else, but didn't! Don't try and say reading comprehension > you because i meant something else but you didnt understand it because i wrote it a certain way, because you and I both know what you said. It's typed out FFS, this is an internet forum, I can go back and look to see what you wrote. You have a better chance arguing something like that over a verbal conversation rather than on an online forum, because we both can see in plain sight what you wrote. Im surprised you didnt go back and edit your post like last time i argued with you, but I guess you chose not to this time, maybe you're growing up, slowly.

CRS 06-20-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe (Post 6474620)
evidently the hypocrisy was used for imitating your posts in a cynical way, but i guess we can't count on you to figure that one out, thats why im a being a nice guy and helping you out by writing this post. hopefully you can learn a thing or two.

reading comprehension > you. <-- the irony in this is that you werent using proper writing structures to create a sentence, which would mean you can't comprehend reading yourself. i know i know, you'll rebuttal with "well you can't read which is why i wrote it like that" we both know i know what you wrote, you're either too stubborn to admit it or too immature to back down. if your balls dropped already then it's definitely not the latter

well lets look back at the sentence i called you out on

"The term "Indians" is actually rather racist and not really accurate at all. "

The term indians is actually racist. That's basically what you said. If you can't accept this then you're in denial. I dont care how you spin it, twist it, or try and call me stupid. You said it's racist, thats all there is to it. If you meant to say something else, then you shouldve said something else, but didn't! Don't try and say reading comprehension > you because i meant something else but you didnt understand it because i wrote it a certain way, because you and I both know what you said. It's typed out FFS, this is an internet forum, I can go back and look to see what you wrote. You have a better chance arguing something like that over a verbal conversation rather than on an online forum, because we both can see in plain sight what you wrote. Im surprised you didnt go back and edit your post like last time i argued with you, but I guess you chose not to this time, maybe you're growing up, slowly.

Alright, if you're going to correct me on sentence structure, the LEAST you could do is write properly yourself. Your clear inability to use proper syntax (you might want to look up this word) just shows how much you understand.

But I'm glad you completely missed my point. You may want to reread it since "it is the internet" and you can "look at what [I] wrote".

By the way, if you're going to correct someone on their use of language, you should also learn how to capitalize your letters. Just something I recently picked up in first grade. ;)

BNR32_Coupe 06-20-2009 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CRS (Post 6474649)
Alright, if you're going to correct me on sentence structure, the LEAST you could do is write properly yourself. Your clear inability to use proper syntax (you might want to look up this word) just shows how much you understand.

But I'm glad you completely missed my point. You may want to reread it since "it is the internet" and you can "look at what [I] wrote".

By the way, if you're going to correct someone on their use of language, you should also learn how to capitalize your letters. Just something I recently picked up in first grade. ;)

you missed MY points and did the oldest trick in the book for a losing forum arguement: nit picking at the other guys grammatical errors. we all seen this before, classic case of guy who fucked up but is too much of a smart ass to admit it. is this serious-scene.net, where we can't read something unless it's written to the standards of a harvard english prof? im pretty sure sg himself writes in a casual manner, why dont you tell him what you think about that? look, i can be a bitch and nit pick too: why are you using emoticons along with proper sentence structures? my sentences may be written casually with spelling errors, typos, lack of capital letters, abbreviations, w/e you throw at it, but at the end of the day i can proudly stand by my points, i know when im wrong and ill admit it, and i dont have to revert to nit picking peoples post for dismissible things

my original point is you used the word "racist" subjectively. look at where you're leading the conversation off to now. you're trying to say i can't write, therefore i can't read, therefore you were right the whole time: the word Indian is racist! actually yeah fuck it you're right, the word indian IS in fact racist. you should give out points to eastwood for saying that, since you're a mod and he was in violation of RS terms of use.

tiger_handheld 06-20-2009 04:34 PM

so did the OP buy a car yet? or are we still hounding him on the race card?

