Official 2009/2010 Canucks Thread

[SumAznGuy]

The other thing that can happen is Kovy can go back to Russia and play in the KHL and fetch Millions and Millions and all of it is tax free.

Given the fact that he is russian, it is possible.

[Tegra_Devil]

looks like the chemistry is getting a little better between the guys, looked a lot smoother...4-1 win!

that being said...it was carolina

[orange7]

the flames beat carolina

so this brings up a question: were the flames good or was carolina beyond helpless?

[Tegra_Devil]

if i do remember correctly you guys lost to carolina sometime in december...but thanks for coming out

[cressydrift]

Maybe the Canucks wanted to be in the rumor mill. Keep the guys on edge and working hard. The whole Kesler thing is all jargon, I smell Botchford. The Sedins ended contract talks last season till the summer... they are still here. If the Canucks will offer 4 and Kesler wants 5, how hard is it to meet in the middle.

Did anyone watch the game last night? Dan Murphy said the Canucks were looking at Tomas Plekanec, not David Backes.

[cressydrift]

FAT




PLEASE SCRATCH THIS FLOATER.

[DuhDang]

Originally Posted by Tegra_devil

if i do remember correctly you guys lost to carolina sometime in december...but thanks for coming out

1 loss doesnt mean anything, losing 9 in a row does.

[orange7]

Originally Posted by DuhDang

1 loss doesnt mean anything, losing 9 in a row does.

but those 9 losts happened before the trades and the chemistry.

Nucks lost to carolina with the same team they have now.

[bengy]

Originally Posted by orange7

but those 9 losts happened before the trades and the chemistry.

Nucks lost to carolina with the same team they have now.

Can't win them all. Plus, Nucks have a habbit of not showing up against weak teams.

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

+1, Cory Schhneiders stock isnt getting any higher. And it wont till next year till he plays in the big leagues again cause he wont be playing here this season.

Yup, his value is going down every season he isn't moved plus the guy deserves a shot at the NHL as a back up or starter, I think he's paid his dues.

[Harvey Specter]

Yup, Canucks suck because the Flames beat the Canes tonight.

[murd0c]

Holy Crap Edmonton on a 2 game win streak.

[orange7]

Originally Posted by bengy

Can' win them all. Plus, Nucks have a habbit of not showing up against weak teams.

not really. I don't think that habbit applies to this team anymore. Just look at last night's game. Although they lost, they badly outshot the opponent. I'm actually quite proud of their effort last night. They didn't get the good bounces they needed, but they really showed a lot of offensive effort.

[RiceIntegraRS]

Originally Posted by murd0c

Holy Crap Edmonton on a 2 game win streak.

no fucking way!

[stuff99]

Not sure if this Sedins article is a repost but:


Wednesday, February 3, 2010
Surprised by Sedin? You shouldn't be
By Pierre LeBrun
ESPN.com

Alex Burrows has had a front-row seat to what he believes has been the best show in hockey this season.

He's biased, of course, but he hopes when voters sit down in April to fill out their Hart Trophy ballots for the NHL's most valuable player, they remember the center currently having a career season and leading the league in scoring: Henrik Sedin.

"It's too bad you people can't see him as much because we're on the West Coast," Burrows, Sedin's Vancouver Canucks linemate on arguably the NHL's top line, told ESPN.com. "You know, those big guys came to town, first Ovi and then Sid, and Henrik outplayed them both. He's a great player."

"You people" would be members of the Professional Hockey Writers' Association, the folks charged with voting for most of the NHL's individual hardware, including the Hart. While talk of an Eastern bias gets tiring after a while, the fact is, 10 of the past 15 Hart Trophy winners have come from the Eastern Conference, including four of the past five.

The two-time reigning Hart Trophy winner is Washington Capitals forward Alex Ovechkin, who supplanted 2006-07 winner Sidney Crosby of Pittsburgh. Both superstar captains will be heavy favorites again for the Hart and, quite frankly, deservedly so.

