Official 2009/2010 Canucks Thread

[saiko]

Originally Posted by Jah Gekko

Question for you guys, seeing how the next 3 games are basically meaningless, do you guys want the Canucks to lose vs. the Avs and basically make it even tougher for the Flamers to get into the playoffs or beat the Avs and set up a crazy matchup vs. the Flamers on Sat.

I don't think the 'nucks would tank it against the AVs, or even their last three games. But I think AV did say they were going to try slightly different things, giving other guys more ice time and in different situations, and start Rayzor for one of the three remaining games..

It would definitely be cruel to tank it against the AVs just to spite the flames!

[InvisibleSoul]

Originally Posted by Gumby

I checked the score before reading a bedtime story to my son. It was 2-1.

I come back and it's 4-3 (OT). WTF.

What's so WTF about that? If all you knew was that the score was 2-1 at one point and then you found out it ended 4-3 in OT, seems pretty standard.

It's only WTF if you knew we scored an empty netter before letting in two goals with their goalie pulled that it becomes WTF.

[InvisibleSoul]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

As far as "only 50 players were asked" give your head a shake. Assuming the margin of error is low, and the sample was random enough, asking 50 is just about as good as asking all 700-or-so players. So rather than thinking "only 3 players said he's the most overrated" consider it about 40-50 players. In any case, his name will come up more than anyone else. But if you want to argue with these guys, go for it.

It may be possible that if every player was polled that Luongo could emerge as the top choice... but based on the limited sample pool and the fact that he was barely the top choice, I don't believe it's anywhere near enough to conclusively state that it is a precise respresentation of the entire population.

[MWR34]

I just want Hanke to get to point 111.

[MR_BIGGS]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Oh really, let's ask the players in the NHL then.

MOST OVERRATED
Roberto Luongo 6%
Vincent Lecavalier, Dion Phaneuf, Jay Bouwmeester, Sean Avery 4%

I'll concede that there were probably more overrated players in a "long long time" so I'll strike that from my comment. Luongo is still the most overrated player in the last 3 years though.

Considering Luongo has a gold medal, Vinny has a stanley cup, and Avery bangs hot celebrity bitches, was the poll brought to you by Haterade??

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

He still got more votes than anyone else

As far as "only 50 players were asked" give your head a shake. Assuming the margin of error is low, and the sample was random enough, asking 50 is just about as good as asking all 700-or-so players. So rather than thinking "only 3 players said he's the most overrated" consider it about 40-50 players. In any case, his name will come up more than anyone else. But if you want to argue with these guys, go for it.

But you're probably right, though. Luongo is the best goalie ever, and has proven himself time and again during the regular season and playoffs. I bet he even gave up that soft goal in the Gold medal game, to make things more exciting. Right?

One side can say he's overrated all they want, and the other side can say he's the best in the league. You all can argue like idots until the cows come home. However, for those that say he's overrated, take a look at this list of goalies, all of which have played for the Canucks. With names like Kevin, Weekes, Dan Cloutier and Corey fucking Schwab, having Luongo traded to the Canucks was a god send!

In sports, justifying how well a player plays based on how much they make doesn't work. In thoery it should, but it just doesn't. Sure, goalies with big contracts have rarely taken their team for a skate with the cup. Any goalie can get streaky late in the playoff rounds and perform in god-mode, but your chances are higher if you have a proven netminder.

Alex Auld
Murray Bannerman
Martin Brochu
Richard Brodeur
Gary Bromley
Bruce Bullock
Sean Burke
Frank Caprice
Jacques Caron
Dan Cloutier
Ed Dyck
Ken Ellacott
Bob Essensa
Mike Fountain
Troy Gamble
George Gardner
John Garrett
Glen Hanlon
Johan Hedberg
Rick Heinz
Corey Hirsch
Charlie Hodge
Arturs Irbe
Jason LaBarbera
Ken Lockett
Roberto Luongo
Drew MacIntyre
Cesare Maniago
Bob Mason
Steve McKichan
Kirk McLean
Dave McClelland
Rob McVicar
Alfie Michaud
Tyler Moss
Mika Noronen
Maxime Ouellet
Félix Potvin
Andrew Raycroft
Curt Ridley
Dany Sabourin
Curtis Sanford
Cory Schneider
Corey Schwab
Petr Skudra
Gary Smith
Garth Snow
Kevin Weekes
Steve Weeks
Kay Whitmore
Dunc Wilson
Wendell Young

Vancouver fans that say Luongo is overrated may have a point at times, but as fans who have followed the team for any period of time, do they forget the shit that has come through here? Corey "kick me I'm a ginger" Hirsh.. like come on!

