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12-17-2009, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by willystyle  From a Business sense, you want to promote your latest must-have handsets to the largest population that can reach your product, so that means phone manufacturers will implement chipsets that work for the GSM/HSPA networks. You can argue why they won't add additional frequencies to their chipsets. The solution is simple. COST. All of the GSM/HSPA wireless carriers don't run 1700/2100Mhz in their networks, so it's isn't cost-effective for them to implement this feature. They care less of the smaller customer base in other wireless networks if they can reach their handsets. | Orascom and T-Mobile are pretty big international companies. My guess is that they would have at least some influence on manufacturers.
I see the iPhone as their biggest obstacle. Besides the iPhone, T-Mobile and, say, TELUS have pretty similar smartphone lineups IMO.
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12-17-2009, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ienhz Orascom and T-Mobile are pretty big international companies. My guess is that they would have at least some influence on manufacturers.
I see the iPhone as their biggest obstacle. Besides the iPhone, T-Mobile and, say, TELUS have pretty similar smartphone lineups IMO. | regardless, the iPhone is not "dominant" enough on the rest of the world vs what it is in North America, it will not be hard for Apple to bite away the market share tho. Just wait and see. Big companies and willing companies are totally different
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12-17-2009, 05:10 PM
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reagardless, im goin to wind as soon as it's available. I am sick of fido's crooked ways and rude customer service, been with them since day one too. Fuking cocksuckers.
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12-17-2009, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by J____ reagardless, im goin to wind as soon as it's available. I am sick of fido's crooked ways and rude customer service, been with them since day one too. Fuking cocksuckers. | i would seriously think carefully about this. becuz there is no garauntee in terms of pricing due to no contracts, they could pull the plug on ur plans. no one knos until they operate for at least a year
their goal is to gain market share
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12-17-2009, 05:36 PM
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#105 | | I bringith the lowerballerith
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Originally Posted by J____ reagardless, im goin to wind as soon as it's available. I am sick of fido's crooked ways and rude customer service, been with them since day one too. Fuking cocksuckers. | And how would u know wind won't treat u like that? Posted via RS Mobile | |
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12-17-2009, 07:19 PM
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#106 | | Chinese Guy, Swedish Rides
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Tread carefully. Wait and see.
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12-17-2009, 09:08 PM
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No need to 'wait and seee' with Wind. If they treat you like crap, you can leave. If Rogers or Telus treat you like crap, you are fucked for as long as you're locked in with them.
I think if you're not currently under a contract, you should definitely go with Wind. Give them the traction they need to have an effect on the market. If they are really bad, just leave and sell your soul back to Satan  | |
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12-17-2009, 09:13 PM
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#108 | | Chinese Guy, Swedish Rides
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I would "Thank" you, but I ran out. Again.
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12-18-2009, 01:54 AM
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#109 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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Originally Posted by kayceeee And how would u know wind won't treat u like that? Posted via RS Mobile | I dont. but if they treat me better than fido, i'll stay, if not i can just leave without waiting 3 years. Just yesterday i called in to ask fido about caller ID. My friend's on $40 city fido while mine is $45. Ok he signed up when it first came out within a onth for the $40 price, ok no biggy, but he's getting free caller ID while im getting charged so i called in and asked the agent if he can do something for me politely. He simple said no... so i asked how come he's getting it while i cannot as i've been with fido from day 1 as well, he said they treat every account differently, ok... I then asked if i can speak with retentions, the prick then completely changes his tone and started rudely accusing me saying how i know the 'internal' word for the department to keep customers and i am 'threatening' to cancel just because my friend is getting a better deal. I said no, there's a better deal and i wanted to see if i can get it. I felt like i was in a court room for christ sake being interrogated by a judge for murdering someone. I get told that he'll go have a chat with his colleagues in that department to see if they want to take my call, he puts me on hold and 10 mins later comes back to tell me they dont want to take my call and basically told me to fuk off without the fuk word. What a fuking cocksucker. I didnt even call in to bitch, even asked politely.
