2011 Ford Mustang GT vs. 2008 BMW M3.. Tie game

[flagella]

Now we just need to finalize the definition of "anywhere near" the M3. How many seconds are we talking about?

[tofu1413]

Originally Posted by jeff_alexander

Since when was a M3 90k?

walked into bimmer dealer two weeks ago, saw one marked at 89 something.



a special edition yellow one of sorts ( @ auto west ) was 99k

[orange7]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

whoa whoa whoa hey hey!



Come on now, the terms of the agreement are quite clear.

maybe you should give him some points for backing down???

have a poll?

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by orange7

maybe you should give him some points for backing down???

have a poll?

lol uh no

[ericthehalfbee]

They should put the 5.0L Ford engine into the M3 chassis. Then you'd have a much better car.

- An extra 100 lb/ft of torque is going to make the M3 quicker in a lot of situations.
- The car will weigh less. Sure it's only 20 lbs, but it's 20lbs on the front axle.
- It will handle better than it does now (see above).
- It will get better mileage.
- It will cost less than the current M3.
- It's mod friendly, so you could actually make your car faster without spending $15K.
- All those M3 owners who leased their car and can barely afford to keep it on the road can now burn 87 octane gas to save money.

[too_slow]

^LOL..

No man, people would lease an 8yr old old M3, and then spend more money on mods than the car's blackbook value!!!

IMHO, for those that have never driven a mustang, you should at least give it a chance and take it on a 'spirited' test drive.. My jaws dropped when I drove a '11 V6 coupe recently.. I can't imagine driving the new GT..

For those that are dashboard strokers.. the interior might not look good in photos, but the quality makes the new Civic/Accord interiors look like a Neon from the 90s.. (yes, i just complimented the mustang's interior).. kthxbye

[godwin]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

- All those M3 owners who leased their car and can barely afford to keep it on the road can now burn 87 octane gas to save money.

Most people lease lower end 3ers.. People leasing M3es are a rarity, because despite you can "write off" portion of your lease rate.. it is not 100%, more like 20%-30%.. For that amount of leasing to make sense, you have to be making 120k+ and when you are in that range, you don't need to lease unless you are over extended in the first place.

Not to mention CRA watches for these leases and consider them "hot" for audits. You can easily justify a 7er to carry around clients and guests, but very hard to justify a M3 for the same reason.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

E92 m3's torque is hella weak for a V8

E46 m3 260ish torqure for a 6 cylinder

V8 E92 makes 300 pounds of torque for a V8


go figure

[Great68]

Once upon a time Revscene compared Mustangs to Civics.

Now on Revscene Mustangs are compared to M3's.

I'd say Ford is doing an awesome job.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

^
:t humbsup:

[XtC-604]

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

^ I'd say the Ford engine is fantastic. Makes as much HP as the M3, but also gives you 100 lb/ft more torque. And it's bulletproof (Ford over-engineered the engine for future direct injection and possible supercharging, so things like the block, bearing caps and even heads and bolts are all upgraded).

The M3? Sure, you can get a whopping 9HP from a Dinan chip upgrade (are people stupid enough to buy this crap?). What would you expect from an engine that's already tuned to the max from the factory? You want any HP from the M3 engine and you're going to be spending big $$$.

Plus I guarantee you the Ford engine is going to be more reliable and costs a hell of a lot less to make.

ford + reliable lol
IM sure that if you could afford an M3 and pay it off all at once,money spent tuning it with a supercharger or a turbocharger wouldnt be a problem.

Originally Posted by ericthehalfbee

And how do you know this? Have you even read any articles describing the Coyote engine in detail? I'll admit the BMW engine is more advanced, but only slightly so. The Ford engine is a lot better than people assume it is (because it's a "Ford").

For example, the Ford has variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust (like many new engines do) but they use a different system that is simpler and works better than other systems. From an engineering standpoint, that makes the Ford system "better" IMO.

slightly? its fucking got itbs. and is the fastest and biggest v8 engine under 100g. an oil system thats not gonna get starved by it's immense cornering speeds.

Originally Posted by Volvo-brickster

Well it is quite clear that people buy cars for different reasons, and if you can't understand that, you can euthanize yourself immediately.

Some people buy it for speed, some buy it for practicality, some buy it for prestige.

People don't pay $90k for a M3 beacuse it has 400 horsepower? Then what does it have ? A vagina installed in the dashboard ?

It doesn;t have a vagina installed in the dashboard, but sure as hell can attract more vaginas to it than you can. Well guess what? the M3 has more prestige, more practicality(can get it as coupe, sedan or convertible) and more speed!

I'm sorry this is a retarded argument, people looking to buy an M3 are not going to cross shop into a ford dealership. Thats like how people going to buy a Rolex aren't going to end up with a Timex. Both do their functions properly, both can look good. But ain't in the same league

[XtC-604]

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

E92 m3's torque is hella weak for a V8

E46 m3 260ish torqure for a 6 cylinder

V8 E92 makes 300 pounds of torque for a V8


go figure

then f1 cars are a joke right?

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

F1 is F1, road car is totally different story

[jeff_alexander]

Originally Posted by XtC-604

slightly? its fucking got itbs. and is the fastest and biggest v8 engine under 100g. an oil system thats not gonna get starved by it's immense cornering speeds.

Eat my turd



this is the fastest and biggest V8 under 100g.

