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11-17-2009, 07:06 PM
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#6751 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer  ill take sharp fo sho, not big on barker though | Serious? I'd take Barker in a second.. That guy is a solid Dman and still getting better...
I'd take Barker and Versteeg from them lol....damnn
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11-17-2009, 07:09 PM
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#6752 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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Lol, another loss for the Leafs.....
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11-17-2009, 07:28 PM
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11-17-2009, 07:32 PM
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Hmmm
Sounds like Naslund's number 19 will be going up in the rafters.
Or atleast that's what it sounded like on team1040. Look for an announcement in the summer.
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11-17-2009, 08:06 PM
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11-17-2009, 08:09 PM
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#6756 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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Originally Posted by 411ken Serious? I'd take Barker in a second.. That guy is a solid Dman and still getting better...
I'd take Barker and Versteeg from them lol....damnn | dont like versteeg at all, but Barker has upsides i guess at the right price, although if i had to choose i'd take Sharp first no question Quote:
Originally Posted by CRS Hmmm
Sounds like Naslund's number 19 will be going up in the rafters.
Or atleast that's what it sounded like on team1040. Look for an announcement in the summer. | they only said that 19 would be "honored" so i dont know if it means retirement
imo the only person that should be up in the rafters is Linden, Smyl was just a pathetic memorial for a franchise that needed something to run with, it would be so nice to only have Linden up there but unless we pull a Messier and unr-etire a number for a star to wear it wont be coming down.
with that said i dont think Naslund deserves to be up in the rafters and this is coming from one of the biggest Naslund supporters, he was probably my favorite player from almost when he became captain
but when i saw him miss that puck on the shootout it broke my heart and the effort level of the captain of my team regardless of situation or position was no where to be seen..
Linden is the only one that should be up there.
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11-17-2009, 10:16 PM
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11-17-2009, 11:22 PM
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11-17-2009, 11:24 PM
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markus naslund's legacy will be frabricated by the canucks
and i do have alot of respect for him
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11-17-2009, 11:26 PM
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Naslund's number does not belong in the rafters.
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11-18-2009, 03:40 AM
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^ stan syml doesnt either prob worst jersey retirement in the NHL
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11-18-2009, 04:22 AM
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Linden gave us one great season in 94. I think Nazzy has done as much for this club as he has. He brought this club from the bottom levels of the league and got the city excited about hockey again. I use to remember GM Place in the late 90's half full...It was Naslund that carried the team back to respectability.
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11-18-2009, 04:43 AM
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#6763 | | y'all better put some respeck on my name
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Shocked no one has said we need #10 hanging from the rafters.
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11-18-2009, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah Gekko Shocked no one has said we need #10 hanging from the rafters. | got flamed millions of times here already for saying that
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11-18-2009, 08:00 AM
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#6765 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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Naslund/Bert/mo carried the team back to respectability under burkes guidance it wasn't just naslund.
Linden is up in the rafters because he personifies a captain and brought his full effort to the rink every night, he was the type of guy who took his team on his back and led them as far as he could single handedly
naslund, smyl, bure did not have any of those traits and to retire a player based on excitement factor or numbers alone makes the Canucks organization look like a joke Posted via RS Mobile | |
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11-18-2009, 09:15 AM
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bure had legendary numbers compared to gretzky and bossy for goals scored per game.
i dont understand why his # shouldnt be retired... fuck what the fans say, in the long run canucks franchise could make decent busniess off bure jersey and merchandises and draw russians players here? But for sure he will get into the hockey hall of fame
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11-18-2009, 09:54 AM
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Pretty good article in NHL digest from last year. The Death Of The Jersey Retirement Quote:
The current NHL season has certainly had its fair share of special events with the 100th Anniversary of the Montreal Canadiens, the Winter Classic at Wrigley Field in Chicago, and various teams honoring former players by retiring their jersey number. The jersey retirement has been known to be a great honor bestowed upon a former player for their contribution to the franchise over the course of their career.
What has recently become disturbing to many hockey fans is the manner in which certain players have been chosen to have their jersey retired. Unlike many other honors in the game, the retirement of a jersey has no standard set of league wide criteria that are required to be met in order for a player to receive the honor.
What Are the Minimum Standards?
While it is certainly wishful thinking to believe that a set criteria would be agreed upon league-wide, there is an expectation by fans that franchises should be responsible in their selections of players to honor. Just as with the selections for the Hockey Hall of Fame, there are players whose accomplishments are (at least statistically) greater than some of those players who have been honored.
The Carolina Hurricanes honored Glen Wesley – Yes, they retired the number of Glen Wesley [apparently] using the ideology that tenure, being a good guy, and one Stanley Cup ring is good enough to hang a slightly above average defenseman’s jersey next to that of Ron Francis, the NHL’s 4th leading scorer of all time.