But what about Mr. Sedin? He, too, has a legitimate case right now, even if most fans and media on the East Coast are sound asleep when he's doing his thing.

"For sure he should be up there," Canucks superstar goalie Roberto Luongo said of Henrik's Hart chances. "He's the top scorer in the league and he's carrying our team on his back offensively. It's pretty exciting to watch. On a nightly basis right now, that line is putting up a show."

Some will say it's strange trying to make the MVP case for a player who has been tied at the hip to twin brother and lifetime linemate Daniel Sedin. If not for an injury earlier this season, Daniel would also be among the league's leading scorers.

Does the brotherly connection hurt Henrik's chances?

"I don't think anybody who wins that honor wins it on his own," said Canucks coach Alain Vigneault. "Whether it be Ovechkin or Crosby, you have to have good players surrounding you and helping you out. Whether for Henrik it's his brother Danny, this is a team game and you need your teammates. I don't see what's wrong with that."

But Henrik's story will always be tied to brother Daniel.

Henrik Sedin
Henrik Sedin was drafted by the Vancouver Canucks, along with twin brother Daniel, in the 1999 NHL draft.

1999 draft: "It's an omen"
The Sedins were then represented by veteran agent Mike Barnett (although his right-hand man was their current agent, J.P. Barry). Barnett, who was at the helm of IMG Hockey at the time, sent a message to NHL teams heading into the 1999 draft and said the Swedish prospects did not really want to come over to North America unless they were drafted by the same team.

"It wasn't definite, but they loved it in Sweden [playing for Modo], and unless they ended up in the same NHL organization, it might have been several more years [before] they came over," Barnett, now in the New York Rangers' front office, recalled to ESPN.com.

So what Barnett and the twins needed was a team willing to make that happen. Enter Brian Burke, then the GM of the rebuilding Vancouver Canucks.

"I remember going to the world juniors that year and watching them," Burke, now GM in Toronto, recalled to ESPN.com last week from his corner office at Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment. "This sixth sense that they have, their radar, whatever you want to call it, was obvious to me the first time I saw them play together.

"Now, they did struggle a bit at those world juniors; they got knocked down easy in those days. I liked them a lot, but wasn't sold yet. That's until I went to the world championships in Norway later that year. They were playing against men in that tournament. I remember saying, 'OK, I've got to have these guys.' And that's when we started working on it."

Tampa Bay had the first overall pick, followed by Atlanta at No. 2, Vancouver at No. 3 and Chicago at No. 4. Six days before the draft in Boston, Burke struck a deal for the fourth overall pick with then-Blackhawks GM Bob Murray, who wanted rising young blueliner Bryan McCabe plus a first-round draft pick in 2000 or 2001.

"We were a nonplayoff team in Vancouver, McCabe was just entering his prime," said Burke. "That was a tough one, but I said, 'OK, I'll do it on one condition, we don't register the trade until Friday.'"

Burke wanted to keep the trade a secret until the day before the draft. That's because he had much bigger plans at the time.

"I was going to try to get three out of the top four picks," Burke said with a sly smile. "I liked Patrik Stefan, too, so I wanted all three players."

Draft day was arriving, but Burke still wasn't where he needed to be. He had the third and fourth overall picks, but that wouldn't guarantee the twins, especially if Tampa was going to take one of the Sedins despite Barnett's warnings. On the eve of the draft, Barnett met with then-Lightning GM Rick Dudley.

"Dudley definitely needed the most persuading," said Barnett. "I was just trying to be candid with him. The boys wanted to play together. They are extremely close, but it wasn't a threat or anything."

Dudley chuckled at the memory of it.

"Barney came to me and said, 'There's no reason to draft Daniel Sedin because Brian Burke is taking Henrik Sedin with his pick,'" Dudley recalled. "I said, 'I don't give a crap what Brian Burke does, I'm taking Daniel Sedin with my pick. If that's going to change, it's because Brian Burke phones me and offers me something for me not to do it.'

"I left that meeting and the look on Barney's face, he was dumbfounded," Dudley laughed. "But by the time I left Barney's room and got back to my room, my phone was ringing. It was Burkie."

