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Old 05-15-2010, 12:34 PM   #25176
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lets trade the Sedins for crosby-malkin... :P
Malkin pisses me off too much. Don't think I could stand to look at him for 82 games a year plus playoffs lol
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yea lol teams with Hossa or Pronger always seem to make it far... just make it to the finals and bench hossa or something
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crazy how the east and the west had completely different results for teams moving on.

west - 1, 2, 3, 5
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i'd say we need a hulking defenseman like chara, pronger, to punish the ppl who stand in front of lu...or a real enforcer who can fight , heavyweight i mean, not hordichuk
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on 1040 yesterday they were talking about Shea Weber may be available. He's going into the last year of his contract and hes going to be unrestricted free agent the next year and of course the Pred's dont have the cash to spend
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One cool thing about the 2010 playoffs:

Blackhawks haven't won the cup since 1961
Flyers haven't since 1975
Habs since 1993
Sharks have never won the cup ever, they joined the league in 1991

Since 1993, only 8 different teams have won the cup

My pick would be the Hawks

Montreal Canadiens has won the cup at least once every decade since the beginning.

They haven't won yet in the 2000's...
They should get it this year. lol

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yea of course overpaid and overrated is a different thing, but they are related to an extent
they aren't really considered overpaid unless they consider them a bust or overrated in the first place... did they not overrate Brian Campbell in the first place if they now think 7 mil is overpaid for him considering he's not even in their top 2?



Phaneuf, Campbell, Thornton, Briere, Gomez and Lecavalier, yea don't tell me vinny wasn't considered a superstar... ppl considered him to be up with crosby and ovie until the last couple years that he's been a bust

lol ask any hawks fans how big of a bust he is expected to be their top D but is just an expensive overhyped 3rd or 4th D instead, all the hawks fans are just saying how much better they could've been had they not overrate and overpay Campbell, Huet and Johnsson...
Are any of these guys considered the "best" at their positions? No. Luongo has been for last couple of years considered one of the top 3 goalies in the league, especially by Canuck fans. Thats overrating. All you're doing is naming "stars" that don't have any of the hype Luongo does.

Vinny was considered a super-star. That's past tense genius. After a couple sub-par seasons he isn't considered in the top 5 anymore. He was but not anymore. Luongo I still hear praise of him being one of the top 3 in the league.
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i'd say we need a hulking defenseman like chara, pronger, to punish the ppl who stand in front of lu...or a real enforcer who can fight , heavyweight i mean, not hordichuk
didnt we have pronger at one time??
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didnt we have pronger at one time??
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Are any of these guys considered the "best" at their positions? No. Luongo has been for last couple of years considered one of the top 3 goalies in the league, especially by Canuck fans. Thats overrating. All you're doing is naming "stars" that don't have any of the hype Luongo does.
Top 3? Unless I'm living under a rock, I thought his hype was that he is 2nd only to Brodeur?

Of course, this is quite the few seasons ago.
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^^I think people are turning down the Lu praise since he's been shitting the bed lately hah.


IMO he wasn't in the top 3 in the league for this season.
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Come to think of it, all 3 goalies for team Canada got eliminated from the playoffs. I guess you can also include Miller because he was basically the starter for the US team.
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Top 3? Unless I'm living under a rock, I thought his hype was that he is 2nd only to Brodeur?

Of course, this is quite the few seasons ago.
For the last couple of seasons it's always been Brodeur, Lungqvist, Luongo and maybe somtimes Miller or Nabokav would get included in the mix for top 3. Luongo and Brodeur dont belong in that top 3 anymore though.
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I think the top three for THIS season would be

Miller, Halak, and .
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But Halak's game really wasn't that strong until the playoffs, so I wouldn't consider him tops for the season.

I'd go with Miller, Rask, and Bryzgalov.
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can't leave out bryzgalov.. he carried his team.
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so u now have to be the best at ur position to be considered a superstar now? those guys obviously are considered superstars now to be able to get teams to sign them to those ridiculous contracts it shouldn't be a 1/2 year thing even during last year teams still wanted vinny regardless of his stupid contract cuz they consider him to be one of the tops still... genius

goalies that were considered "elite" the last couple of years were Luongo, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, Nabokov, Miller out of all these none of them are really that great in the playoffs but had always had great regular seasons.. and out of all of these Luongo definitely did pretty well and has has made it further than most of them except for Nabokov
so again he is considered to be ranked top 3-5 but hasn't been but is no where near one of worst and does play pretty well... since he did get us 2 divisional titles in a row and made it to round 2 twice
so overrated?