CRS 06-20-2009 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe (Post 6474671)
you missed MY points and did the oldest trick in the book for a losing forum arguement: nit picking at the other guys grammatical errors. we all seen this before, classic case of guy who fucked up but is too much of a smart ass to admit it. is this serious-scene.net, where we can't read something unless it's written to the standards of a harvard english prof? im pretty sure sg himself writes in a casual manner, why dont you tell him what you think about that? look, i can be a bitch and nit pick too: why are you using emoticons along with proper sentence structures? my sentences may be written casually with spelling errors, typos, lack of capital letters, abbreviations, w/e you throw at it, but at the end of the day i can proudly stand by my points, i know when im wrong and ill admit it, and i dont have to revert to nit picking peoples post for dismissible things

my original point is you used the word "racist" subjectively. look at where you're leading the conversation off to now. you're trying to say i can't write, therefore i can't read, therefore you were right the whole time: the word Indian is racist! actually yeah fuck it you're right, the word indian IS in fact racist. you should give out points to eastwood for saying that, since you're a mod and he was in violation of RS terms of use.

Last time I checked and the last time I "looked at what you wrote", you brought up the "oldest trick" in the book. I did not even mention your grammar or syntax prior to you bringing up mine.

But I guess this is the case of a "No you did it!", "No youuuu do it!". I can see how this is confusing for you. I simply said that reading comprehension is beyond you. You can feel free to look this up.

Unfortunately, I do not moderate this particular section of the forum. As such, I do not hand out points here. It must be fun living in that delusional world of yours. Creating your own rules, making up your own arguments, putting words in other people's mouths...

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Eastwood 06-20-2009 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger_handheld (Post 6474687)
so did the OP buy a car yet? or are we still hounding him on the race card?

No. I went and checked out some cars on the reserve near the navy base here, but sadly found nothing.

Been busy at work so I haven't had a chance to check out the cars out there. Still in the hunt.

Realistically I just want to pick up a cheap convertible. Looking for an 80's BMW vert or a Mustang GT vert.

Something I can hopefully pick up for under $300.

BNR32_Coupe 06-20-2009 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CRS (Post 6474711)
Last time I checked and the last time I "looked at what you wrote", you brought up the "oldest trick" in the book. I did not even mention your grammar or syntax prior to you bringing up mine.

you brought up my reading comprehension, which led me to bring up how you're using math symbols to represent words. saying "blahblah > you" that's not a sentence ffs that's an equation.

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But I guess this is the case of a "No you did it!", "No youuuu do it!".

no it's not. it's clear as day: you're obviously confused about the definition of racism and had to resort to changing the topic. 5 posts later and you still haven't came up with anything related to what i originally called you out on. i swear you'll probably go for 6, quote this, and say something stupid.

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I can see how this is confusing for you. I simply said that reading comprehension is beyond you. You can feel free to look this up.
you sure did say reading comprehension is beyond me. care to enlighten me on why, or are you going to leave it up for me to figure out? hmm i guess we all know i wasnt able to understand how you fucked up and thought the word indian is a racist term. if you had any exposure to the general culture of society, and a hint of common sense, you'd understand that it's not a racism term, in fact, its a perfectly accepted term not only in their community, but everyone elses as well.

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Unfortunately, I do not moderate this particular section of the forum. As such, I do not hand out points here. It must be fun living in that delusional world of yours. Creating your own rules, making up your own arguments, putting words in other people's mouths...

:thumbsup:
there's been a few posts from other people agreeing with how the word indian isn't racist. oh yeah and umm 0 people agree with you. google "native indian". notice how there's 25 million websites using the word native indian in a non-racist fashion? notice how people within their community use it in a non-racist fashion? go up to a native person and ask them if they're native indian. what kind of response do you think you'll get? this concludes lesson 6 of the day, the common sense chapter. what else do you need help with?

Qmx323 06-20-2009 06:11 PM

So is it racist to call an aboriginal an Indian? After all this arguing, I have to chime in with this. I have a co-worker that is an aboriginal, she refers to herself as an "aboriginal". As to whether "Native Indian" is racist/insulting, I suppose context is just as important as to the actual word you're using.

Just my 2 cents, y0.

BNR32_Coupe 06-20-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Qmx323 (Post 6474788)
So is it racist to call an aboriginal an Indian? After all this arguing, I have to chime in with this. I have a co-worker that is an aboriginal, she refers to herself as an "aboriginal". As to whether "Native Indian" is racist/insulting, I suppose context is just as important as to the actual word you're using.

Just my 2 cents, y0.

