Wheel poke illegal ?

[zulutango]

I hope he retained all his shocks and springs from the suspension...he cannot pass a VI with them removed.

[G-spec]

^ zulu, all the parts on his car are street legal and are certified OEM equivalent or better. Which means it's legal for him to operate his vehicle on the street with these parts installed. So what's your point really ??

For example a Lamborghini and Range Rover come with Air Suspension installed from the factory, you do know that right ?

You guys are so stuck in your box thinkin anything that won't pass VI is absolute law and therefore illegal, I find that ignorance real amusing.
I remember years ago my buddy got ticketed for his clear tails on his Lexus which came like that OEM from the factory... my buddy tried explaining this, but the cop had it in his head that it wouldn't pass VI so therefore it MUST be illegal and gave him the ticket anyway.
It's this type of arrogance that will ALWAYS have you at odds with the tuner community..

[jlenko]

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[G-spec]

Originally Posted by jlenko

Pot, kettle. You've been pulled over 12 times already... just wait til you get that VI. Then I'll find YOUR ignorance "real amusing"

I don't think I've been pulled over 5 times in my entire LIFE and I drive a very modified car. I just don't attract attention like your car (or your driving) appears to.

Keep it up, kiddo.

correction I've been pulled over close to 20 times since I've gotten the car 3 years ago.
But in all honesty, I don't think cops really give a shit about your riced out Cavalier, so you got nothing to worry about....
but to be fair I don't myself understand why they find my car interesting, it's just a white stock looking coupe, nothing special about it.
Special enough however for a cop to pull me over and call me a drug dealer right to my face, I mean really, WHO THE FCK DOES THAT, let alone a cop!

I know for a fact though me getting pulled over has nothing to do with my driving, I granny my car since it's so low don't wanna scrape, I've received only 1 speeding ticket in the last 5 years of driving and it was for going 10 over the limit, 60kmh.

[sho_bc]

Originally Posted by Adon

^ zulu, all the parts on his car are street legal and are certified OEM equivalent or better. Which means it's legal for him to operate his vehicle on the street with these parts installed. So what's your point really ??

For example a Lamborghini and Range Rover come with Air Suspension installed from the factory, you do know that right ?

http://www.bclaws.ca/Recon/document/...art_division7D covers something that many aftermarket air suspensions don't comply with. It doesn't mean that just because the controls are stuffed in the glovebox so you can't access them, it means that the manipulation of the controls while the vehicle is in motion will do a whole lot of nothing. Lamborghini and Range Rover have air suspensions that have been designed and tested by the manufacturer specifically for the vehicle that they're getting put into and have then been approved by Transport Canada. They're not a buy off the shelf set that can be installed into any vehicle.

And his off-the-shelf parts are certified by who? Transportation Canada, or the company who is selling/manufacturing them?

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Adon

I know for a fact though me getting pulled over has nothing to do with my driving, I granny my car since it's so low don't wanna scrape, I've received only 1 speeding ticket in the last 5 years of driving and it was for going 10 over the limit, 60kmh.

So wouldn't that be enough reason to pull you over?

[G-spec]

^ everything is a reason for cops to pull you over now apparently, they got specific rules of the book, and then you got each cop with their own interpretation of the rules, it can all get frustrating for a lot of tuners.


sho_bc, I read what you wrote... and...... ? what's the point you're trying to make? because I already made mine, and that was that air suspension is NOT illegal in Canada last time I checked.

in any case that's not the argument I'm trying to push, I'm not trying to push any argument as a matter of fact, I already got the answers I was looking for provided by the people who participated in this thread and that's all I need

[jlenko]

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[G-spec]

Originally Posted by jlenko

They must have a realistic-looking "DOT" stamp on them, so he's stupid enough to think it's legal for on-road use.

And the Cavalier jokes are sooooo 1999. Grow up, dipshit.

thanks for providing me ammo for an even better joke, and here it comes....

your Cavalier is so 1999 bro.... literally, fast and furious mod era died in very early 2000's, you still rockin it with pride though, mad props son, you got balls

[jlenko]

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[jlenko]

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Forget it. You're a waste of these fine police officer's time, and mine as well. Enjoy being pulled over.

[G-spec]

edited as well: thanks for not turning it into a flamefest lenko

but I'm sorry it's come to the point where you have to resort to all this juvenile name calling, I thought we were just trading friendly verbal blows bro....

but anyway you wasting your time on me ? waste of flesh ? el negero, pleaaaaaseeee.... your fail count and the comments I see you post on this forum tells the opposite story, it's me who shouldnt waste my time on YOU.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Nasty camber there. Ghetto spring-cutting lowering, or just too cheap for a camber kit?

Originally Posted by Adon

The guy has a front camber kit that cost him $450, rear camber kit was about $150... no cut springs here, try Universal Air Suspension, retail $3 grand, not to mention the custom 3 piece wheels which retail between 4k and 6k depending on your specs.

That's a lotta money to spend for things to STILL not be set up right. I guess if he has the money for that, though, he'll have the money to replace the tires every few months.

[zulutango]

" zulu, all the parts on his car are street legal and are certified OEM equivalent or better. Which means it's legal for him to operate his vehicle on the street with these parts installed. So what's your point really ??"

