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07-27-2009, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by asahai69  ok there buddy. your tappin your fingers on your keyboard without thinking shit through first. dudes arent buying v10/v12 engines with 450+ hp for practical reasons. hence why honda will keep on making 4 bangers. its practical family vehicles that have the majority of sales. hence the reason why honda will be the most boring fucking auto company in the world. and exactly why honda will also be one of the most profitable auto companies of the world.
they dont sell as many vehicles as the do for being dumb asses. | I know I am comparing apples and oranges here, but Porsche makes hell a lot of money from each car, but they are still fun to drive.
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07-28-2009, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Tapioca Toyota is probably the most boring car maker from Japan, not Honda. But, boring is what the market wants, I guess. | Uuuuuh no.
1. Boring is not what the market wants. Its efficiency and value. You've only translated fact to opinion for the convenience of trashing a label that is not of your preference.
2. If you only cared to look further from what you see in a dealership showroom and delve deeper into its automotive history, you'd realize you couldn't be further from the truth; And i'm not just talking what consisted their previous lineup as well (Supra, MR2, AWD Celica) but their various participation in automotive competition as well; F1, Rally (and Lemans IIRC).
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07-28-2009, 12:48 AM
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#103 | | I WANT MY 10 YEARS BACK FROM RS.net!
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haha
mugen and asahi both make great points, but are so blinded by their stubborn fanboyism.
apparently honda admitted that they were losing money on ever DC2R they sold from the first production to its discontinuation.
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07-28-2009, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SpuGen My 4.0L V8 with RWD Lexus gets up Boundary at 2000rpms barely touching the throttle, and it's still gaining speed. For an engine that was developed during the 80's and released in 89, I get about 400 to the tank at $70 worth of 91. Vtec what?
You forget that theres still the IS and the SC430.
Acura will get nowhere fast without V8 and RWD.
Look at Lexus, the pinnacle of Luxury Japanese cars. Started with V8 and RWD, and sticking with it all the way through. Even Infiniti and Hyundai are following suit. | NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!!!
now you wonna compare 4 banger with v8? why not compare ur v8 with V12 6.3 AMg engine and how it lacks of torque because it doesnt fucking produce 600 pounds of torque? i bet it goes up the hill at 1500rpm at 7th gear auto
name a fucking 4 banger that can climb up SFU without having it to rev up at 3000rpm and still maintain 85km
mazda 3? nope, 8th gen civci? nope, celica GTS? nope, altima 2.5? nope
apple vs apple please
name a 4 banger that makes greater than 160 pounds of torque N/A!!!!
jesus fuck
was NSX ever slow? no 12.8 1/4 mile stock
was DC5 ever tat slow? no not really, best stock can hit 14.5
IS genesis 2.0T stock for stock faster than DC5 with its turbo? no
with simple bolt on and kpro 13.5-13.8 is doable.
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07-28-2009, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by twitchyzero haha
mugen and asahi both make great points, but are so blinded by their stubborn fanboyism.
apparently honda admitted that they were losing money on ever DC2R they sold from the first production to its discontinuation. | fanboism? maybe, soso i dont know
i just cant support a company that can barely keep itself above the ocean to survive, yet still able to make great reliable products? hell they cant even pay their staffs properly
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07-28-2009, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Noir 1. Boring is not what the market wants. Its efficiency and value. You've only translated fact to opinion for the convenience of trashing a label that is not of your preference. | Unfortunately "efficiency and value" typically tends to equate to "boring." Look at most of the cheap, fuel efficient models out there. Ignoring their top end and sporty models, base and mid-level cars such as the Fit, Yaris, Echo, Aveo, Civic, Versa, City Golf/Jetta and the like all have such plain and average styling on both the inside and outside.
Face it, that's what the majority of people want: Base and mid-level trims. If you're looking at the sport models of those cars, then efficiency most likely isn't your top priority. Value, mayhaps, but not MPG. Quote:
Originally Posted by Noir 2. If you only cared to look further from what you see in a dealership showroom and delve deeper into its automotive history, you'd realize you couldn't be further from the truth; And i'm not just talking what consisted their previous lineup as well (Supra, MR2, AWD Celica) but their various participation in automotive competition as well; F1, Rally (and Lemans IIRC). | Don't forget NASCAR for Toyota...  | |
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07-28-2009, 09:59 AM
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Good move by Honda, V8's and RWD aren't needed on the roads unless they are in a big work truck or van. I look forward to see what they do with the upcoming CR-Z and the 9th gen civic.
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07-28-2009, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by asahai69 the fact that you compared dodge to honda just makes me laugh. yeah man. vipers/viper trucks/srt-8 chargers and challengers/srt-4 cobalt are sooo fucking boring compared to any honda vehicle.
but then again. i have never got the same boner you do when ur V-TEC kicks in and your doing 85 in 5th gear revving at 6000rpm!!!!! that must be some feeling. i totally envy you | this is turning into a fightclub type of debate!, I guess the consequences of making too many exciting cars like corvette, SRT-8, Viper, CTS-V, and 100 differnet model v8/v10 SUV/trucks = Bankruptcy, and needing government bail-out support.
