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I have no idea why the Rangers would want Jokinen. He's like a cancer and everyone knows he's a difficult player to deal with. I still remember meeting him at Nikki Beach on South Beach when he played with Florida and he walked around the place with a chip on his shoulder.
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Lecavalier will go Montreal if he goes anywhere but I imagine his contract makes him untradable and he has no movement. He likes Tampa and wants to stay, though. If he doesn't want to go, no one can make him.
I can't see the Flamers being a lock for the playoffs as some have mentioned. I was scared of their team on paper before the season started and thought they would take the NW division. While that could happen, I can't see any of the players brought in helping Iginla get going. They add depth, but they aren't a Cammalleri who has just 3 points less then Iginla this year. The will start to play better though I think.
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I can't see the Flamers being a lock for the playoffs as some have mentioned. I was scared of their team on paper before the season started and thought they would take the NW division. While that could happen, I can't see any of the players brought in helping Iginla get going. They add depth, but they aren't a Cammalleri who has just 3 points less then Iginla this year. The will start to play better though I think.
yeah i'll have to retract my statement if the jokinen deal goes through. unless they package for a bigger package.
there's some people saying sutter is losing his mind and just making deals to get a playoff spot, or he'll be fired. sounds plausible...
first things first, this all happened while I was on a plane coming back from hong kong, and i was in shock
and i must say..FINALLY SOME FUCKING DECENT HOCKEY TALK IN THIS THREAD OMG...regardless.
Burke CONTINUES to shape the Leafs into the hard hitting DEFENCE first hockey team he built in Vancouver and Anaheim. Sadly, Celine Dion has to EARN his spot just like Luke Schenn. I understand SUPERSTAR here plays a different game, but he is a big upgrade from Mike Komiserick. Theres going to be COMPETE for ice time amongst the Dmen, The leafs better hope that Phil Kessel can be a one man show. The leafs do have some promising talent coming up in Nazem Kardri.
Its great to see some HOCKEY TRADES go through as it just does not happen. At the same time, very rare for Burke who likes to DUMP picks for instant depth
The Flames have a buncha forwards here, with the excepton of Mayers who have never played in the west, where its more trap and hard hitting hockey. For Stajan and Hagman to be successful, they must buy into the defence first system in the west.
Ian White has better numbers than celine dion, and in the long run, they have JayBo and Giordano who has been great.
Ollie Jokinen isnt going to get traded to ATL, Ollie isnt going to go anywhere. Ollie is terrible. Ilya Kovalchuk will land to a team that will provide INSTANT impact to the organization, and they WILL trade for PROVEN players that have years remaining in their contract. I believe Kovalchuk doesnt have a NTC so ATL can ship him to wherever they please.
It does appear CGY is dumping money to make room for Kovie, but they got nothing to give up anymore.
first things first, this all happened while I was on a plane coming back from hong kong, and i was in shock
and i must say..FINALLY SOME FUCKING DECENT HOCKEY TALK IN THIS THREAD OMG...regardless.
Burke CONTINUES to shape the Leafs into the hard hitting DEFENCE first hockey team he built in Vancouver and Anaheim. Sadly, Celine Dion has to EARN his spot just like Luke Schenn. I understand SUPERSTAR here plays a different game, but he is a big upgrade from Mike Komiserick. Theres going to be COMPETE for ice time amongst the Dmen, The leafs better hope that Phil Kessel can be a one man show. The leafs do have some promising talent coming up in Nazem Kardri.
Its great to see some HOCKEY TRADES go through as it just does not happen. At the same time, very rare for Burke who likes to DUMP picks for instant depth
The Flames have a buncha forwards here, with the excepton of Mayers who have never played in the west, where its more trap and hard hitting hockey. For Stajan and Hagman to be successful, they must buy into the defence first system in the west.
Ian White has better numbers than celine dion, and in the long run, they have JayBo and Giordano who has been great.
Ollie Jokinen isnt going to get traded to ATL, Ollie isnt going to go anywhere. Ollie is terrible. Ilya Kovalchuk will land to a team that will provide INSTANT impact to the organization, and they WILL trade for PROVEN players that have years remaining in their contract. I believe Kovalchuk doesnt have a NTC so ATL can ship him to wherever they please.
It does appear CGY is dumping money to make room for Kovie, but they got nothing to give up anymore.
Isn't Jokinen rumoured to be going to NYR???
As for the Laffs team
Gustavsson/Giguere
Schenn/Celine/Komisarek/Beauchemin that's pretty solid back end IMO.. now only if someone else besides Kessel can score LOL
The New York Rangers and Calgary Flames were expected to announce a trade that would send centre Olli Jokinen and forward Brandon Prust to the Rangers in exchange for forwards Ales Kotalik and Christopher Higgins, but the deal appears to be stalled.
Sources told TSN Sunday night that New York was awaiting Calgary's final sign-off before the trade call was to be made.
Jokinen/Prust for Higgins/Kotalik not expected to happen today and may not happen at all tho still possible this deal is done after game. about 1 hour ago from web
Gustavsson/Giguere
Schenn/Celine/Komisarek/Beauchemin that's pretty solid back end IMO.. now only if someone else besides Kessel can score LOL
Schenn/White/Komisarek/Beauchemin/Kaberle was pretty fuckin solid already...on PAPER
but u gotta look at the team the same way
Luke Schenn was sent to the lions den pretty much right away. He had alot to learn, it isnt until NOW that hes shaping up to be close to what he was touted to be
Komisarek scored more points in 5min on the free throw line than he did all season so far...plus hes pretty much hurt most of the time
White seems to see the game better than CELINE DION while doing hte CELINE DION minus the canon...whats the thing they share, they are shit starters...