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12-18-2009, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp That's why I was wondering how difficult it would be. Do they have to add a radio for each frequency? I guess so, if it doesn't make 'business sense' to make tri-3g-band phones. | It can take some time to do the R&D and get it approved by FCC and whoever else needs to approve it. It depends how much is being done from scratch. Quote:
Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp I fail to see why it doesn;t make business sense, at least for retail phones that aren't attached to carriers. Wouldn't they want to sell more phones? If adding a third frequency isn't prohibitively expensive, it only makes sense to do so. In fact, if there is a case to be made for this, it's the upcoming Google phone. Hopefully they do something like that, leading more to follow. | In North America, the carriers have a stranglehold on distribution. Consumers here don't pay the full price of the phone. They're used to being subsidized, so retail phones don't exist like they do in Europe/APAC where you pop in a SIM and away you go. Most phones here get branded Rogers/Telus/Verizon/etc and sales go through the carriers, who won't subsidize and sell your phone unless you do their customizations.
Phone manufacturers would love to bypass the carriers and sell their phones wifi, voip, and everything fully enabled directly to the customer. As it is right now, they're kinda selling to the carriers who sell to the customer. Quote:
Originally Posted by darthchilli as someone said, business wise, it doesnt justify the production due to only have 2 countries supporting the 1700mhz. | How many customers does T-Mobile in the US have? They're the only country that matters.
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12-18-2009, 02:30 AM
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#111 | | Hacked RS to become a mod
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the last time I had a subsidized phone, it was from Clearnet  Posted via RS Mobile | |
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12-18-2009, 02:57 AM
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#112 | | Unofficial Tin Foil Hat Specialist.
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I still have that phone they launched back then. It's some bulky non flip one with a giant battery pack.
Okay I just googled and found it!
Clearnet PCS phone from Sony.  | |
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12-18-2009, 04:44 AM
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#113 | | Hacked RS to become a mod
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yup that's the one. Back then I was one of the only 2 people in my school with a cellphone Posted via RS Mobile | |
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12-18-2009, 05:24 AM
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I was expecting crazy cheap plans, but it doesn't look like anything to get super excited about. (Except the unlimited mobile internet for 45$)
It'll be interesting to see how the other big name carriers respond though.
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12-18-2009, 06:19 AM
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Just noticed something while reading Engadget. They were talking about the Google phone, and I noticed this blurb:
"worked on T-Mobile's 3G only (AT&T is limited to EDGE data)"
That means the Google Phone, at least right now, supports UMTS 1700. That means it should work fine on Wind when it is released. The Google phone is expected to be subsidized by advertising, as opposed to a 3 year payment plan.
This means you should be able to get a brand new Android 3G phone for between $100-200!
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12-18-2009, 08:05 AM
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After reading this thread, I have two things to say to all of you:
WIND is not a saviour to the Canadian telecommunications industry. History will repeat itself.
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12-18-2009, 08:21 AM
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#117 | | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
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Originally Posted by J____ I dont. but if they treat me better than fido, i'll stay, if not i can just leave without waiting 3 years. Just yesterday i called in to ask fido about caller ID. My friend's on $40 city fido while mine is $45. Ok he signed up when it first came out within a onth for the $40 price, ok no biggy, but he's getting free caller ID while im getting charged so i called in and asked the agent if he can do something for me politely. He simple said no... so i asked how come he's getting it while i cannot as i've been with fido from day 1 as well, he said they treat every account differently, ok... I then asked if i can speak with retentions, the prick then completely changes his tone and started rudely accusing me saying how i know the 'internal' word for the department to keep customers and i am 'threatening' to cancel just because my friend is getting a better deal. I said no, there's a better deal and i wanted to see if i can get it. I felt like i was in a court room for christ sake being interrogated by a judge for murdering someone. I get told that he'll go have a chat with his colleagues in that department to see if they want to take my call, he puts me on hold and 10 mins later comes back to tell me they dont want to take my call and basically told me to fuk off without the fuk word. What a fuking cocksucker. I didnt even call in to bitch, even asked politely. | Honestly, you might just wana call the retentions department directly 1888 259 3436.