CRS pm'd me and doesn't believe context matters. he said you can't say Jews or else it's racist. to him, if you say "this is the jewish community center" that's a racist term. you should be saying "this is the jewish people's community center"

CRS why don't you copy and paste our PM convo onto here, and show everybody what you think

CRS 06-20-2009 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe (Post 6474796)
CRS pm'd me and doesn't believe context matters. he said you can't say Jews or else it's racist. to him, if you say "this is the jewish community center" that's a racist term. you should be saying "this is the jewish people's community center"

CRS why don't you copy and paste our PM convo onto here, and show everybody what you think

Actually, if you said that "this is a jewish community centre", that would be perfectly fine.

If you said this is a "jew's community centre", not so much. Please refer to the bolded part of your PM.

Here is our PM messages. The formatting is all screwed up.



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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe
hey just wondering if you can come up with a better come back for my last post on the thread because i have to go soon and dont want to miss what you have to say. thanks
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Think about it like this. Just because someone says "that building if full of jews" in a positive tone or even in a neutral tone doesn't make it any less racist.

It is like talking to some of the elder caucasian population. I remember one saying "those chinamen really know how to fish". Though it was a positive remark, it does not make it any less racist.

So the use of the term "indians" for aboriginals is racist because of the negative connotations it carries. Just liked saying "Oh I got jewed" or "I got gyped!", both are racist remarks as the first relates to jewish people and the second relates to gypsies. Though the person that said it certainly did not mean it, it does not make it any less racist.

Oh, and just FYI, your syntax wasn't too hot. I don't write on the internet like I would if I were writing an article. So if you're going to correct it, that's fine. But yours is definitely not better by any means.
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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe
that's where you're confused. if the building is full of jewish people, what do you say? Jews! Jews refer to each other as jews. You can definitely say that building is full of jews, if its full of jews! that's where context comes into play.

if there was a social stigma about indians getting high off gasoline, then the term indian would be racist. but its not. it was just a term incorrectly assigned for their type of people that has not only been accepted by them, but by the media and other people as well.

the stigma attached to chinamen isn't a good one. chinese people dont use this word to refer to each other. they don't write books and call themselves chinamen. native american indian aboriginal, w/e, people do. they call themselves indians, i know this for a fact i just googled native indian and got 25 million sites of native americans refering to themselves as indians, or at least other people referring to them as indians in a polite manner.

these are the type of things people pick up through the media and exposure to the general culture of todays society through common sense. its just like saying please and thank you, things which are common courtesy. likewise, there's common sense, think of it as a sixth sense you can use to pick up on things like whats racist and whats accepted
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Originally Posted by CRS
This is where I have to disagree but I agree with some of your points though. But by simply moving the term "jews" for jewish people, it moves it back to days of WWII where the jewish people were simply referred to as jews. "Kill the jews!" "The jews are stealing our jobs!". I realize that it can be a simplified version of saying jewish people but is still can and does carry negative connotations.

Though Canada has done a great deal to revert this negative stereotype of aboriginals/natives, it still came from the idea that these were the types of people who all drank fire water and did everything they could to get their hands on it and get drunk. So saying indians which was what they were referred to when this stereotype broke out, it again reverts back to those negative stereotypes. (Much like saying nigger to African American/Canadian who were referred to by that word in the 1900s).

Just because people refer to others by a racist term does not make it any less racist. An African man identifying himself and others as niggers doesn't make it any more correct.

The social stigma point is what I agree with. Though it seems that we both went to a different road after that point.

Like you said at the end of your post, it is a rather subjective matter. What you may see, I won't see. I'm sure the same can be said about my argument. I picked up the word "indian" as racist but you may not have. The same African man mentioned above could see no issue with using the word nigger whereas others can.
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Originally Posted by BNR32_Coupe
3 things im going to get you on. context (again), being up to date on society's present trends on lingo (not sure if theres a term or word to describe this), and common sense

saying nigger may have been OK in the past, im not sure, but where we stand today, it's not OK. it's also accepted for people to use racist terms (they're still being racist) on their own race. this is where common sense comes into play also, i mean, you're obviously trying to be anal about this subject here.

you are now up to date with common sense, context, and present trends in lingo. would you like to restart your computer now?
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Heh.. And here I though we were going to be mature and civil, guess that is too much to ask for.

