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HondaGuy 01-18-2010 04:39 PM
Just to clarify so ppl dont get confused. :thumbsup:


Type One - Japan
http://www.shopresponse.com/spoon_sp...one_decals.jpg

AJ Racing's Type 1 Racing: T1R
http://www.typeoneracing.com/catalog...hp?imageid=297

optiblue 01-18-2010 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Spooling (Post 6776224)
does T1R tires have thing to do with AJR?
Short answer, nope, it's just pure coincidence. Back in the early 2000's, when T1R was new, I got confused too!

FeistyBearH22a 01-18-2010 04:54 PM
http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp...binet/t1r1.jpg

Apparently, this needs clarification as well. :\

!e.lo_ 01-18-2010 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FeistyBearH22a (Post 6776301)
Apparently, this needs clarification as well. :\
yea, SADLY

Black SC2 01-19-2010 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRDood (Post 6776117)
there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!
I'm sorry, what?

skyxx 01-19-2010 12:39 PM
^Loophole
Posted via RS Mobile

Roach 01-19-2010 12:45 PM
No benefits of doubts or lupholes here. Classic action suite is only choice

Kev

RabidRat 01-19-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TRDood (Post 6776117)
there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!
:lol

RotaryX 01-19-2010 03:36 PM
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Hi,

This issue in question has been discussed. We had also timely responded to the letter after consulting with our lawyers. As to protect Js Racings and AJRs privacy, the complete response will not be posted. But in summary, the situation was a misunderstanding. In other words, ALL of the Js Racing products we had sold will always have our full confidence backed as for their source and authenticity.

This issue has been SETTLED between Js Racing and AJR. Js Racing entered a silent vow as they provided no further responses since April 23, 2009. No client-side loss was caused as a result of this incident.

To be honest, I personally think it will be way more beneficial to AJR if we at the company direct this time and effort for rebuttal to, instead, improving AJRs reputation and business. But I for one cannot stand aside on this matter and let this unjust bashing slide by. We are highly disappointed at Js company and Js employees discipline. As all can see, Js Racing had refrained from acting on any of the actions they have listed in the letter as they had absolutely no rights on publicizing this matter. Instead, they had to resort to private blog as a media and post it EIGHT months later to mitigate their responsibility. Such action reflects gravely on their characters and their way of dealing. Such action cannot be tolerated. We will commence actions for any damage caused.



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Guys, nothing against you but I honestly don't buy this aspect of your statement. If you were receiving sub-par products that were missing logo's or improperly packaged or of poor quality you should not shrugging your shoulders and continue to selling their products for so many years. Then there is the ethical side of this question, why would you pass on questionable products to your customers? This doesn't add up.
This is very true. What is missing here is that there also existed many products we couldnt send out and resulted in our loss. So because of this incident and their poor quality of goods delivered to us over the years, we had decided to stop importing Js Racing products for good. Js Racing has not officially stopped supplying to us. Since then, we had maintained an excellent relationship with all of our other suppliers, including SPOON, and distributors. I also urge further claims, if it would otherwise damage our reputation, to be discussed with proof rather than speculation.

Im Byron and I am the person who coordinated the seeking of legal advice on this matter. If you have any question, please contact me @ AJR (604) 279-0329. A request for closing this thread is on the way. I sincerely thank all of you for reading this far.


Regards,


Byron L. @ AJR
Saw this posted today on fitfreak. AJ has made a post. Looks like this might stop the endless bashing that has been brought up.

!Tigger 01-19-2010 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TOS'd (Post 6772601)
I disagree with your last statement. With the evidence from other forums and this forum. I truly believe that there is no typo for the date "April 22 2009."

Here are my thoughts.

1) People complaining/questioning quality of J's racing products purchased from AJR

2) J's is some how tipped off about #1 (i do not know how or what but its not relevant). J's purchases one of their own products from AJR. Product is deemed fake.

