....CITYFIDO voice and data $80

[terkan]

Originally Posted by mo_bettah

Are you so short sighted that you can't see past your own limited network? Many people have jobs/businesses that require nationwide LD calling, not to mention the multitudes that have family across the country.

well if ur jobs requires u to make nationwide calls pretty sure ur companies supplies you with a phone/line. as for calling my family across the country.. really how often do you call? and it only cost me 1 cents per minute calling using my home phone or use a calling card on my cell that takes me maybe extra 30secs to dial.. i rather that then having to technically pay for features that i'll seldom use.. use it's included in the package.. but the price reflects the "option" in the package

[MoBettah]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

When it comes down to the technological differences between Wind vs the rest of the competition, which would you choose

the Proven reliability of Rogers/Fido/Bell/Telus and HSPA/UMTS or the one of two AWS networks in the world?

Once again, i'd like you to pay attention to the name of the two fido plans CITYfido and COUNTRYFido

Every carrier has the ability to come up with any offer, but you can't undercut the competition when the companies in play is based on how many customers you have. Once the dog decides to offer this, Bell will follow and so will telus, the undercutting means no change

its like you have 4 pop machines lined up, one decides to charge the pop for 95c instead of a buck, in short term, the cheaper one will gain more consumers and money. a day later, the remainng 3 decides to charge 95c again, we are back to square one

First off, i want you to consider this analogy about pop... who wins in the end? EVERY CONSUMER WHOSE PAYING LESS FOR POP NOW!!! Nuff said there.

I have lines with Rogers, Fido, Telus and Wind. I understand Wind's downfalls, i really do. The shitty reception, the limited "Home Zones", the incredibly shitty selection of phones... however, that doesn't detract from some of the misunderstandings that you and some others have on this thread. My argument is simply that there is a a place for WIND for many people and that this CityFido plan lacks some very important features that are offered on the wind unlimited plan.

I want to clarify this again, wind home zones function EXACTLY like City Fido zones. If you are within range of a WIND tower you are IN the wind home zone. On the Wind unlimited plan, when you are in a home zone (in any city that has wind towers) ANY call you make at ANY time ANYWHERE in Canada is included. The ONLY difference is that with FIDO, long distance is not included.

How some of you can misunderstand Wind's plans are beyond me. It doesn't get much clearer than "Be connected to a wind tower, all your calls and sms in Canada are included, period."

Terkan - Still short sighted i see. Clearly you don't have any friends or family that own small businesses, or are independent contractors, or travel between family in different cities. Also, the majority of households no longer have house/home phones, and calling cards? Like you said, that's perfect for your own limited long distance calling, but i guess that's as far as you can see.

[Tim Budong]

Originally Posted by mo_bettah

First off, i want you to consider this analogy about pop... who wins in the end? EVERY CONSUMER WHOSE PAYING LESS FOR POP NOW!!! Nuff said there.

I have lines with Rogers, Fido, Telus and Wind. I understand Wind's downfalls, i really do. The shitty reception, the limited "Home Zones", the incredibly shitty selection of phones... however, that doesn't detract from some of the misunderstandings that you and some others have on this thread. My argument is simply that there is a a place for WIND for many people and that this CityFido plan lacks some very important features that are offered on the wind unlimited plan.

I want to clarify this again, wind home zones function EXACTLY like City Fido zones. If you are within range of a WIND tower you are IN the wind home zone. On the Wind unlimited plan, when you are in a home zone (in any city that has wind towers) ANY call you make at ANY time ANYWHERE in Canada is included. The ONLY difference is that with FIDO, long distance is not included.

How some of you can misunderstand Wind's plans are beyond me. It doesn't get much clearer than "Be connected to a wind tower, all your calls and sms in Canada are included, period."

Terkan - Still short sighted i see. Clearly you don't have any friends or family that own small businesses, or are independent contractors, or travel between family in different cities. Also, the majority of households no longer have house/home phones, and calling cards? Like you said, that's perfect for your own limited long distance calling, but i guess that's as far as you can see.

I do understand the consumer wins. Key thing here is this. These companies work and base their performance every fiscal year based on SUBSCRIBERS.

Do you not understand that Rogers Communications Inc, Bell Telecommunications and Media as well as Telus all are publically traded and you would have to completely understand that wireless/cable/internet subscribers 100% correlate to profits and performance

And yes, I know WIND homezones function like CityFido zones. Sadly, how much coverage does WIND cover vs how much coverage is for fido on the ROGERS/FIDO LOCAL AREA NETWORK here in Vancouver. Travel over to Victoria, make a local call to a 250 number, Im still UNLIMITED. with WIND mobile, you CAN'T do this because WIND is not set up for cities like Victoria.

This is where the coverage of the big 3 telecommunications companies have won over WIND mobile. Not saying WIND sucks or anything, but welcome to the fact that its going to take YEARS before WIND mobile will have ANY impact whatsoever.

regardless, you answered your own question on reception on why a consumer will stick with the big3 over WIND

[MoBettah]

THE KEY THING IS THIS: WIND CAME IN, BROUGHT COMPETITION AND NOW THE CONSUMER IS WINNING.

Not this:

Originally Posted by darthchilli

Key thing here is this. These companies work and base their performance every fiscal year based on SUBSCRIBERS.