But a heads up, Fido is trying to get rid of all the City Fido plans, so for them to give you free Caller ID, you better be prepared that they're gona make u switch plans just to give it to you for free.
And I seriously think they don't give a shit about City Fido users, they were making them renew for 3 years WITHOUT a subsidized phone, just to keep the plan without the SAF.
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12-18-2009, 10:00 AM
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#118 | | Hacked RS to become a mod
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Originally Posted by bcrdukes After reading this thread, I have two things to say to all of you:
WIND is not a saviour to the Canadian telecommunications industry. History will repeat itself. | How did I know you were going to say that?  | |
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12-18-2009, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp How did I know you were going to say that? | How did I know you weren't going to reply?
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12-18-2009, 04:53 PM
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#120 | | Chinese Guy, Swedish Rides
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WIND is the new old Fido.
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12-18-2009, 09:42 PM
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#121 | | Hacked RS to become a mod
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Looks like the HTC HD2 is coming to T-Mobile, so that means Wind should get it too (who knows).
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12-18-2009, 11:10 PM
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#122 | | No Duplicate Accounts Allowed
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Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp No need to 'wait and seee' with Wind. If they treat you like crap, you can leave. If Rogers or Telus treat you like crap, you are fucked for as long as you're locked in with them.
I think if you're not currently under a contract, you should definitely go with Wind. Give them the traction they need to have an effect on the market. If they are really bad, just leave and sell your soul back to Satan | yes leave with that $450 BOLD that you just bought right? and then go to rogers or whoever and sign a 3yr contract and pay another $200 for the bold? who's gonna do that? most people cry over $100 for a phone let alone $450 and then another $200 if they decide to leave.
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12-18-2009, 11:37 PM
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#123 | | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
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Originally Posted by CT10 Honestly, you might just wana call the retentions department directly 1888 259 3436.
But a heads up, Fido is trying to get rid of all the City Fido plans, so for them to give you free Caller ID, you better be prepared that they're gona make u switch plans just to give it to you for free.
And I seriously think they don't give a shit about City Fido users, they were making them renew for 3 years WITHOUT a subsidized phone, just to keep the plan without the SAF. | yea i can feel that. They made me sign a 3 year contract 2 years ago when mine ran out to keep the city fido at $45, otherwise i woulda been paying $50 without contract. Quote:
Originally Posted by bui95 yes leave with that $450 BOLD that you just bought right? and then go to rogers or whoever and sign a 3yr contract and pay another $200 for the bold? who's gonna do that? most people cry over $100 for a phone let alone $450 and then another $200 if they decide to leave. | well if you dont need 3g data and just in it for the voice plan, you can use almost any phone you want...
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12-19-2009, 12:07 AM
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blackberry without data is failberry
Regardless of which carrier
Bold runnin on edge is fine if ur just doin the msn and bbm Posted via RS Mobile | |
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12-19-2009, 02:25 AM
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#125 | | No Duplicate Accounts Allowed
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Originally Posted by J____ yea i can feel that. They made me sign a 3 year contract 2 years ago when mine ran out to keep the city fido at $45, otherwise i woulda been paying $50 without contract.
well if you dont need 3g data and just in it for the voice plan, you can use almost any phone you want... | no, you cant just buy anyone phone from anywhere and use it on wind. they have 4 phones right now.
bold - $450
maple - $300
gravity 2 - $150
U7519 - $130
a new customer has to fork out at least $130 to "try" out a network and if the service sucks...they're out of that $130. if they wanna sell it, they gotta find someone willing to take a risk on wind or someone using t-mobile.
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