The New York Rangers used this season to honor Adam Graves, a one-time 50 goal scorer who had a decent tenure with the Rangers and suited up for the 1994 Stanley Cup winning team. What baffles the minds of many hockey historians is that the jersey of legendary Rangers Brad Park has yet to be lifted to the rafters at Madison Square Garden, while the jersey of Andy Bathgate was finally honored several weeks after Graves’ ceremony.
Logic And Rationale
If we argue that the main reason for Graves’ jersey retirement was his 52 Goal season in 1994, helping to bring the Stanley Cup to New York, then Sergei Zubov’s Jersey should have been retired long before Graves was honored. Zubov led the 1994 Rangers on both regular season and playoff scoring while quarterbacking the Rangers potent powerplay.
Simply put, without Zubov there is no Stanley Cup in New York in 1994. Zubov, a defenseman, also managed to score nearly twice as many points per game than Graves did as a Ranger and also has more career Stanley Cups than Graves (Zubov earned one more in 1999 with the Dallas Stars).
If we argue that Graves had a long tenure with the Rangers and that he was loved by fans, we must be prepared for an onslaught of Jersey retirements from every team who had a player suit up with the franchise for a decade (See Glen Wesley). Furthermore, if we combine the statistics of having a long tenure with the same team and winning a Stanley Cup, there are still several players who fit the bill. Most notable in this list is Mats Naslund.
Mats Naslund led the 1986 Stanley Cup champion Montreal Canadiens in both regular season and playoff scoring and played the overwhelming majority of his NHL career with Montreal. This leads us to the question of whether playing for a franchise with more Stanley Cup victories is a detriment to having ones jersey retired?
For instance, by New York’s [apparent] standards, Naslund would have his jersey raised to the rafters. However, I don’t think that anyone in the Canadiens organization would dream of honoring Mats Naslund before a legend such as Elmer Lach has been recognized.
Leveraging the Retirement of Jerseys
It is unlikely that the majority of hockey fans have a problem with teams wanting to celebrate their former players and create more history for the franchise. However, it almost seems as though some teams are using the retirement ceremonies as a way to spike ticket sales more than to truly honor the commitment of a great hockey player.
Yes, I realize that there are more criteria than just statistics, trophies and records that can be used to determine the value of a player to the organization. However, without any basic criteria teams may eventually find more ways than not to draw in a crowd for special game featuring the jersey retirement of (Insert name here).
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11-18-2009, 10:08 AM
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#6768 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
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Originally Posted by Hondaracer dont like versteeg at all, but Barker has upsides i guess at the right price, although if i had to choose i'd take Sharp first no question
| Versteeg is like the Kesler of the blackhawks. and we know how valuable Kesler is to our team.. hehe
Man.. waiting for the next game is taking way too long.. damn
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11-18-2009, 10:12 AM
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#6769 | | Rs has made me the woman i am today!
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Damn, Gaborik is ripping it up in NY... I was hoping he would've signed here.. 
I wonder if he would have had the same success he is having now..
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11-18-2009, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iwantaskyline Linden gave us one great season in 94. | Linden is the prototypical captain. He can play, he has excellent leadership qualities and he is the nicest person you'll ever meet outside of hockey. He played all shifts at 100% whereas Naslund just gave up during his last 2 seasons here.
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11-18-2009, 10:18 AM
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gaborik and ovechkin scoring race is amazing
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11-18-2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ch28 Linden is the prototypical captain. He can play, he has excellent leadership qualities and he is the nicest person you'll ever meet outside of hockey. He played all shifts at 100% whereas Naslund just gave up during his last 2 seasons here. | Prototypical?  | |
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11-18-2009, 11:23 AM
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Prototypical basically means a great example...something others should be based off of.
To have your number retired, it can't just be about the numbers. It has to be about what you mean to the team. Linden > Bure.
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11-18-2009, 12:36 PM
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#6774 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
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Bure is not a shoe-in hall of famer at all. Posted via RS Mobile | |
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11-18-2009, 01:38 PM
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Some players eligible for 2010 hall of fame induction:
Dave Andreychuk
Pierre Turgeon
Adam Oates
Mike Gartner
Joe Nieuwendyk
Sergei Makarov
Pavel Bure
Dino Ciccarelli
Eric Lindros
John Leclair
Doug Gilmour
Theo Fleury
Alexander Mogilny
Guy Carbonneau
Phil Housley
Tom Barrasso
Mark Howe
Not really any sure fire Hall of Famers jumping out. Only 2 I can see as close to guarantee for 2010 induction are Mark Howe and Sergei Makarov (more for his contributions in international play than NHL). Players like Bure, Turgeon (30th all time scoring) and Oates (16th all time scoring) while had amazing offensive numbers will probably have to wait past their 1st ballot year to get in if they ever do.
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