Do you not understand that Rogers Communications Inc, Bell Telecommunications and Media as well as Telus all are publically traded and you would have to completely understand that wireless/cable/internet subscribers 100% correlate to profits and performance

Drivel, all of it. Who are you? the ghost of Ted Rogers? Why the fuck does the avg consumer care about any of these companies, the number of subscribers, their quarterly performance, blah blah blah blah blah... and I'm saying all this despite being a former shareholder in Rogers and Bell. I KNOW the big 3 have made a killing in profits over the past decade and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Originally Posted by darthchilli

And yes, I know WIND homezones function like CityFido zones. Sadly, how much coverage does WIND cover vs how much coverage is for fido on the ROGERS/FIDO LOCAL AREA NETWORK here in Vancouver. Travel over to Victoria, make a local call to a 250 number, Im still UNLIMITED. with WIND mobile, you CAN'T do this because WIND is not set up for cities like Victoria.

Your whole argument against Wind revolves around coverage, which I've already acknowledged is "Shitty". This point is moot, cause obviously a startup company who haven't even launched in Vancouver yet isn't gonna be able to compare with networks that have been around for 25+ years. Bottom line for this point: IF you live in Wind coverage, its a great option.

Originally Posted by darthchilli

This is where the coverage of the big 3 telecommunications companies have won over WIND mobile. Not saying WIND sucks or anything, but welcome to the fact that its going to take YEARS before WIND mobile will have ANY impact whatsoever.

regardless, you answered your own question on reception on why a consumer will stick with the big3 over WIND

ANY IMPACT WHATSOEVER? Right... cause Fido woulda offered this new Cityfido plan out of the goodness of their hearts.

[Tim Budong]

I think i've stated that its going to take years before WIND really has any impact on the market whatsoever due to COVERAGE issues

which is why I want you to dig up answers on how many actual subscribers they really have since their launches in Toronto, Calgary, Ottawa and Edmonton. They dont have too many simply due to coverage. WIND has money to blow and network is spreading fast, but i dont really see it

Dont get me wrong, WIND's plan is great, and better than CityFido, but its the way the purchase is setup in which customers finally see the downside to this. Research does show that customers are willing to pay under 200 for a phone rather than 400. On a contract, the phone is 200 or less, customers will pay. $200 for a phone on contract is already considered a premium. WIND does the no contract and offering you a 9700 for $450. Most customers will see this as a big investment short term and might not be able to afford this. What we are dealing with in a forum like this is a very niche market of the industry.

The smart customer that will shop around will be given the education on the difference of networks. HSPA/UMTS/GSM vs 1700AWS. Where is the WORLDWIDE SUPPORT for 1700 AWS. virtually slim.

Why is Fido the only carrier offering this promo? Its because Fido is considered and rebranded as a discount carrier. Bell/Telus/Rogers is not. WIND at the moment is also classified as a discount brand. So FIDO is a direct competitor.

So given the knowledge of a. NETWORK difference and b. compatibility with certain devices ie: iPhone

fido>WIND

again, a consumer with one phone will choose whats best, network coverage and reliability is the one thing that many customers will shop for before making any decision.

[bcrdukes]

I've been sitting back reading all of this blasphemy. I don't see how some of you (one of you actually) is getting so worked up about this simply because there is no point and no reason to.

Just because Wind is offering whatever the hell they have going doesn't mean that the other carriers won't jump the bandwagon. And in the end, the consumer wins? Get real. The only people who are winning are those who don't have a cell phone.

[MoBettah]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I've been sitting back reading all of this blasphemy. I don't see how some of you (one of you actually) is getting so worked up about this simply because there is no point and no reason to.

Just because Wind is offering whatever the hell they have going doesn't mean that the other carriers won't jump the bandwagon. And in the end, the consumer wins? Get real. The only people who are winning are those who don't have a cell phone.

Blasphemy? I hear you, pretty much everyone I've had to respond to has no clue what they are talking about.

Lemme ask you, how many people do you know without a cellphone? Last i checked around 70% of all Canadians owned cellphones and it's on the rise.

Wind is good news for any Canadian that owns a cellphone, I'll stand by that. This thread is a direct reaction to Wind!

[Tim Budong]

Originally Posted by mo_bettah

Blasphemy? I hear you, pretty much everyone I've had to respond to has no clue what they are talking about.

Lemme ask you, how many people do you know without a cellphone? Last i checked around 70% of all Canadians owned cellphones and it's on the rise.

Wind is good news for any Canadian that owns a cellphone, I'll stand by that. This thread is a direct reaction to Wind!

No clue?
dont think so buddy, i aint doin what im doin without any knowledge of competition and how the stance against WIND is

WE LIKE competition, becuz it allows us to show and combat VALUES

[MoBettah]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

No clue?
dont think so buddy, i aint doin what im doin without any knowledge of competition and how the stance against WIND is

WE LIKE competition, becuz it allows us to show and combat VALUES

Who is WE? I'm not familiar with your background/occupation. I'm assuming you work for Fido/Rogers... you're an indoctrinated employee, I'll give you that. Makes sense why your so biased now.

My point has NEVER been wind is the best, far from it actually, it's simply that Wind is perfect for some consumers and is good for competition in this industry.

[Tim Budong]

Yes i work for the big red machine. and wind is great for some. i mst admit, but they are just as competitive on the lower end plans vs fido/koodo/virgin

WIND has money, they need to use it

[J____]

Originally Posted by darthchilli

Yes i work for the big red machine. and wind is great for some. i mst admit, but they are just as competitive on the lower end plans vs fido/koodo/virgin

WIND has money, they need to use it

they will once they knw the market here is viable for it. Lets face it, to Wind, canada is a brand new market and there is a certain risk to it. Would you throw in hundreds of millions into a brand new market without know 100% sure of investment outcome? no.

[cctw]

now if rogers will match that plan and retain the $35 in credits i have..I will be in LA LA LAND...hahahaha