Burke was fretting on the eve of the draft. Still no trade with Tampa Bay.

"Rick Dudley played it tough," said Burke. "We're friends, but you should have heard the profanity over the phone. He said, 'I'm taking Daniel Sedin and I don't care what you do.' I said, 'You're going to take a guy you can't sign? They're not coming unless they come together to the same team. You have to make a deal.' Dudley got his back up and said, 'You don't run my team.' If we had been in the same hotel, we would have had a fistfight. That's how heated it got."

A frustrated Burke remembers taking a walk around Boston to clear his head.

"It was a beautiful day in Boston," said Burke. "I bumped into the twins three different times on a 20-minute walk and remember my wife saying, 'It's an omen. You're going to get these guys.'"

Sometime between Friday night and Saturday morning, Dudley realized there was no point in drafting Daniel if he wasn't going to play in Tampa Bay. A deal was struck. Burke moved his fourth overall pick (acquired from Chicago) to Tampa Bay along with the 75th and 88th overall picks (third-rounders) in exchange for the first overall pick (Dudley would move the fourth pick to the Rangers in another blockbuster deal).

Burke decided it would be fitting if the Canucks could go on stage and pick both twins consecutively. Knowing Atlanta wanted Stefan with the second overall pick, he took Thrashers GM Don Waddell aside and asked him if he wanted to the first pick, especially since Atlanta was a new franchise. Waddell agreed and Burke got a conditional third-round pick out of it.

"I went up on stage to draft them and couldn't tell them apart," laughed Burke.

The early years: It takes time
The two skinny boys from northern Sweden didn't take the NHL by storm. Early on, they were easily pushed around on the ice, and critics had a field day with Burke and the Sedins, some of them calling the twins the "Sedin Sisters."

If it stung, Henrik would not admit it.

"No, we never get motivated by fans or by media," Henrik told ESPN.com last week. "We said from day one we wanted to get better, and more so showing Brian he did a good job of drafting us. That's the one thing. He always believed in us. We wanted to show him he did the right thing. That was part of what motivated us. Also we knew, and Brian knew too, that we weren't really prepared physically. ... It's taken some time, but it's been worth it."

Those first three NHL seasons were a real test of their character, and people who know the twins aren't surprised they persevered.

"They're great kids, very smart people, and their work ethic is terrific," said Burke. "Their teammates always liked them. They were accepted from day one."

Burke also believes former Canucks coach Marc Crawford should not be forgotten in the twins' development.

"I think Marc Crawford deserves a lot of credit for how they came along because he kept throwing them out there no matter what," Burke said. "The thing that's admirable about the twins is that even when they weren't putting up offensive numbers -- and they didn't their first few years -- they never got scored on. They're reliable defensively."

"Those first few years, you'd see both Henrik and Daniel getting knocked down," Crawford told ESPN.com this week. "They had those great skills, but it was the ability to engage physically.

"But even in those first few years, they were good players even then," added Crawford. "It was just a strength issue. Not that I'm the biggest developmental guy in the world, but you knew what was ahead for them."

The twins soaked it all in, worked extremely hard every summer, and by the 2003-04 season, they began to mature into front-line players. After they had produced 30-point seasons in their opening three seasons, Henrik put up 42 just before the lockout and Daniel, 54. They were on the cusp.

"They were beginning to get it," said Crawford.

And they wanted to play more. They were on the second line behind the big boys, Markus Naslund, Brendan Morrison and Todd Bertuzzi. But they wanted a bigger role after the 2003-04 season and were ready for it.

"They never voiced any displeasure with me ever -- ever," said Crawford. "But that summer, Dave Nonis took over as GM and he told me we had to go meet the twins overseas. We went to England to meet them. J.P. Barry was there as well. Turns out the twins were basically concerned that I didn't like them enough and I didn't play them enough. They knew that they were playing really well and that they weren't getting rewarded with the ice time. The reason was obvious -- at that time, the Naslund-Morrison-Bertuzzi line was still our top line. But the message was received."

