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09-24-2009, 11:16 PM
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#51 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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09-25-2009, 12:43 AM
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#52 | | My homepage has been set to RS
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Originally Posted by Great68 Unless you are tracking your car, or breaking road laws on a regular basis, RWD is a novelty. | I couldn't disagree more saying that RWD is a novelty. It is true that most people who owns a RWD cannot utilizes 10% of its full potential, be it on the track or on the road, but we live in an era of excess, everything from the things you wear to the things you eat, I would even go as far as to say that it is the social norm to have things that are well beyond our needs.
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09-25-2009, 01:09 AM
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#53 | | Banned By Establishment
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Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN yes yes i know, i love mazdaspeed 3 dont get me wrong, its one of my top 3 favorite car around that price tag
anything with turbo/SC will get hp/torque
thats a no brainer | focus st gets about 160 lb of torque which is more than most 4 bangers and is NA.
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09-25-2009, 03:10 AM
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#54 | | I STILL don't get it
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Originally Posted by ShaughnessyREN a stock civic SI will stomp your stock Mazda 3 anytime
to op: watch for r18 civics
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si is outta ur league | i never said my "stock" mazda3 is going to stomp a stock SI?
and are we talking SI or Civics? we're talking hondas in general.
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09-25-2009, 11:36 AM
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#55 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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Originally Posted by Jackygor I couldn't disagree more saying that RWD is a novelty. It is true that most people who owns a RWD cannot utilizes 10% of its full potential, be it on the track or on the road, but we live in an era of excess, everything from the things you wear to the things you eat, I would even go as far as to say that it is the social norm to have things that are well beyond our needs. |
That is a very true saying. People like the luxury of having MORE. Even if you don't ever use them. Case and point, that Dubai guy with 5000 cars (from the other thread).
Even as a kid, I would go compare who has the most Pokemon cards.
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09-25-2009, 11:39 AM
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#56 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
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FWD is fun. Until you are understeering into a barrier and have to bail out of the car GTA style.
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09-25-2009, 12:54 PM
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#57 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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FWD = fail.
4 banger = fail.
v6 = fail.
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09-25-2009, 12:58 PM
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^actually I think v6's are a perfect mix of economy and power.
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09-25-2009, 01:15 PM
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The problem with V6 FWD currently is the extra weight and the limitation of the gearboxes.. While RWD, 7 speeds is getting to be the standard in the next 12 months.. because FWD's width limitation, you can't really go that route.
Also you are compromising the turning radius... The same problem, that doomed US cars as unweldy in 80s and 90s. Except this time we are doing turbos.
Unless some company invest in the iQ setup for higher power application, where the differential is actually in front of the drivetrain. FWD is limited.
As for power of the 4bangers.. even Honda admit VTEC / high RPM is not sustainable.. it is more fuel efficient to have most of the torque in the lower RPM range.
Again FWD is cost first, performance second. Quote:
Originally Posted by MajinHurricane ^actually I think v6's are a perfect mix of economy and power. | | |
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09-25-2009, 01:19 PM
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Cobalt ss ftw I got my 07 ss from the dealer it came with stage 2 and I paid 13500 before taxes . Car is over alla good car , other than wheel hop. I dynoed it during rg dyno day 180whp and 163torq and the selection for after market parts is endless.
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09-25-2009, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Zulu FWD = fail.
4 banger = fail.
v6 = fail. | Feel free to bring your car to the track and feel the fail from all the 4 bangers all night long.
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09-25-2009, 01:29 PM
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#62 | | 2x Variable Nockenwellen Steuerung
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Err wheel hop is a symptom of the design limitation of FWD.