3) J's sends letter (1st letter in 1st post of this thread) to Benjamin of AJR (owner? i personally dont know). Deadline to resolve matters is April 22, 2009.

-) March 2009. "AJ-Racing actually dropped the J's Racing line as of March 2009 due to internal issues that were never resolved in the past."

4) Deadline passes. April 22.

5) AJR has a Grand Re-Opening on May 25th ish(date of thread:http://www.revscene.net/forums/j-r-g...=grand+opening)
(Yes, I know it could just be because they wanted a bigger place (or new location, i have never been to either places.))

6) Since the deadline up until June 30, 2009. I guess fingers were pointed back and forth as to who was wrong, with no clear winner.

7) June 30, 2009. J's sends letter to AJR (2st letter in 1st post of this thread) stating they never made a special batch and that they never gave permission for anyone to replicate their products.

8) August 21, 2009. AJR representative says they requested the make of special batch J's exhaust. (Taken from s2ki forum: http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php...=718060&st=100)

9) January 13, 2010. Letter surfaces on multiple forums and J's official website/blog. Reason for this being posted so late was maybe to see if they can work out a deal with AJR? Who knows.



What also fits into the above timeline i rushed is the numerous cases(threads) on other car forums which question the quality of the "genuine" J's products bought from AJR.

Also, the termination of AJR as an official distributor of J's Racing products.


Feel free to add to or correct my timeline. It's 2:30am and I am tired.


EDIT: after some re-reading, filled in some info in the timeline thanks to Joh (posted here: http://www.revscene.net/forums/showp...3&postcount=62)
so the new info says that there was no contact from apr.23.2009... but whats this.?

LOM 01-19-2010 05:10 PM
I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.

FeistyBearH22a 01-19-2010 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LOM (Post 6777963)
I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.
I'm glad you don't post often because ^ that just gave me a fucking headache.

Mr.Jay 01-19-2010 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by LOM (Post 6777963)
Don't be a follower, be a leader.

but now if I listen to you I still wont be a leader... haha

lawsuits can take a very long time before they are even done plus if now of this is true I would think A&J would defend themselves

either way tho I wouldnt want to spend my money at a shop that cant take the time to see if they shit they are selling is real or not

Z3guy 01-19-2010 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LOM (Post 6777963)
I don't usually post on forum but I think enough is enough. What was this incident since? 2009 right. Whoever have brain, please think, think logically. Why J's racing keep accusing A&J for copying their products? What is the ultimate reason for doing that? Answer is: $$$$$$$$. And if, I said if, A&J really did copy their products. All they have to do is to sue their ASS and get compensation, right. They never did it, instead, they keep posting on some forums or blogs. Why? Becuase they don't have the evidence. I mean the real one, not just some pics or commet from customers. If they do, they sued them long time ago. Do they have to post on this forum and others to bad mouth A&J. Guys, please use your brain next time. Don't be a follower, be a leader.
I agree with LOM. In today's world of business, if J's had overwhelming evidence, they would sue A&J's ass. However, what is a business like A&J worth? probably 100k-$200K?, if that is the case, A&J goes bankrupt and J's gets nothing....

SkunkWorks 01-19-2010 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Z3guy (Post 6778113)
I agree with LOM. In today's world of business, if J's had overwhelming evidence, they would sue A&J's ass. However, what is a business like A&J worth? probably 100k-$200K?, if that is the case, A&J goes bankrupt and J's gets nothing....
Not to mention it'll be an international lawsuit...

GG right there if you're a small company like J's.