Henrik and Daniel Sedin
Henrik, left, and Daniel Sedin signed identical contract extensions this past offseason (five-year, $30.5M deals).

Post-lockout: "Sisters" become "stars"
While young stars Ovechkin and Crosby took the Eastern Conference by storm coming out of the 2004-05 lockout, the Sedin twins emerged from the work stoppage as first-line, bona fide stars.

Both players set careers highs in points, clearly responding to the extra ice time and the roles Crawford gave them.

"By the end of that year [2005-06], they definitely were our top guys," said Crawford. "They had surpassed Naslund and Bertuzzi by that time."

The hard work paid off. The "sisters" were now "stars."

"We try to be consistent," said Daniel. "We know what we're going to do, that is key, do the same things over and over again."

You want consistency? In the four full seasons since the lockout, the twins each averaged 78 points per season, Henrik edging Daniel 314 points to 311. Henrik was plus-58 over those four seasons, Daniel plus-56. There's consistency, and then there's eerie similarity and carbon copy: Henrik and Daniel each posted 82 points last season.

They look so darn alike, it only stands to reason they would produce the same numbers. Last Saturday morning at the pregame skate in Toronto, Canucks forward Mikael Samuelsson switched the Sedins' nameplates around in the visitors dressing room. Some Toronto media members didn't notice and left their scrums identifying the wrong brother for their particular quotes.

"The best story I have for that was during their first season, and it just shows you what great kids they are," said Crawford, now head coach in Dallas. "It was during a faceoff play in our end. I yelled at Henrik, just screaming at him, but it was actually Daniel that let the guy go on the faceoff. But I'm just yelling at Henrik and he took it. We were walking off the ice after the game and Daniel turned to me and said, 'Just want you to know that that was me.' And he kept walking. I just started laughing."

The standoff: No pushovers
The Sedins are two of the nicest players you'll find in the NHL, but that doesn't mean they're pushovers. Represented by one of the NHL's toughest negotiators in Barry of CAA Sports, the twins pushed the Canucks right to the limit last offseason, waiting until the eve of the July 1 free-agency period before signing identical (of course) five-year, $30.5 million contract extensions.

One more day, or a few more hours as it were, and the twins were unrestricted free agents. For Canucks fans, it was a frightful few weeks in June 2009, the thought of their beloved twins bolting town. The twins? Cool as ice, as always.

"We didn't really think about it," said Henrik. "J.P. was doing everything and was talking to [Canucks GM] Mike [Gillis]. For us, it had been about the summertime, showing up in the gym and getting better that way. We knew everything would take care of itself. If Vancouver wanted us, then we stay there; if not, then we were ready to go somewhere else. It wasn't a big deal."

But they nearly did leave. Barry, for one, exited the NHL draft in Montreal thinking as much.

"We had one more meeting before the draft and we agreed to disagree," Barry told ESPN.com. "I shook Mike's hand and said, 'That's it. We're going to Sweden to prepare for free agency.'"

But Gillis had one more play. He surprised the twins and Barry by showing up in Stockholm.

"Our objective in going to Stockholm was to make sure they understood that they were key guys on our team," said Gillis. "We wanted to re-sign them. In order to have a competitive team, we needed to do certain things under the salary cap and they accepted that."

In the end, both sides compromised. The Canucks moved from $5.5 million a year and Barry moved from $6.5 million a year. The $6.1 million average is below what they would have received on the open market, but it wasn't all about money with the twins.

"The twins made their final decision a few hours before July 1," said Barry. "We were confident we could have got similar offers in the marketplace to what Marian Hossa and Marian Gaborik got. But ultimately, the twins were very happy in Vancouver and that was the deciding factor for them."

This season: "A lesson in character"
The twins have responded to their newfound riches with the best hockey of their careers this season.

"I give them credit, they came in here this year and have been absolutely fantastic after getting that kind of security," said Gillis. "It's a lesson in character."