Yes FWD is cheap, but good performance ie no wheel hopping is not. Quote:
Originally Posted by MaGNuM16 Cobalt ss ftw I got my 07 ss from the dealer it came with stage 2 and I paid 13500 before taxes . Car is over alla good car , other than wheel hop. I dynoed it during rg dyno day 180whp and 163torq and the selection for after market parts is endless. | | |
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09-25-2009, 08:43 PM
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#63 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by FeistyBearH22a Feel free to bring your car to the track and feel the fail from all the 4 bangers all night long. |
And tell me, which FWD 4 banger is going to cause me to feel anything in the vette? Yeah that's what I thought. Go back to counting your MPG riceboi. Quote:
Originally Posted by MajinHurricane ^actually I think v6's are a perfect mix of economy and power. | That's because you = fail.
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09-25-2009, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MajinHurricane ^actually I think v6's are a perfect mix of economy and power. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Zulu That's because you = fail. | 
I've owned vehicles with engines as small as a 1.8 4cyl (Jetta) and as large a 427 big block V8 ('Vette) and many engines inbetween, both N/A and F/I'ed. When I was younger, it seemed like there was nothing better in the world than having a giant V8 in front of your feet, but as priorities change and you start to actually think about things like fuel economy and how much money you're burning, you learn to compromise a bit. While I still love V8's, I don't see much in the way of practical use for 'em. They simply are a novelty for 99% of the time. I'll never go back to a tiny 4cyl again, but my current two cars consist of a 2.5 V6 and a 2.4 I4 and the power/acceleration of both are very similar (well, until the V6 finally get's the blower installed), though the I4 has sooo much better fuel economy.
So for the best compromise, I'm going to have to agree with Majinhurricane and state that V6's tend to be the best all-rounder solution.
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09-25-2009, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Zulu And tell me, which FWD 4 banger is going to cause me to feel anything in the vette? Yeah that's what I thought. Go back to counting your MPG riceboi. | My twin-turbo 1.8L RWD 200sx would have definitely given your 'Vette a run for it's money at Mission Raceway and would definitely have walked all over it in Auto-X.  | |
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09-25-2009, 09:19 PM
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#66 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Lomac
-but as priorities change and you start to actually think about things like fuel economy and how much money you're burning, you learn to compromise a bit- |
Personally, I'd just not get so poor that it mattered... but that's me. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lomac My twin-turbo 1.8L RWD 200sx would have definitely given your 'Vette a run for it's money at Mission Raceway and would definitely have walked all over it in Auto-X. | Mmmm, probably not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5pboIuiYAA
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09-25-2009, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Zulu | I've no idea what the point of that video was, but okay? Had a '63 Split window Vette with a 427 implanted into it. It sounded very similar to that. In fact, my '03 Mustang GT with a Borla system sounded just as good. But comparing V8 exhaust tones is kinda pointless in a thread intended for talking about FWD performance, no?
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09-25-2009, 09:43 PM
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while FWD may be as gay as mugen evolutions boyfriend, after watching a few modded FWDs with slicks race around the auto-x course, I have a little more respect for them.
They can be quick, and funny to watch as their inside rear wheel lifts off the ground and stops moving around a hard corner.
I started out with FWDs, even put down almost 400hp in one, but it was stupid. between wheel hop and torque steer, and that fact that tires can either corner or put down power, not both, FWD is not a performance platform. Fun sure, but not as fun as RWD.
I understand where a lot of you are coming from though. RWD is hard to find these days. Honda doesn't make one, mazda doesn't make one, toyota doesn't make one etc etc. (I know the S2000 is available on the used market and Lexus makes a RWD car but wait)
To buy a new RWD these days what does it take? We'll leave the Genesis Coupe out of this cuz it's a hyundai and fuck all of you, but realisticly. there are no affordable rwd cars out there and most of you are honda fanbois. Not everyone wants to run a early 90s S chassis or a RHD skyline, and a lot of us can't afford to maintain a european car. That leaves the masses with FWD cars.
and with that said, people think FWD is good because there aren't enough RWD options out there.
More people need to drive a RWD sports car THEN make comments about FWD being anything but gay as mugen evolutions boyfriend.
