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I just find it funny that you can afford a M3 but not proper coil overs or springs
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I have a choice with my car: Get used springs off of another car that work (but are VERY limited in availability), or pay out the ass for a suspension setup because they don't make lowering springs or coilovers for my car so I have to put something together out of generic race springs (trust me, there's no clean cut suspension for my car, they only have coilovers for the FRONT, and they aren't exactly name brand).
I know what you mean, coilovers available for my car suck ass
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in a physics standpoint, cutting a spring is just horrible.
springrate isn't increased, causing more stress on shock absorber components. also, with a lowered ride on stock shocks, the gas is always under load, causing it to wear faster and theres a HIGH chance they'll just blow.
btw, lowered ride does NOT equal better handling. many many other factors come into play. suspension geometry mainly.
I completely agree with you here. But on the whole, the benefits outweigh the negatives to the suspension geometry.
Everyone buys lowering springs, cutting springs is the exact same thing (geometry wise)
Lowering springs damage your shocks also, unless they're shortened.
And my shocks are already blown so I don't really care at this point, bilsteins will probably go into it this summer hopefully
Cutting springs with stock struts... that's SUCH a Civic thing to do. Lame.
I've seen the results of cut springs... when the guy cut 4 coils out of a spring, and it didn't have enough pressure to stay compressed in the strut anymore, so it coiled out. Put the wheel thru the fender, shredded the tire, snapped the lug nuts and the wheel flew off... at highway speed. Not too pretty.
If you're cheap enough to hack-job the suspension of a car... stay the fuck away from me when you drive that accident-waiting-to-happen. I kinda like living.
Oh.. and a cut stock spring (if you're lucky enough to have progressive rate springs...) are NOT going to have the same spring rates as an aftermarket spring. Even worse if you have linear rate springs stock (like Crapaliers do). And good luck on getting all your spring rates close to each other...
Fuck, I hate people who are stupid enough to go cheap on important stuff... like suspension.. brakes.. etc.
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Cutting springs is illegal according to the MVA. It is one of the primary criteria for an automatic fail of an inspection regarding suspension condition/modifications.
What is the magical mystery car with NO aftermarket suspension options that you drive that necessitates this retarded course of action? You talk about wanting to improve your autocross performance, this is absolutely the opposite - it is much better to have a higher ride height then to bottom out. Bottoming out while cornering is extremely detrimental to grip, a lot of times this will cause the tire to fully lose cohesion to the surface - in English, that's "bottom out, then slide, then post crappy times."
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Stock suspension is far superior to cut springs in autocross. If your gonna cut the springs lets call a spade a spade and be honest your only doing it for looks. I cut my springs in my EF 15 years ago and I will say without hesitation it does NOT improve handling. Made the car bouncy as shit. I remember driving around Stanley Park and in one of the corners my car changed lanes due to the front end hopping off a bump around a corner. Not good.
If you're cheap enough to hack-job the suspension of a car... stay the fuck away from me when you drive that accident-waiting-to-happen. I kinda like living.
Oh.. and a cut stock spring (if you're lucky enough to have progressive rate springs...) are NOT going to have the same spring rates as an aftermarket spring. Even worse if you have linear rate springs stock (like Crapaliers do). And good luck on getting all your spring rates close to each other...
Fuck, I hate people who are stupid enough to go cheap on important stuff... like suspension.. brakes.. etc.
They're not progressive rate springs, I know I am a ruhtard but. And you know what, I actually applaud the fact that you used a real world example and didn't just use a paper racer excuse. I am not going to cut out 4 coils, probably 3 coils. 2.5 coils off the stock spring brings to around the same height as our aftermarket lowering springs (which people have run forever on stock struts, or unshortened shocks/struts), so I figure another .5 coil really isn't going to destroy the shock outright. Plus, I'll be getting billy hd's hopefully in the summer so I can get a little bit of dampening back.
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Cutting springs is illegal according to the MVA. It is one of the primary criteria for an automatic fail of an inspection regarding suspension condition/modifications.
The car's been a registered Canada car all it's life... And it takes all of 30 mins to swap in stock springs if for whatever reason I get a VI
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What is the magical mystery car with NO aftermarket suspension options that you drive that necessitates this retarded course of action? You talk about wanting to improve your autocross performance, this is absolutely the opposite - it is much better to have a higher ride height then to bottom out."
It's a volvo. There's a handful of companies that make lowering springs for my car, average price is 250usd, which I don't have. And I never said I wanted to improve my autox times; I don't even fucking race the thing. I was using it has an example for what other people have reported I believe. And my car is at tractor height, it would take alot of lowering to get the thing to bottom out on corners, the first that would scrape is the front spoiler (which race cars do all the time), IF for some reason I was able to get the rear underbody of the car to scrape under braking, well... I'd be fucking impressed.