1. Context does NOT matter. A racial slur and yes it is a SLUR, is still racist. Does not matter what context it is put in.
i challenge you to make a thread about how context doesn't matter when using the terms like Jew and Indian.

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2. Present day trends and I like how you used the word "trend" because it implies it is every changing. Which kind of works against you if you think about it. A word racist back then is still very much racist now. Even if people are habituated and numbed by it, it does not make it any less racist than the day the word arose.
Well then, it seems that everyone else but you is unaware of their racist use of the word "Indian".

actually, it sounds like you're a very conservative person. by your logic, we should kill women that look like witches, because something that made sense back then, does not mean it doesnt make sense now. wtf are we doing on RS, we should be witch hunting

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3. Common sense. Well, there is a lot to be desired if this is how you're going to debate. I swear, this is like arguing with a 12 year old. Because you don't know the history of the word, it does not make it any less valid. The word "indian" was used in a negative connotation much like the word chink, jap, jew, hongy, gook, nigger. But because we tried to erase their existence (not to mention rape their culture, women and children) and then apologized and tried making up for it, it does not make it a racist term? Seriously? Have a look in the mirror. I'm sure you're looking at a dumbass.
nice strategy, throw the acceptable word indian into a pot full of racist words to give it that racist flavor. how can you deny the fact that people in both communitys (native indian and non native indian) accept the use of the word indian as politically incorrect, but perfectly acceptable? it's not the same as black people using the word nigger on each other. i know this for a fact because i looked it up in the dictionary. btw, you should too.
according to the dictionary:

nigger - highly offensive term
jap - offensive slang
gook - offensive term
indian american - native indian americans, not to be confused with asian indians

you can have whatever opinion you want. ill just stick to the facts. btw if youre not going to make those threads as i mentioned above, then PM me with some definitive sources, otherwise consider yourself schooled, son.

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BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA you're such an idiot.

If you've even been reading the thread, others have been agreeing. How the hell can you even compare conservative attitudes to witch hunting when I'm advocating to not [use] racial terms because of their connotations?! That is progression. If I were out for witch hunts, I would be down with enslaving black people and calling them niggers.

Please, tell me. Other than spending your time in high school, do you have any other means of education? Have you taken anything more than grade 10 social studies? Perhaps a class on social psychology or even a higher level humanities course?

And you spelt communities as communitys. Jesus fucking christ. As to sticking with the "facts". How can you stick to the facts when you can't even change the singular word of community to communities. I realize that english is a bastard language with really no consistent way of doing things but COME ON.
Don't even front junior. Take some time off the internet and learn something about the real world.

Spectre_Cdn 06-20-2009 08:46 PM

Continually off-topic from the OP..
Whether you choose to refer to the indigenous people of Canada as First Nations, Aboriginals or Indians, I think there needs to be more respect for them. I don't mean extra respect for whatever reason; I mean the respect they equally deserve just like any other ethnicity. Evidently this respect is not present as can be seen in some posts on the first page of this thread.

With regards to calling them Indians... the American Indians were given their name because Columbus thought America was India. It was a mistake that was made way back and although the name has stuck, it doesn't make much sense to continue calling them by that name. India___ has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous people of North America. Even in school they don't teach you about Indians, they teach you about the First Nations. Be it political correctness or not, it just seems more logical not to call them Indians.

CRS 06-20-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectre_Cdn (Post 6474911)
Continually off-topic from the OP..
Whether you choose to refer to the indigenous people of Canada as First Nations, Aboriginals or Indians, I think there needs to be more respect for them. I don't mean extra respect for whatever reason; I mean the respect they equally deserve just like any other ethnicity. Evidently this respect is not present as can be seen in some posts on the first page of this thread.

With regards to calling them Indians... the American Indians were given their name because Columbus thought America was India. It was a mistake that was made way back and although the name has stuck, it doesn't make much sense to continue calling them by that name. India___ has absolutely nothing to do with the indigenous people of North America. Even in school they don't teach you about Indians, they teach you about the First Nations. Be it political correctness or not, it just seems more logical not to call them Indians.

:thumbsup:

I completely agree.

So BNR32_Coupe, doesn't seem that I'm the only one now.. Hmm.....


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