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jtanner_ · 10-02-2009, 11:55 PM

Ran a search... this is the closest thing I could find... so instead of starting a new topic i'll add to this one.

I got stopped a road block yesterday and when asked to present my ID I realized I didn't even have my N on the car. With the realization, I didn't bother to come up with any excuses and accepted the fine. I have no problems with the ticket nor do I plan on disputing it. But the officer noted that if I were to receive another ticket my license would be suspended, and that's what I don't understand. This is the first ticket i've ever been issued... so to my knowledge there are no points on my license. After reading the sticky, I didn't notice this under the MVA division 26-28, so i'm curious as to if this is true.

Will I really have my license suspended for getting ticketed for failure to display an N sign again?

I can't really make out what he wrote on the ticket... but it looks like MV 5.25 with a subscript of 1151. Description:"Drive contrary to restriction" for $109.

Thanks

sho_bc · 10-03-2009, 12:01 AM

MVA section 25(15) is the section. And I believe that combined with another ticket that carries points, the Superintendent may review your file and/or suspend your licence.

skidmark · 10-03-2009, 08:46 AM

Yes, 25(15) has 3 points for a conviction. You will be reviewed at 4 points, with possible action taken.

CRS · 10-03-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bagel.tech

Ran a search... this is the closest thing I could find... so instead of starting a new topic i'll add to this one.

I got stopped a road block yesterday and when asked to present my ID I realized I didn't even have my N on the car. With the realization, I didn't bother to come up with any excuses and accepted the fine. I have no problems with the ticket nor do I plan on disputing it. But the officer noted that if I were to receive another ticket my license would be suspended, and that's what I don't understand. This is the first ticket i've ever been issued... so to my knowledge there are no points on my license. After reading the sticky, I didn't notice this under the MVA division 26-28, so i'm curious as to if this is true.

Will I really have my license suspended for getting ticketed for failure to display an N sign again?

I can't really make out what he wrote on the ticket... but it looks like MV 5.25 with a subscript of 1151. Description:"Drive contrary to restriction" for $109.

Thanks

Yeah, driving contrary to restrictions carries points where as failure to display N sign doesn't. As this carries points, the next ticket you get (which is under the assumption that it carries points), you'll be under a really tight leash and the super may suspend you.

Class 7N people have a very limited allotted point system. Typically, 2 tickets that carries points will get you suspended (sometimes even 1, like excessive speeding).

jtanner_ · 10-03-2009, 01:08 PM

First of all thanks for your quick replies..

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Originally Posted by skidmark

Yes, 25(15) has 3 points for a conviction. You will be reviewed at 4 points, with possible action taken.

So I now have 3 points on my license... for failure to display an N? O_O Seems a little over the top... I mean it's not like I was pulled over and checked because I was speeding or driving recklessly.. it was a road block. Not that that really makes a difference but I can't see how it's worthy of so many points on your license..

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Originally Posted by CRS

Yeah, driving contrary to restrictions carries points where as failure to display N sign doesn't. As this carries points, the next ticket you get (which is under the assumption that it carries points), you'll be under a really tight leash and the super may suspend you.

Class 7N people have a vary limited allotted point system. Typically, 2 tickets that carries points will get you suspended (sometimes even 1, like excessive speeding).

Hm.. driving contrary to restrictions is what I was ticketed for... but it was because I failed to display my N? You're saying they are two different things? As you said driving cnotrary to restrictions carries points whereas failure to display N doesn't?

skidmark · 10-03-2009, 01:47 PM

No, they are not two different things, but there are two different ways for police to deal with it. Your driver's license says you must display a new driver sign. This is a restriction that you were driving contrary to. This is where 25(15) MVA fits.

30.13 MVAR says that a person commits an offence who fails to display the signs required by section 30.10 (2) or (4) and these are the N or L signs. There are no penalty points for a conviction under this section.

moomooCow · 10-03-2009, 05:43 PM

Cop was legal and had all the right to issue you the ticket with the points.