[Harvey Specter]

And if Luongo takes us to the cup final, all these people calling him "overrated" will be rocking Lu t-shirts, calling him the best player ever and riding his cock. Gotta love hockey fans in Vancouver.

[shawn79]

^ dont mess with the white man from hong kong who speaks chinese!!!

[JKam]

you guys are stupid. you just don't see skinnypupp's point. i'm not even going to bother explaining it because you're too stupid to understand.

oh and I want canucks to play to win. start luongo each game to get him back into his groove and get henrik as many points as possible.

[SpuGen]

Originally Posted by Jah Gekko

Question for you guys, seeing how the next 3 games are basically meaningless, do you guys want the Canucks to lose vs. the Avs and basically make it even tougher for the Flamers to get into the playoffs or beat the Avs and set up a crazy matchup vs. the Flamers on Sat.

Play to win.
But I secretly cheer for Brandon Yip.

[cctw]

Originally Posted by Jah Gekko

And if Luongo takes us to the cup final, all these people calling him "overrated" will be rocking Lu t-shirts, calling him the best player ever and riding his cock. Gotta love hockey fans in Vancouver.

WELL..its also a possibility that Luongo will tank in one of the series to be replaced by a hot Razor that'll take the canucks far..like how Giguere carried Anaheim...

you never know..

[JKam]

Originally Posted by cctw

WELL..its also a possibility that Luongo will tank in one of the series to be replaced by a hot Razor that'll take the canucks far..like how Giguere carried Anaheim...

you never know..

I wonder what Gillis would do if that happened... lol


*I'm just saying this hypothetically and in no way implying this should happen*
Trade Lu and bring up Schneider to share the net with Razor? hahah

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by InvisibleSoul

What's so WTF about that? If all you knew was that the score was 2-1 at one point and then you found out it ended 4-3 in OT, seems pretty standard.

It's only WTF if you knew we scored an empty netter before letting in two goals with their goalie pulled that it becomes WTF.

When I checked, it was 3 minutes left, score 2-1. Of course, you hope the final score is 2-1, 3-1, or even 3-2 OT. Expect my surprise when it was 4-3 OT!

[Tim Budong]

Lets be fucking honest about Luongo here. This is a player that have shown consistently that he needs to face shots in order to be good. His rise to fame was with the Panthers, constant 40+shots a night with a very good save percentage. That is Florida

Welcome to Vancouver, where its tighter D and he needs to be sharp. Has Luongo done this. YES he has. Dallas series back in 07. The Canucks have been pretty good, letting up on average 30shots a game, he still pulled amazing numbers. Until he went down with that groin injury in Pittsburgh last season. Since then, Mr.Luongo has not been the same netminder we know who PLAYS WITH CONSISTENCY.

In my mind, Luongo is NOT over rated. Luongos weakest link as we found out over the past two seasons is that short side. The big man doesn't hug the posts due to his sheer size. Its a part of his game that is going to be improved, and the man can still improve.

Lets analyze the Canucks this year now. The Mike Gillis/Nonis goal was to develop from Goalie Out. the team is built GOALIE OUT. and look at where we are now. One of the highest scoring teams in the league, and also places a very physical and TECHNICAL blueline that has a balance of speed and size.

The fact is this, Luongo needs to find that zone again, because the Canucks will not be the same team two seasons ago that can somewhat give up 35+shots a night

[keitaro]

via sportsnetmurph on twitter

Looks like Ryan Johnson injured his foot blocking shot last night, no word on extent of damage but he wont play tomorrow. Pettinger recalled

Johnson hurt his foot blocking a Marek Zidlicky slapper in the 1st period. Apparently not the same type of break as in January

I hope Johnson is going to be ok for the playoffs. That guy is a warrior blocking crazy ass shots some of the hardest shooters in the nhl.

[fobulaus]

Lady on CDC tatoos Luongo on her arm

[Tapioca]

Originally Posted by keitaro

via sportsnetmurph on twitter
I hope Johnson is going to be ok for the playoffs. That guy is a warrior blocking crazy ass shots some of the hardest shooters in the nhl.

Or... he gets burned and Drew Doughty walks around him and blasts a shot from the point which leads to a goal (which happened the other night against the Kings.)

Pettinger can at least handle the puck - can't say the same for Johnson.