RRxtar 01-19-2010 10:30 PM
i dont know a damn thing about international business or copywrite lawsuits or law suits at all.


but i would guess that the cost to J's to form and file a successful lawsuit against AJR, as well as the time (years+) involved, is probably less than what they could get out of A&J racing and thus, not worth the trouble. and even if the lawsuit was successful, A&R Racing would file bankrupcy, and reopen the next day as AJR and not lose any business.

hk20000 01-19-2010 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LOM (Post 6777963)
Don't be a follower, be a leader.
Be a MAN! Do the RIGHT THING! :haha:

hk20000 01-19-2010 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRDood (Post 6776117)
there must be a lupole for AJR to get out of this!
yes here it is!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lupo_v_sst.jpg

Hehe 01-19-2010 11:53 PM
In response of the think logically, let's look at this way, who benefits the most from this case? (assuming both accusations are true)

1) J's selling shitty/second product on their official distributor to sell (story from AJ)
or
2) AJ selling fake products as the real deal (Story from J's)

In case 1, J's benefit is limited. Their products already have huge markups. Making a 1K exhaust that actually cost them 200 to build vs. 100 to build, the gain is 100 bucks extra or a bit over 12% more profit at a cost of J's reputation (maybe worth a few million or at least a few hundred of G?)

Case 2, looking at AJ, their benefit could be huge. I'm not familiar with the retail markup that J's give to their disty, but let's assume J's give them 20% markup, making that 1K exhaust pipe 1200 MSRP. If AJ finds a foreign factory to produce the very same product (let's say they actually found a way to make a 1:1 reproduction) and cost is the same to J's at 200 and sell the product at 1200 MSRP, this represents a 500% increase in profit at a cost of their reputation (maybe a few hundred G at most?)

IMHO, AJ has a much higher motivation than J's. Thus, I'd side with J's on this one.

flagella 01-20-2010 12:11 AM
Why are people even still discussing about already settled cases by throwing out their smartass opinions? Even if it's still not settled, it's none of our business to even discuss about it based on the limited information we have.

ericthehalfbee 01-20-2010 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by flagella (Post 6778811)
Why are people even still discussing about already settled cases by throwing out their smartass opinions? Even if it's still not settled, it's none of our business to even discuss about it based on the limited information we have.
Are you LOM's buddy?

People are discussing it because it hasn't been settled. AJR hasn't said anything reasonable at all in their defense. The simple fact they didn't properly check to see if their products were "real or not" shows this.

I'm sure AJR would love this to all just blow away, and I think it's our responsibility to keep this thread going until things are settled. Don't let scammers get away with this shit, I say.

GabAlmighty 01-20-2010 07:15 AM
This is why you need to make your own parts, enough with these fucking kits and shit. Make your own god damn stuff.

BlackZRoadster 01-20-2010 10:38 AM
this is a good enuff reason to mod your car with the cheap pasts, that way you won't get screwed.:haha:

Noir 01-20-2010 12:02 PM
Regardless of the explanation, I think at this point with a formal response taking this long, AJR has lost what little credibility they had left, if any.

Misunderstandings, if indeed are truly misunderstandings don't take this long to clear up. Anyways, there's really no misunderstanding when when J's themselves purchased a replica with J's packaging from AJR. Special batch my ass :lol.

flagella 01-20-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee (Post 6778994)
Are you LOM's buddy?

People are discussing it because it hasn't been settled. AJR hasn't said anything reasonable at all in their defense. The simple fact they didn't properly check to see if their products were "real or not" shows this.

I'm sure AJR would love this to all just blow away, and I think it's our responsibility to keep this thread going until things are settled. Don't let scammers get away with this shit, I say.
Our responsibility to get the thread going until things are settled? What is there for you to do regarding this case seriously? People already know, and those who have not bought from AJR will probably never bother buying it from them, and those who have purchased from AJR will make decisions themselves whether to buy from AJR again or not. Why are you trying to sound like some smartass who thinks anything more can be done through some forum discussions? What the fuck do you even mean "don't let scammers get away with this shit"? Bad news has been released public, their reputation has gone down, and naturally they will go down if people stop buying from them.

Noir: I recently went to pick up some T1R parts at AJR and asked Ben about what is up with the lawsuit. He said that's a long time ago back in 09 and has no idea why it's up on revscene at this time. He said he has no intention of posting on revscene as he doesn't believe it will simply shut people up.


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