But imo, he was a jackass for giving you that ticket instead of failure to display N.

Go dispute it and plead the judge to change the ticket to failure to display N.

jtanner_ · 10-03-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by moomooCow

Cop was legal and had all the right to issue you the ticket with the points.

But imo, he was a jackass for giving you that ticket instead of failure to display N.

Go dispute it and plead the judge to change the ticket to failure to display N.

I understand he had every right to issue me the ticket, which is why i have willingly accepted it, and have no plans to dispute it. My class 5 road test is in a month and a half and I have no history of reckless driving or other tickets, so I don't feel it's worth anyone's time to dispute the ticket.

Thanks for all your input skidmark and others, as it's much appreciated

skidmark · 10-03-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by moomooCow

Go dispute it and plead the judge to change the ticket to failure to display N.

The judge cannot change it, only decide guilty or not guilty. Only the issuing officer can change it.

CRS · 10-03-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bagel.tech

First of all thanks for your quick replies..

So I now have 3 points on my license... for failure to display an N? O_O Seems a little over the top... I mean it's not like I was pulled over and checked because I was speeding or driving recklessly.. it was a road block. Not that that really makes a difference but I can't see how it's worthy of so many points on your license..

Hm.. driving contrary to restrictions is what I was ticketed for... but it was because I failed to display my N? You're saying they are two different things? As you said driving cnotrary to restrictions carries points whereas failure to display N doesn't?

As answered before, they are two tickets for the same thing.. Sort of...

The cop has the option of giving you either ticket for the offence that you have committed. He could be nice and give you a failure to display that carries no points or driving contrary to restrictions that does carry.

I guess this time around, you got unlucky and the cop didn't cut you a break. But like you said, your class 5 is up soon so you should be worry free for a little longer.

ilvtofu · 10-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Can someone give me a short and sweet answer here,
Say you are pulled over and ticketed for driving without your N, If you drive off after being ticketed wouldn't you still be breaking the law since you're continuing to drive without an N? What is the correct protocol?

CRS · 10-03-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ilvtofu

Can someone give me a short and sweet answer here,
Say you are pulled over and ticketed for driving without your N, If you drive off after being ticketed wouldn't you still be breaking the law since you're continuing to drive without an N? What is the correct protocol?

Yes, it is.

The officer could stop you and not let you drive away until you either get an N sign or someone picks you up/drives your car.

OR

(this is where I'm assuming and can be COMPLETELY wrong) he lets you drive away and this work similarly to a ticket for no front plate. You could get pulled over again but it would likely show up and the second officer won't ding you (though it is within his right to do so). And you get home asap and get your N. Hopefully the latter happens before former.

sho_bc · 10-04-2009, 04:42 AM

The ticket won't show up same-day on our computers. Our computers will show that the licence plate has been run, but thats it. If things go smoothly/neither person is being unpleasant, it is likely you won't get a ticket for no "N" on the same day. However, anything is possible.

I know of members that will tow a vehicle off the roadway if its stopped in a no-stopping zone/unsafe location in order to prevent the continuation of the offence (not having an N sign with you at all). A little extreme in most cases, but can/does happen.

zulutango · 10-04-2009, 07:31 AM

I would usually take a look at past driving history and see if any tickets show up. If there are none and the attitude is good, then a VT fior fail to display...and a free N. If there is a driving history, specially a prevous fail to display or driver contrary to restrictions, then you get the drive contrary VT with the 2 points and a spare N if I have one with me. If not , I tell you that you cannot continue to drive without the N displayed and are subject to more tickets if you drive away without one, and then I leave. In court I tell the JP/Judge what I did and why. I have found some drivers with as many as 4 previous no N VTs...The main thing that is being missed here is that I always stopped the no N drivers for some other sort of traffic offense..and then found that they were not displaying...so they had 2 strikes against them from the start.