We shouldn't be worried about Johnson, but we should be worried if Erhoff doesn't make it back for Round 1.

[RTS]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

Luongo = most overrated NHL player in a long, long time.

I finally agree with something you post.

I can't believe people in Vancouver keep drinking the Luongo kool-aid. Is he a good goalie? Yes. Is he an elite goalie that deserves to tie up $7M and be captain (or better yet, can he handle it?) NO.

A team doesn't need an elite goalie to win a Cup, they just need a decent one on a good streak. All the fanboys in the world isn't going to help when Andrew Alberts or some other 3rd rate D is letting the Hawks, Penguins or Capitals fly by him and go top shelf on Lou.

[Tim Budong]

Im just gonna say this on Luongo. I'm neither a fan nor hater on bobby lou. In fact, my favorite active goaltender who finally got his chance would be Tuukk Rask

Let the end of this season after the playoffs to full judge Luongo.

RTS, you said it right, teams dont need elite goaltenders to win. The Canes did it, and somehow Detroit has been doing it for years. That is if you DONT consider Osgood as "elite"

I think someone just has to go up to bobby lou and tell him to relax.

[Gt-R R34]

Alex Auld
Murray Bannerman
Martin Brochu
Richard Brodeur
Gary Bromley
Bruce Bullock
Sean Burke
Frank Caprice
Jacques Caron
Dan Cloutier
Ed Dyck
Ken Ellacott
Bob Essensa
Mike Fountain
Troy Gamble
George Gardner
John Garrett
Glen Hanlon
Johan Hedberg
Rick Heinz
Corey Hirsch
Charlie Hodge
Arturs Irbe
Jason LaBarbera
Ken Lockett
Roberto Luongo
Drew MacIntyre
Cesare Maniago
Bob Mason
Steve McKichan
Kirk McLean
Dave McClelland
Rob McVicar
Alfie Michaud
Tyler Moss
Mika Noronen
Maxime Ouellet
Félix Potvin
Andrew Raycroft
Curt Ridley
Dany Sabourin
Curtis Sanford
Cory Schneider
Corey Schwab
Petr Skudra
Gary Smith
Garth Snow
Kevin Weekes
Steve Weeks
Kay Whitmore
Dunc Wilson
Wendell Young

We need backup bob back!! He's awesome! loved him when he played in the playoffs that 1 year.

[hotjoint]

Originally Posted by RTS

I can't believe people in Vancouver keep drinking the Luongo kool-aid. Is he a good goalie? Yes. Is he an elite goalie that deserves to tie up $7M and be captain (or better yet, can he handle it?) NO.

A team doesn't need an elite goalie to win a Cup, they just need a decent one on a good streak. All the fanboys in the world isn't going to help when Andrew Alberts or some other 3rd rate D is letting the Hawks, Penguins or Capitals fly by him and go top shelf on Lou.

^ This. Everyone here thinks that Luongo is such a god...

[mikemhg]

People need to fuck off with the band wagon comments, they piss me off to no fucking end.

Why should Luongo get a pass when he shits the pot like this? He's supposed to be the captain and he's been pulled what 10 times this season? That's absolute bullshit.

It's not even like some of these goals were unstoppable, he has shown in the last few months that he is seriously losing his game. We absolutely cannot have that risk come playoff time, or we'll have another Game 7 Chicago like last season.

I don't know what Lu's issue is, but you idiots defending him like he's your best friend has to stop. Be realistic, I will admit Lu has had some great games, but overall he has proven to be very unreliable, even last season.

Not sure if he can handle pressure well, and I certainly don't think he should be Captain, it doesn't seem as though he has the personality to connect with the players like a Captain should.

I mean Christ last game he lets those 2 goals in 22 seconds, skates to the bench and SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to any of the players or to start the OT.

That is something a true Captain does not do. I say give up his C and allow the man to concentrate on getting his mind right, and getting his game back. A goalie as a Captain was a terrible idea in the first place.

[saiko]

Who cares about all this talk, can't we just sit down and enjoy the game for what it is?! There's always going to be busts and gems, that is what makes it exciting and heart breaking.

Go Canucks! 7pm start VS Colorado Avalanche, on Sportsnet!

[MR_BIGGS]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

People need to fuck off with the band wagon comments, they piss me off to no fucking end.

Why should Luongo get a pass when he shits the pot like this? He's supposed to be the captain and he's been pulled what 10 times this season? That's absolute bullshit.