My point is that the provincial Inspection manual says that a vehicle must be "rejected" if the suspension parts are "missing" and it would fail an inspection. You have already said that it looks like his car will get a VI and I'm telling you what he will run up against if it gets inspected. The manual is quite definite in what must be done.

This is the MV Reg dealing with it..

Prohibition
7D.01 (1) A person must not drive or operate on a highway a vehicle that has a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 4 500 kg if the vehicle's suspension can be independently controlled by a person riding in the vehicle while it is being driven or operated on a highway.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply to a vehicle equipped with a suspension controller accessible in the passenger compartment provided the controller is designed and installed by the original vehicle manufacturer at the time of manufacture


also in Div 7 of the Regs.

Shock absorbing devices shall not be missing, disconnected or inoperative.

lTorque arms, U-bolts, spring hangers or other axle positioning parts shall not be cracked, broken, loose or missing.

Not more than one leaf or more than 1/4 of the leaves, whichever is the lesser, or the main leaf in any leaf spring assembly shall be broken or missing.

You also run into ground clearance requirements and alignment problems, as these can change every time you raise or lower the vehicle

[G-spec]

^ oh ok then I get it now, I didn't before though, so thanks for the explanation.

none of his suspension components are missing though, almost every OEM part has been replaced by an aftermarket one, but they are all DOT approved however.


and yea he would definitely be an eyesore to any cop at a roadblock and would get a VI just based on the height of the vehicle and all the other strange lookin things that are out of the ordinary and different from most vehicles on the road. But if he were to fail that VI, it would have something to do with the height of the car and not because of missing suspension components, it's all about looks for me.

Soundy yea this VIP styling isn't setup for performance, it's all about aggressive looks, so to most people it looks a little awkward. For hellaflush guys it's the perfect setup, but for performance guys it looks plain retarded. My wheel setup for example, I can fit Murcielago sized tires on my wheels, 295 series up front and 355 series in the rear, but I'm not into performance.

[Soundy]

How does having your wheels out of whack, equate to "aggressive"?

[G-spec]

^ simple

hellaflush and slammed = aggressive and mean looking, while OEM and tucked = nothing aggressive, just performance oriented... case closed, this is common knowledge in the automotive world, even performance guys can't argue that fact. Each side knows the other has something that they don't, flush guys know they don't got the performance, and performance guys know that they lack the aggressive looks... pictures speak for themselves


hellaflush



hellanot

[underscore]

hellaflush is a hellafail. and having your camber out of wack lowers your contact patch with the pavement, reducing your ability to stop those oversized wheels from turning.

[lowside67]

Originally Posted by Adon

^ simple

hellaflush and slammed = aggressive and mean looking, while OEM and tucked = nothing aggressive, just performance oriented... case closed, this is common knowledge in the automotive world, even performance guys can't argue that fact. Each side knows the other has something that they don't, flush guys know they don't got the performance, and performance guys know that they lack the aggressive looks... pictures speak for themselves


hellaflush



hellanot

My old car... hella flush and actually not GAY unlike these retard cars you keep posting since it can actually turn and stop well...





I mean the wheels arent that big really... 285-30-18s on 18x10s all around on a car that came with 6.5" wide wheels stock.

[eurochevy]

Originally Posted by underscore

hellaflush is a hellafail. and having your camber out of wack lowers your contact patch with the pavement, reducing your ability to stop those oversized wheels from turning.

^This ftw

[Energy]

Originally Posted by underscore

hellaflush is a hellafail. and having your camber out of wack lowers your contact patch with the pavement, reducing your ability to stop those oversized wheels from turning.

So true. I wonder when this hellaflush fad will end.

[underscore]

I'm not sure, how long did "murdered out" last? I just hope it takes intentionally rusted out body parts with it.

The only thing that scares me is wondering what kind of stupidity will come next.

[Energy]

Vinyl wrap maybe? Haha its still kind of cool now depending on what kind of car is wrapped.

[G-spec]

it's annoying as hell when guys wanna beat a dead horse repeating the same arguments why aggressive wheel setups are more prone to damage, EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS !
you guys aren't winning any brownie points nor appearing smart repeating the same thing over and over and over again.

The hellaflush debate is WAY past that already! it's done strictly for looks and nothing more.
They're two opposite ends of the spectrum, we can all have our opinions but I'm sick of one side always claiming the other is better....
Small ugly dinky 16 inch rims with fat tires are done for performance, they win no style points but plenty of performance points.
Big flush super wide/lipped wheels are meant to look as aggressive as possible and nothing more, many a style point are won with these setups, none for performance however.



There IS one performance advantage for low profile stretched tires however, and it's when it comes to drifting, less sidewall = less tire flex = smoother drifts, that's pretty much where the fad started, and it will be here for a long time to come considering the fact drifting ain't going nowhere, we ALL know that! so you guys keep holding onto your dreams that it's just a "fad" and that it will pass, but that's pure ignorance if you believe that.

[underscore]

yes, but the majority of cars running around like this are NOT drift cars, they are street cars. real drifters will keep using the performance aspects of things to help their cars drift better, people with silly street cars will keep following fads.

and again, having camber and such out of wack, wheels that stick out too far and generally having your car set up in a way that is detrimental to it's ability to perform as needed on city streets should net you a VI for good reason.