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it would be hilarious if you cut each spring a different length
Hahahah, I would lol
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Stock suspension is far superior to cut springs in autocross. If your gonna cut the springs lets call a spade a spade and be honest your only doing it for looks. I cut my springs in my EF 15 years ago and I will say without hesitation it does NOT improve handling. Made the car bouncy as shit. I remember driving around Stanley Park and in one of the corners my car changed lanes due to the front end hopping off a bump around a corner. Not good.
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Ya, my car on lowering springs bounced around to shit on those roads too. What's your point?
His point is that it was unsafe. Imagine what would have happened if there was a car in the lane next to Berz when it jumped lanes...
I'm not saying he was wrong nor am I refuting his point. But another that "anology" all cars with lowering springs are unsafe as they do the exact same thing as cut springs (assuming you don't put shortened shocks/struts in in it)
edit: and yes, looks are a fair good reason why i'm doing it
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My car with coilovers doesn't do that now. There is a difference between bouncy because of bumps in the road and unsafe because of the actions of a car with cut springs. On regular occasions I'm sure my front tires were leaving the ground over man holes and various road bumps.
I'm not saying don't cut them as when you have limited options you do what you have to. However just be aware of the effects on your car and on how its going to react.
Another point on lowering springs is that even though they may be the same height as cut springs, they are progressive and do a better job at preventing bottoming out. What your car hits the bump stops that is where the danger lies.
I'm not saying don't cut them as when you have limited options you do what you have to. However just be aware of the effects on your car and on how its going to react.
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Yup, done a fair amount of reading. Driven my old car which is now on cut springs, I know what i'm getting myself into. Thanks for being cool about it haha and having real world knowledge
The car's been a registered Canada car all it's life... And it takes all of 30 mins to swap in stock springs if for whatever reason I get a VI
*sigh* You're missing the point. The reason cut springs are illegal isn't because there's some import hating ogre that makes up rules just to screw guys like you over - it's because they're unsafe.
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I'm not saying he was wrong nor am I refuting his point. But another that "anology" all cars with lowering springs are unsafe as they do the exact same thing as cut springs (assuming you don't put shortened shocks/struts in in it)
edit: and yes, looks are a fair good reason why i'm doing it
If you actually believe that lowering springs and cut springs do the exact same thing, then there's no point in trying to explain anything to you - you're like Timpo - you just don't get it.
Another point on lowering springs is that even though they may be the same height as cut springs, they are progressive and do a better job at preventing bottoming out. What your car hits the bump stops that is where the danger lies.
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Yup, done a fair amount of reading. Driven my old car which is now on cut springs, I know what i'm getting myself into. Thanks for being cool about it haha and having real world knowledge
I've driven pretty much every possible setup out there when it comes to lowered cars, from cut springs on 20 year old shocks in my old Nissan 200sx right up to a full-blown MK1 Jetta auto-x track car with close to $10k in suspension modifications alone, and almost everything in between. Let me state that there's a huge difference between riding on cut springs and lowered cars with stock shocks. As stated, lowered springs tend to be progressive, which help prevent the car from bottoming out on the bump stops. Chances are your stock springs are progressive, since most cars come this way (as far as I know, at least), but byy cutting a portion of that out, you're effectively eliminating a chunk of the safety margin engineers have put into the spring. Couple that with shocks that are (I imagine) close to a decade and a half old, if not more, then you're creating for yourself a large safety hazard, as well as a potential mechanical disaster. Yes, many people used to cut their springs "back in the day" but chances are they were going purely for the look, nothing more.
That said, cutting springs can positively affect your spring rate, if done correctly. It can be done in a manner that wont be too bad, safety wise, but it takes a lot of effort and knowledge. But for this, you have to base what you cut off by the spring rate you want, not the ride height. I'm not sure what the Volvo springs look like, but many springs have tapered ends and if they're not cut properly, they wont sit on the perch properly anymore. Also, as stated, do not use anything that throws heat. That will change the spring rate just as much as cutting off too many (or too few) coils. Chances are if you're doing just for looks, you're going to create for yourself too many hassles that will outweigh the pro's of how it looks.
Can someone update that cutting springs thread I had on Revscene for me. I got a 7 day ban for stirring the pot...
Anyways, went over to Mikes house today and we both had a nice learning experience cutting the springs. Everything went according to plan except the fronts where we couldn't get the top strut bolt loose so we just cut the spring with it all together (BIG BANG!).
I cut 3.5 coils all around. I wanted to do 2.5 but we fucked up on the first one so I had to bite the bullet. Was worried right after because my exhaust was dragging... Turns out it was just my exhaust clamp that had the threads pointed to the ground, quick little flip and she's good to go (think I need to tighten it down, I can smell carbon monoxide and my ears hurt).
Moreover, the car is now silly low and it's awesome. I can't take ppl in the back seat cuz it'll drag the exhaust so that's gonna come out. It handles really well and bounces all over the place.
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