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09-25-2009, 09:44 PM
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#69 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
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Originally Posted by Lomac I've no idea what the point of that video was, but okay? Had a '63 Split window Vette with a 427 implanted into it. It sounded very similar to that. In fact, my '03 Mustang GT with a Borla system sounded just as good. But comparing V8 exhaust tones is kinda pointless in a thread intended for talking about FWD performance, no? | It's actually a thread about FWDs lack of performance. 
* FWD pwns offroad. well. until AWD came along.
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09-25-2009, 10:35 PM
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hmm... this thread is getting kind boring now..
so umm.. I have a friend of a friend... that says AWD's > RWD in drifting.   :
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09-25-2009, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1990TSI I understand where a lot of you are coming from though. RWD is hard to find these days. Honda doesn't make one, mazda doesn't make one, toyota doesn't make one etc etc. (I know the S2000 is available on the used market and Lexus makes a RWD car but wait) | What da phuc bich?
Gaymobile and RX-8 are RWD. All that said, no "daily driverish" type car is really RWD anymore. Mainly the luxo stuff and performance stuff. Quote: |
and with that said, people think FWD is good because there aren't enough RWD options out there.
| In terms of a daily driven car, FWD is superior - it's more economical, which is what should matter for a daily driven car. Fortunately your priorities are different.
Lomac, unless that 200SX was incredibly heavily modified, it wouldn't keep up with a C5 on the track or on the skidpad. AutoX stock, the C5 is classed with stuff like the 997, Elise and Viper.... so... "good luck with that".
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09-25-2009, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AzNightmare hmm... this thread is getting kind boring now..
so umm.. I have a friend of a friend... that says AWD's > RWD in drifting. : | LOLWUT? Maybe off-road, but there's what, like 10 or 20 AWD cars that are in professional drifting (might not be many in Europe)? Pass me some of the shit he's smoking.
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09-26-2009, 12:08 PM
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09-26-2009, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 1990TSI while FWD may be as gay as mugen evolutions boyfriend, after watching a few modded FWDs with slicks race around the auto-x course, I have a little more respect for them.
They can be quick, and funny to watch as their inside rear wheel lifts off the ground and stops moving around a hard corner.
I started out with FWDs, even put down almost 400hp in one, but it was stupid. between wheel hop and torque steer, and that fact that tires can either corner or put down power, not both, FWD is not a performance platform. Fun sure, but not as fun as RWD.
I understand where a lot of you are coming from though. RWD is hard to find these days. Honda doesn't make one, mazda doesn't make one, toyota doesn't make one etc etc. (I know the S2000 is available on the used market and Lexus makes a RWD car but wait)
To buy a new RWD these days what does it take? We'll leave the Genesis Coupe out of this cuz it's a hyundai and fuck all of you, but realisticly. there are no affordable rwd cars out there and most of you are honda fanbois. Not everyone wants to run a early 90s S chassis or a RHD skyline, and a lot of us can't afford to maintain a european car. That leaves the masses with FWD cars.
and with that said, people think FWD is good because there aren't enough RWD options out there.
More people need to drive a RWD sports car THEN make comments about FWD being anything but gay as mugen evolutions boyfriend. | when the fuck did i ever fucking mention OHHH WOWWWW FWD over RWD/AWD? are u fucking blind or something?
get ur fucking fact straight motherufucker
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AWD > everything
when u have too much power/torque , FWD or RWD whether u like it or not its still gonna slip and have traction issues. Therefore AWD > all enough said
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09-26-2009, 03:31 PM
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The sad thing is i work for ford, i get to drive the new vehicles when need be. the mustang gt's are not that fun to drive imo....When i drive something like that that should be a "sports car" and then i get in my civic and feel better performance, that makes me believe in fwd performance. I cant say i have driven a lot of different makes, but i know that Fwd's can be great cars....or they can be gay
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