Shut the Fuck Up

Oh by the way, it also has Dry Sump oil system.

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by XtC-604

ford + reliable lol

Originally Posted by XtC-604

slightly? its fucking got itbs. and is the fastest and biggest v8 engine under 100g. an oil system thats not gonna get starved by it's immense cornering speeds.

Fastest and biggest V8 under $100g? Hardly.

Originally Posted by XtC-604

It doesn;t have a vagina installed in the dashboard, but sure as hell can attract more vaginas to it than you can.

Perhaps. But the only girls you're going to get who are attracted to you because of the car you drive are either 1) Gold diggers, or, 2) People that care more about "Face" and what others think about you. Neither of those types of people are even worth giving the time of the day.

Originally Posted by XtC-604

Well guess what? the M3 has more prestige, more practicality(can get it as coupe, sedan or convertible) and more speed!

BMW = Perceived prestige. More speed? In what way? Final speed, 0-60? 0-120?

[Hehe]

I don't get why this is even a discussion between M3 and Mustang. They are in completely different market sector.

If everything is about 0-60, quarter miles, then for the price GTR is godlike and anything else can be junk.

People who buy BMW don't care if a Mustang can be as fast as they do. Just as a Ferrari owner doesn't care a GTR is capable of pwning his shinny 300G Italian fine art for 1/3 of the price.

BMW M is a prestigious and well respected division in the world of automobiles. When you read car magazines you see all others (Caddy, Audi, Benz... etc) being compared to BMW Mx. There is no doubt that a M3 engine is much finer tuned than a Mustang. It's all about attention to detail. Mustang might be fast. But it would never have the level of sophistication of a M3.

This is a very same reason why people spend hundred of thousands on a Tourbillon watch when a 5bucks toy watch does exactly the same thing with perhaps better accuracy.

[XtC-604]

Originally Posted by jeff_alexander

Eat my turd



this is the fastest and biggest V8 under 100g.

Shut the Fuck Up

Oh by the way, it also has Dry Sump oil system.

Actually fastest meaning RPMS wise. Piston speed of that M3 is greater than that of the Corvette's. That is what engineering is. And its a dual system not a single.

Originally Posted by Lomac

Fastest and biggest V8 under $100g? Hardly.



Perhaps. But the only girls you're going to get who are attracted to you because of the car you drive are either 1) Gold diggers, or, 2) People that care more about "Face" and what others think about you. Neither of those types of people are even worth giving the time of the day.



BMW = Perceived prestige. More speed? In what way? Final speed, 0-60? 0-120?

What other road car has a v8 that revs to 8.4k making 400+hp and is over 100hp/L and is still pretty reliable???

Originally Posted by Hehe

I don't get why this is even a discussion between M3 and Mustang. They are in completely different market sector.

If everything is about 0-60, quarter miles, then for the price GTR is godlike and anything else can be junk.

People who buy BMW don't care if a Mustang can be as fast as they do. Just as a Ferrari owner doesn't care a GTR is capable of pwning his shinny 300G Italian fine art for 1/3 of the price.

BMW M is a prestigious and well respected division in the world of automobiles. When you read car magazines you see all others (Caddy, Audi, Benz... etc) being compared to BMW Mx. There is no doubt that a M3 engine is much finer tuned than a Mustang. It's all about attention to detail. Mustang might be fast. But it would never have the level of sophistication of a M3.

This is a very same reason why people spend hundred of thousands on a Tourbillon watch when a 5bucks toy watch does exactly the same thing with perhaps better accuracy.

Pretty much what i'm trying to say. Its not like people going to buy a rolex is going to cross shop a timex. In this case, people aren't gonna cross shop a piece of proven art vs a rickety pos with a crappy interior and horrid panel gaps that rebuilt cars don't even have.

[jeff_alexander]

If all you care is about 100hp/L and high revs then you should get a S2000 or a motorcycle.

[Great68]

Originally Posted by XtC-604

a rickety pos with a crappy interior and horrid panel gaps that rebuilt cars don't even have.

You were making a somewhat valid argument, until you completely discredited yourself with that statement right there.

[slow-fastback]

Originally Posted by jeff_alexander

If all you care is about 100hp/L and high revs then you should get a S2000 or a motorcycle.

actually, he does have an S2000... lol

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Originally Posted by jeff_alexander

If all you care is about 100hp/L and high revs then you should get a S2000 or a motorcycle.

he already has a s2k

[tofu1413]

Originally Posted by jeff_alexander

Eat my turd



this is the fastest and biggest V8 under 100g.

Shut the Fuck Up

Oh by the way, it also has Dry Sump oil system.

thats a fine lookin engine. at least it looks like one.

[jeff_alexander]

Originally Posted by slo-HONDAhatch

actually, he does have an S2000... lol

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

he already has a s2k

No wonder he brings up hp/L arguements on all cars. I bet he uses the same excuses when the 350Z guys go faster than him.

"My car makes more hp/L than your car" "It also revs to over 9000 RPM"

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by XtC-604

crappy interior and horrid panel gaps that rebuilt cars don't even have.

Iono about that one. I traded cars with an '08 Mustang GT owner a while back and imo the interior is at least on par with the s2k (what interior?), except that the seats are total freaking garbage and they're the first thing I'd throw in the trash the second no one was looking. Seriously the seats are a crime against god.

[jeff_alexander]

The 2011 mustang has a much nicer interior compared to the '08.