It's not even like some of these goals were unstoppable, he has shown in the last few months that he is seriously losing his game. We absolutely cannot have that risk come playoff time, or we'll have another Game 7 Chicago like last season.

I don't know what Lu's issue is, but you idiots defending him like he's your best friend has to stop. Be realistic, I will admit Lu has had some great games, but overall he has proven to be very unreliable, even last season.

Not sure if he can handle pressure well, and I certainly don't think he should be Captain, it doesn't seem as though he has the personality to connect with the players like a Captain should.

I mean Christ last game he lets those 2 goals in 22 seconds, skates to the bench and SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to any of the players or to start the OT.

That is something a true Captain does not do. I say give up his C and allow the man to concentrate on getting his mind right, and getting his game back. A goalie as a Captain was a terrible idea in the first place.

A true captain doesn't need a C on their jersey or in Luongo's case on their helmet to be considered a leader in the dressing room. Players know who the leaders are on their team.

For myself, I don’t think Luongo’s overrated nor do I think he’s just a decent goalie. Sure I wouldn’t mention him in the same breath as Brodeur. I don’t get too high when he’s in god mode or think he’s shitty when he lets a bad goal or two or three in.

My only thing is, as a Canucks fan, we have suffered with soooo many shitty goalies, and we finally have one locked up that has proved he can be an elite goalie. (The fact that some people who cheer the Canucks still have a debate on him being able to play like an elite goalie surprises me).

Many people have the thinking of spend money elsewhere, and have a decent goalie in net, and yes this may have worked for some teams, but other teams have also failed because of this formula. Look at the Flyers, they’ve had “decent” goalies for years now, and how many times have these goalies gotten “hot” for 4 rounds in the playoffs?? What happened to Washington last season against the Pens? It came down to goaltending.

No Luongo does not get a pass in my books when he plays shitty, but let’s be honest, he’s being judged on what he does in the playoffs, not this regular season, and realistically:

What are RS member’s opinions on what would constitute a good season? For me, nothing short then a conference final.

[cctw]

Dallas series back in 07....i dont rmb Luongo playing well, I remember everyone shitting their pants cos the whole Canucks team blew a 3-1 series lead and was down 1-0 in game 7 before coming back...

as for Luongo, no doubt he is a good goalie, but imo not worth the $7million. The reason why ppl are not happy with his play is he's not playing up to his worth. If he was getting $4 million a year I'm almost positive most here would say he's playing his worth and so be it. BUT as some of you already mentioned the Canucks team has be built around Luongo, which is why if the goalie tanks the whole team tanks.

oh yes..and just for comparison...we've been ripping Brodeur for the whole season on how many times he's been pulled due to his bad play...HOWEVER, since you guys are so much into stats, Brodeur has more minutes on the ice that Luongo and has a better GAA and save percentage than Luongo. And yes the east may be a tad weaker than the west as usual, but at least pittsburgh is in their division which balances it out a little bit i guess.

All in all, I imo like to look at GAA more than save percentage. I'd much rather have Luongo let in a consistent 2 goals a game and give the team a chance to win all 3 games than to let in 1 goal in 2 games and then 4 in the 3rd and basically give up on winning the 3rd game.

[noots]

Sports Illustrated conducted their own survey of 272 players. Couldn't find the exact link to the survey but the article on it is here

Based on a survey of 272 NHL players, the top five overrated players were:
Dion Phaneuf, Maple Leafs, D........20.6%
Wade Redden, Rangers, D..........6.7%
Scott Gomez, Canadiens, C.........5.8%
Sean Avery, Rangers, L...........5.4%
Shawn Horcoff, Oilers, C...........4.5%

Personally I find these surveys are interesting but people get too caught up in them. Players put 'overrated' and 'overpaid' in the same thought. That's why Wade Redden is second even though everybody knows he sucks.

Lou is a top 5 goalie in the league and one of the best in the world when he's on his game. He has taken a lot of criticism this season because he been struggling in a Canadian market. Because of that, there is going to be a lot of hype surrounding him and critics scrutinize every aspect and stat of his game. (The Sedins are an exception. I still think they don't get the credit they deserve from the rest of the league). Everybody is pointing out that his stats are lower this season but the change into a more offensive style of play gets no mention.

That being said, Luongo has been shitting the bed recently and if Luongo and Canucks fans ever want him to shake off that image, he needs to win SOMETHING in the NHL. The Olympics aren't good enough because haters will say that the team carried him. I don't give a shit with how many goals he lets in during the playoffs. As long as he gets the team to 16 wins, I'll be happy with his play.