yea i agree but MOST overrated player in the NHL??? really????? u have a so-so series and u guys consider him MOST overrated player in the NHL wow... i think luu alone was the turning point for all the wins in the LA series during round 1 as well and at that time and all the analysts were saying his big saves were what kept the team in it and gave the team a chance to win it while they were down

plus there's no way in hell the team can win if he's been giving the team a chance to win and the art ross/hart candidate hank and dank, 35goal monster burrows, samuelsson, 75pts regualr season kesler, and 4mil demitra are all no shows? the best regular season home team and the team can't win a single home game for him while we had to rely on welly belly and shane obrien for our offense? say halak was in net for us for that series with our players, i doubt he could pull off a pitts/wash win like MTL did

this year's top 5 would be bryz, anderson, brodeur, miller, rask with luu not far away
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what about JS Guiguere. he carried his team thru a playoffs one year, and hasnt done a damn thing since. does having a fluke real good streak make you a good goalie?
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on 1040 yesterday they were talking about Shea Weber may be available. He's going into the last year of his contract and hes going to be unrestricted free agent the next year and of course the Pred's dont have the cash to spend
I would love shea weber on our team but unfortunately, i think we'd have to give up too much for him unless we sign him as a UFA.
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so u now have to be the best at ur position to be considered a superstar now? those guys obviously are considered superstars now to be able to get teams to sign them to those ridiculous contracts it shouldn't be a 1/2 year thing even during last year teams still wanted vinny regardless of his stupid contract cuz they consider him to be one of the tops still... genius

goalies that were considered "elite" the last couple of years were Luongo, Brodeur, Kiprusoff, Lundqvist, Nabokov, Miller out of all these none of them are really that great in the playoffs but had always had great regular seasons.. and out of all of these Luongo definitely did pretty well and has has made it further than most of them except for Nabokov
so again he is considered to be ranked top 3-5 but hasn't been but is no where near one of worst and does play pretty well... since he did get us 2 divisional titles in a row and made it to round 2 twice
so overrated?

yea i agree but MOST overrated player in the NHL??? really????? u have a so-so series and u guys consider him MOST overrated player in the NHL wow... i think luu alone was the turning point for all the wins in the LA series during round 1 as well and at that time and all the analysts were saying his big saves were what kept the team in it and gave the team a chance to win it while they were down

plus there's no way in hell the team can win if he's been giving the team a chance to win and the art ross/hart candidate hank and dank, 35goal monster burrows, samuelsson, 75pts regualr season kesler, and 4mil demitra are all no shows? the best regular season home team and the team can't win a single home game for him while we had to rely on welly belly and shane obrien for our offense? say halak was in net for us for that series with our players, i doubt he could pull off a pitts/wash win like MTL did

this year's top 5 would be bryz, anderson, brodeur, miller, rask with luu not far away
Again you're spewing nonsense. Yes genius, you have to be ONE of the best at you're position to be a superstar. You still haven't named me a player that is more overrated then Luongo. It's not about the wins its about how he plays and I think the majority of the people here agree he is playing at level far below what we saw in 04-05 when he first joined the Canucks.

He's not a bad goalie, top 10 for sure but he doesn't deserve the recognition of a top 3 goalie in the league anymore. I'm not ragging on him just because we lost to Chicago again, its just the fact he played so poorly. If he played the way he did that year we lost to Anaheim in the second round, this conversion wouldn't be happening.

What's this about some teams wanting Lecavlier last year? If you're talking about Montreal, thats only one team. Nobody thinks he's one of the tops still. Pre-shoulder injury yes, now not so much. I can name 20 centres I'd take before him.
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what about JS Guiguere. he carried his team thru a playoffs one year, and hasnt done a damn thing since. does having a fluke real good streak make you a good goalie?
I'd take a goalie that can win the cup once over one who you're stuck with for 10 years doing nothing.
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Again you're spewing nonsense. Yes genius, you have to be ONE of the best at you're position to be a superstar. You still haven't named me a player that is more overrated then Luongo. It's not about the wins its about how he plays and I think the majority of the people here agree he is playing at level far below what we saw in 04-05 when he first joined the Canucks.

He's not a bad goalie, top 10 for sure but he doesn't deserve the recognition of a top 3 goalie in the league anymore. I'm not ragging on him just because we lost to Chicago again, its just the fact he played so poorly. If he played the way he did that year we lost to Anaheim in the second round, this conversion wouldn't be happening.

What's this about some teams wanting Lecavlier last year? If you're talking about Montreal, thats only one team. Nobody thinks he's one of the tops still. Pre-shoulder injury yes, now not so much. I can name 20 centres I'd take before him.
ok genius so now it takes a "super"star to be most overrated now, I'd take a superstar rated top 3 but is performing top 10 over a star rated top 10 but is performing under top 30 but is being paid the same (phaneuf, iggy, bouwmeester, kipper, staal, briere, hossa, alfredsson, campbell, gomez, lecavalier) yes and these players deserve to be rated what they were expected to be

and mtl was not the only team that wanted vinny... it was NYR, EDM, MTL and probably a few more teams so yea prior to the beginning of this season ppl are overrating vinny like crazy
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on 1040 yesterday they were talking about Shea Weber may be available. He's going into the last year of his contract and hes going to be unrestricted free agent the next year and of course the Pred's dont have the cash to spend
It seems like the Canucks have a history of trying to get proven players on their roster, only to have them fail and disappoint. Think of all the great Canuck players. Most of them started out as Canucks. We need to get our hands on young talent and develop them.

Shea Weber will probably come to Vancouver, get injured or lose interest, or plain not produce.
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