Honda has changed their brand image completely which is why the majority of RS member will turn to BMW or other more fresh looking companies for their future car shopping, assuming money/fuel economy isn't a critiria.
The only other economical brand that makes a V8 is hyundai genesis. To market and compete with other luxury V8's will be too difficult for Honda i guess.
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07-28-2009, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN
wtf, you bash honda in the first place because they make boring cars.
Now i said if Honda continued with their original route like their NSX project would it still be boring as FUCK and it was gonna be a V10 with 550hp??
Isnt the reason why Toyota and NIssan didnt get labeled boring as fuck category by you because they have IS-F and GTR?
| honda makes good cars. but theyre fucking boring. i dunno how you argue with that. and ya. toyota and nissan took a chance. a chance that honda will probably not take in the near future.
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07-28-2009, 02:08 PM
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the above statement i can live with it   | |
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07-28-2009, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wasabisashimi this is turning into a fightclub type of debate!, I guess the consequences of making too many exciting cars like corvette, SRT-8, Viper, CTS-V, and 100 differnet model v8/v10 SUV/trucks = Bankruptcy, and needing government bail-out support. | Actually, overpaying their workers, over the top benefits and retirement packages are what led to the bankruptcy. GM has no problem moving cars, Chevy was the second best selling brand behind Toyota last year. It's not that people aren't buying their cars, it's because they're not making money from the cars they sold. http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/..._losers/3.html
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07-28-2009, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK!!!!!!!
now you wonna compare 4 banger with v8? why not compare ur v8 with V12 6.3 AMg engine and how it lacks of torque because it doesnt fucking produce 600 pounds of torque? i bet it goes up the hill at 1500rpm at 7th gear auto
name a fucking 4 banger that can climb up SFU without having it to rev up at 3000rpm and still maintain 85km
mazda 3? nope, 8th gen civci? nope, celica GTS? nope, altima 2.5? nope
apple vs apple please
name a 4 banger that makes greater than 160 pounds of torque N/A!!!!
jesus fuck
was NSX ever slow? no 12.8 1/4 mile stock
was DC5 ever tat slow? no not really, best stock can hit 14.5
IS genesis 2.0T stock for stock faster than DC5 with its turbo? no
with simple bolt on and kpro 13.5-13.8 is doable. | Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque.
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07-28-2009, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff_alexander Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque. | Tell that to the president of Honda corp. Why don't they build any turbos?
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07-28-2009, 05:42 PM
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#114 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
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Originally Posted by jeff_alexander Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque. | He said N/A = naturally aspirated. That's how you get torque out of 4-bangers... force-feed them.
Otherwise I can't recall a non-diesel 4-cylinder engine with 160+lb/ft of torque.
Honda would argue against turbos for complexity and reliability reasons, I think. That's why they've almost always gone N/A.
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honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV...
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Originally Posted by Jackygor honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV... | Whoops, I forgot about the RDX. 
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Originally Posted by PeanutButter Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"? | | |
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Originally Posted by jeff_alexander Mazdaspeed3/6 with 280ftlb of torque. | hmmm
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Looking at how Honda quit F1 because of their epic fail management, I won't expect them to make anything exciting.
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they make exciting motor bikes and lawn cutting machines, and i'm pretty sure they will continue to make them.
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Cos they are still sort of competitive in MotoGP and their 600cc bikes still make them money.
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Originally Posted by Jackygor honda did make a 4 banger with a turbo, too bad they put it on a SUV... | now imagine they put that into a civic. im sure alot of ppl would buy that. that car would be fuckin quick and fun to drive. minus the torque steer.
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out of curiousity, how many non Honda owners here would buy a RWD V8 Honda? How many would be able to afford it?
ain't going to be cheap, thats for damn sure
oh, and if the answer is NO to any of the above questions, then you shouldn't really bash Honda for not making one.
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#123 | | Hypa owned my ass at least once
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Originally Posted by asahai69 now imagine they put that into a civic. im sure alot of ppl would buy that. that car would be fuckin quick and fun to drive. minus the torque steer. | No.
That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it.
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That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it. | this is revscene. im sure alot of people did not buy the vehicles they're driving. oh ya. i forgot to add that they should put that engine in a civic and make that the Si. costs shouldnt be that high compared to the price of the Si they have now.
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Originally Posted by Noir No.
That would push cost to either $30,000 or close to it. Nobody in their right mind would throw that kind of money for a Civic. Unless its someone other than you paying for it. | at least tats the price people are paying for mazda 3 and neon , wait SRT-4, WRX
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