But because Daniel was felled by a foot injury, Henrik has really come to the forefront. With his brother out, he proved a few things: He could still produce without Daniel at his side, putting up 18 points in 18 games while Daniel was gone, and lead his team to victories. That is why Henrik is so worthy of consideration for the Hart Trophy.

There's certainly an element of satisfaction in quieting critics who say the Sedins can't stand alone.

"I think so," said Daniel. "We can't do much about those kinds of things [what other people think], but it is good to know. For him to see he could play that kind of hockey, I think it was huge, and for myself, too."

Henrik has also changed his game. Henrik has always been the passer, Daniel the shooter. But Henrik potted 10 goals while Daniel was out. Who knew?

"I don't know if he shot the puck more, but he was finding the scoring areas," Daniel said. "He really took it upon himself to do things out there and it was great to watch for myself. And for his confidence, it really helped. Once I was back, he just kept doing the same things. I think he got better as a hockey player."

Henrik, like his brother, has done it without much input.

"For a coach, you talk about low maintenance or no maintenance at all, he just goes out and does his job, prepares well," Vigneault said of Henrik. "And he's a real team guy. His focus is always on what the team needs."

That's what a leader does.

"He's moved into a much greater leadership role on the team," said Gillis. "I think he really feels that this is his and his brother's team. They want to be the leaders. They want to be the go-to guys every night and they're embracing it and they're going with it."

That was the plan all along.

Pierre LeBrun covers the NHL for ESPN.com.

[En4cer]

just watched some sportsnet and there was interest from the canucks for kariya

prob just a rumor thou

[PavelGTR]

Originally Posted by Tegra_devil

if i do remember correctly you guys lost to carolina sometime in december...but thanks for coming out

Holy shit do you ever get a lot of confidence from one win. Where the hell where you when the got shutout by the Flyers? or on their huge losing streak?

[murd0c]

Originally Posted by En4cer

just watched some sportsnet and there was interest from the canucks for kariya

prob just a rumor thou

I would be happy to see that no questions asked.

[Durrann]

Originally Posted by murd0c

I would be happy to see that no questions asked.

i rather have kariya than kovi

[Tim Budong]

Originally Posted by orange7

not really. I don't think that habbit applies to this team anymore. Just look at last night's game. Although they lost, they badly outshot the opponent. I'm actually quite proud of their effort last night. They didn't get the good bounces they needed, but they really showed a lot of offensive effort.

really do u watch enough canucks hockey?

[orange7]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

really do u watch enough canucks hockey?

lol.. my last few posts have been pretty gay. I was just fooling around in here, contradicting to what ppl say. I mean If you actually payed attention to what you were failing, you would notice that I first dissed the flames (by saying they only beat a shitty team) then I backed them up (their losing streak is negligible now).

Umm.. if you visit this thread frequently, you'll also see me post something about the Canucks losing to shitty teams the day before they play them.


oh, to answer you question, no I don't watch enough Canucks hockey because I have no life and study 24/7.

[LsquareD]

It'd be sick if we got Kariya. He used to be my favourite player when he played for the "Mighty" Ducks with Selanne. He also has the same birthday as me
Posted via RS Mobile

[Tegra_Devil]

Originally Posted by Livre

Holy shit do you ever get a lot of confidence from one win. Where the hell where you when the got shutout by the Flyers? or on their huge losing streak?

wow...you need to learn to read more...

i merely said it looks like we had a good game and chemistry is coming together

and i even stated the fact we played against a shitty carolina team...but if a nuck fan can call me out on it being a shitty carolina team, then i think it is equally fair to call out there loss this season to them as well..

nothing wrong with believing in my team when i notice they play a pretty good game..for once lately...pumping out 49 shots and only letting 28 on us

you sir are a retard

ps- if you didnt notice...ive been here the whole losing streak too

[Greenstoner]

bernier should be benched and called up grabner

[Hondaracer]

Fuck Kariya and small players in general, those players don't give you the kind of push you need in the playoffs, I highly doubt he could bring life to the third/fourth line anymore than a grabner or hansen could
Posted via RS Mobile