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IMO if you think that a car that handles almost as good as an e92 m3 is "totally fail on the track" then i think you should get your brain checked
I had a brain lapse. I was thinking of the earlier year mustangs. Didn't know they came out with a better model. With that said I still would buy a import if I buy a new car. One of the reasons I'm planning on buying a Lotus Elise.
The ford mustang has been around for how many years?. Any car can be improved if given enough time. It shouldn't have taken this long for ford to make a car rival a more expensive car in terms of performance. even Chevy I have more respect for because they've made the corvette which has always been a sweet car especially the Z06 which shits on cars twice its price.
^ true about the Corvette....but I bet you the Mustang has made Ford way more money than the Corvette has for Chevy.....Ford has always been focused on making the Mustang affordable.....there is a reason the Mustang has always kicked the Camaro/trans am in unit sales.......
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The M3 is hands down the best handling sports sedan out there. Any magazine that has tested it has said so. Any professional driver who has spent time behind the wheel has said so. And, of course, every M3 owner who bought one also says so.
But do the owners say so because they know the subtle differences between an M3 and similar sports sedans and have the skill & knowledge to define the capabilities of each one?
No.
They bought the M3 because the magazines said it was the best. And all the knowledge they share about the M3 to their buddies also comes from these magazines, and not from personal experience. Bottom line: 98% of M3 owners know shit about driving.
Same thing with the 911. Very good car, but mostly bought by people with money and zero driving knowledge.
So it's really funny hearing people talk about these cars like they have so much personal racing experience that qualifies them to actually make a statement like "the M3 feels much more stable in the corners, and I was able to consistently achieve higher exit speeds blah blah blah".
i wish i had your deep pockets, otherwise i would be all over an m3 as well, but that is not the case. even if i were able to scrape up enough for an m3, i wouldn't have anything left for a dinner and a movie after a successful MILF hunt LOL...
i'm a little confused... are you sure you drove a 2010 gt? if so, it would have been the old 4.6L v8 version, and not the 5.0. i'm also not 100% sure but i think the 2010 had the old hydraulic power steering assist... rich, are you out there?
also wondering what is your definition of "vague steering and scary handling"? my test drive didn't involve any autox manoevers and i only experienced the fast sweeping turns and a few of the tighter ones on cypress, and didn't feel anything amiss. but then again i only had 30 minutes to drive it, not days, and rich was in the car so i had to be on my best behaviour heh... the only time i was doing close to 80mph was trying to dodge that mouthbreather in the mercedes who thought merging onto the highway should be done at 50kmh, and there was no hysterics to report. rich regularly autocrosses a porsche and he had no complaints (albeit he may be biased since he sells fords lol)...
this is the car I drove:
the unsprung weight of the wheels, tires and suspension is pretty high --- the car I drove had 19"s i think -- it would be even heavier with bigger optional rims/tires. This is what makes the Stang feel HEAVY and ponderous in my opinion. The suspension just fees like a typical heavy American car -- more like an SUV than a sports car.
i had the Stang for three full days -- did several smoky burnouts in parking lots, tested the steering at highway speed and on on/offramps.
I've also driven an older Shelby Type H in Vegas for a weekend. That was a fun straight line car -- but still scary at the edge of traction limits.
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i don't see brembos on it... i think those might be 18's? i really don't know enough unfortunately. was that a base model?
__________________ "The guy in the CR-V meanwhile, he'll give you a haughty glare. He's responsibly trying to lessen his impact, but there you go lumbering past him with your loud V8, flouting the new reality. You may as well go do some donuts in a strawberry patch and slalom through a litter of kittens." Dan Frio, Automotive Editor, Edmunds
i'm at work so i don't have the documentation rich gave me... but without the brembos i think you get the smaller wheels, all season tires, and standard suspension.
i have to go back and read, but when you order the brembos there is some sort of reprogramming to the computer that handles the traction control system in the car (i don't know the name ford calls it... TCS?)
are you comparing your itr to the mustang? if so then yes i'm in agreement that the mustang feels like a brick. but having owned an itr in the past and now that i'm much older (and more mature but many question that ) i still like the mustang more
ugh i need a better paying job to pay for the toys
__________________ "The guy in the CR-V meanwhile, he'll give you a haughty glare. He's responsibly trying to lessen his impact, but there you go lumbering past him with your loud V8, flouting the new reality. You may as well go do some donuts in a strawberry patch and slalom through a litter of kittens." Dan Frio, Automotive Editor, Edmunds
If the Mustang can post lap times anywhere near the M3, I'll shit on the floor and eat it with a spoon. Simply won't happen.
Don't get me wrong, this new Mustang looks like the best one in several decades... but I don't think it's quite in the M3 performance league yet. When will people learn that skid pad numbers don't translate to handling and cornering in real life? It's a rough way to tell how well a car sticks to the road, but hardly a conclusive stat.
Granted, I'm a BMW homer to some extent, I think this is a silly comparison anyway. Would you compare an STI and an Audi S4 because the performance numbers are similar? Obviously not.
The BMW doesn't cost $30k more because of the raw performance...
SOOOOO... as we can see from the video... ill pay for the spoon.. plastic or metal?
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The M3 is obviously the more desirable car, but at almost 80 grand to put up performance figures a car half it's value can touch? Is it worth it?
I would feel like a total chump if I dropped $30,000 extra, which is basically another car, and had to redline every gear to shit and still couldn't shake a fat, ugly ass mustang off my tail... even having to worry about it completely walking me if I miss a shift...and the fact it's fat and ugly makes it 10 times worse. M3 costs $30,000 extra for what now? A nicer dashboard and door panels?
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) i still like the mustang more 