Beauchemin and Kaberle are the only guys on that blue line as of TODAY who has been solid the whole way through. Not by the numbers, although Kaberle is up there, but just pure experience
btw, Ian White sits on the + side of that +/- stat for the Laffs
The laffs now have a "legit" #1 goalie and a stanley cup winner..We'll see how their D core will be now as Gustavsson and Toskala is nowhere close to being #1 goalies IMO..
But now, all the teams have to do is score first and shut down Kessel's line and it's over... They should just bring Nazim Kadri back up now lol
MONTREAL — The Canucks have cut off contract negotiations with Ryan Kesler and don't plan to resume them until after the season.
It's a decision made, in part, because the sides have reached an impasse and Vancouver is trying to avoid any distractions which can accompany in-season bargaining. But it has created some frustration in the Kesler camp. He is a pending restricted free agent who will now have to wait until after the season to see if he can get the multi-year deal he's seeking with the Canucks.
"It's frustrating and it's disappointing," Kesler's agent Kurt Overhardt said. "He is a core player for the Canucks who brings his heart and soul every night. He puts it all on the ice. He's a great teammate. He's a warrior.
"It's disappointing because based on the marketplace, it's not a difficult deal to get done for a core player like this. There's just not a lot of logic in waiting."
But Canucks general manager Mike Gillis has shown he likes to work to deadlines, using them even as leverage in negotiations. The Sedin deals went right to the midnight hour and when Roberto Luongo imposed his own deadline on contract talks last summer, Gillis said: "It's actually a good thing because it keeps everyone focused and working toward our goal."
Until now, Kesler and the Canucks have appeared focused on the same goal — getting him re-signed to a multi-year contract. After Henrik Sedin and Kesler, the Canucks have nothing but question marks at centre. In the past, Kesler has made it known he wants to stay in Vancouver but added this week he understands the business side of the NHL puts his long-term future in some doubt.
"I love it here, I really do," Kesler said. "But it's probably unrealistic to say I'm going to stay in the same spot forever.
"Obviously, I want to stay here for my whole career. Whatever happens, happens."
Before shutting down bargaining, the Canucks and Kesler were roughly $1 million a year apart. Kesler's camp believes he is a core player worth something in the $5 million US per year ballpark, while Vancouver was looking at something closer to the $4-million US per season range.
You can spin numbers to support either side. On one hand, Kesler is already one of the better second-line centres in the NHL, a Selke nominated 25-year-old who continues to improve and gets more ice time than Henrik, Vancouver's top centre. Kesler is a skilled two-way forward who has 82 points in his past 88 games.
On the other, he hasn't yet had a 60-point season and struggles with consistency, especially on the road. Plus, it took the Sedins several years of playing at a high, point-a-game level before they earned more than $5 million a year.
The Canucks believe there is more than enough time to negotiate at the end of the season, especially because Kesler is restricted, meaning there's almost no chance he'll be anywhere but Vancouver next year. The Canucks value Kesler, who remains a big part of their long-term plans. But Kesler said he didn't see any problem then with continuing bargaining during the year.
"It wouldn't be a distraction for me," Kesler said. "My agent deals with that and comes to me when the time is right. But whatever they want to do, I'm just focused on playing hockey. That's why I pay my agent."
Staying consistent with this method of operation, the Canucks also shuttered talks with Mason Raymond, another pending restricted free agent who is due a sizeable raise, and Willie Mitchell, who is set to be unrestricted if he's not re-signed by July 1. As with Kesler, negotiations with those players aren't expected to resume until after the season, setting up a busy couple of months.
By creating time constraints, the Canucks can better use the July 1 deadline as a goal post. But they also become more vulnerable to some risks. In Kesler's case, if a deal isn't done between the end of the season and July 1, there are two:
There is arbitration, which can create rifts because the process tends to be so nasty. It's something both sides want to avoid. But if they go through it, the team risks losing a bitter player in two seasons when Kesler can become an unrestricted free agent.
The other issue is maybe more costly. Kesler, who is making $1.75 million this year, is a potential offer-sheet target. Overhardt has already got one for Kesler when he signed with Philadelphia, a deal matched by then-Vancouver GM Dave Nonis. Plus, the upcoming UFA forward market is already paper thin. Still, a team risks losing three draft picks including a first rounder if they sign Kesler to market value. It makes an offer sheet less likely, but not impossible. Of course, the Canucks have the right to match any deal.
Here are some comparables (all figures US):
Travis Zajac signed a four-year, $15.55 million deal last summer ($3.88 million cap hit).<LI>Jeff Carter signed a three-year, $15-million deal after a 53-pt season.<LI>Mike Richards signed a 12-year, $69-million deal.<LI>Mikko Koivu signed a four-year, $13-million contract in 2007 ($3.250 million cap hit).<LI>Partrice Bergeron signed a $23.75 million, five-year deal ($4.75 million cap hit) after one 70-point season.
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