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What I dont get is why everyone assumes that if there are aliens they are more advanced then us. How do we know that they arent still in the caveman stage on whatever planet they are on.
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I don't think cavemen have mastered intergalatic travel. Posted via RS Mobile
Thats what I'm saying. Maybe there are aliens but they are stuck on some planet that is a 10,000,000,000,000,000 light years away trying to figure out how to create fire.
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i agree. other planets out there with life may not even have evolved to have "humanoid" intelligent organisms yet.. For all I know, the planets out there could just be inhabited by microbes.
Yes that's true, regarding the microbes or lower life forms. But when we are assuming advanced life forms that have mastered space travel when we think about possible encounters. I don't think anyone will equate an alien encounter with lower life forms because we can't travel through space effciently enough to meet these less advanced life forms. So it's easy to see that our highest probability of seeing an alien is through them meeting us. Posted via RS Mobile
Thats what I'm saying. Maybe there are aliens but they are stuck on some planet that is a 10,000,000,000,000,000 light years away trying to figure out how to create fire.
considering the size of our universe, there probably are aliens that are at that stage. however, its ignorant to assume we are the most advanced out of all the potential species out there. theres bound to be tons of species that are way beyond us in evolution.
how many hundreds of billions of planets or stars are there?
im sure there is at least ONE or TWO species that HAS mastered intergalactic travel, took one look at us, saw Richmond and/or Paris Hilton, and decided to stay the fuck away from Earth.
would any intelligent life form want to give us technology/space travel given that they have observed us for a period of time and see that we:
rape and pillage our own kind
mass murder and wars over nothing
still have numerous people dying/starving and in poverty while there are fatcats shitting money out every second
would they really want such filth spreading across the universe?
honestly, we're a plague and until we as a species are able to change the way we think and can live a life of servitude to others instead of to self. no intelligent benevolent species will want us to gain access to the rest of the universe
human race is a virus....an intellectual culture would realize this and either kill us...or let us kill each other off.....or if they were compassionate they would try to change our ways
and also, we are not the most advanced race in the universe...im sure there are thousands of races out there, much more advanced than us....millions that are at the same stage as us...and trillions that less advanced
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What I dont get is why everyone assumes that if there are aliens they are more advanced then us. How do we know that they arent still in the caveman stage on whatever planet they are on.
stephen hawking is cocern about the aliens that could earth. if the aliens could get here.. then obviouisly they are more advance then us
and why else would they come .. becuz they want to conquer our resources
stephen hawking is cocern about the aliens that could earth. if the aliens could get here.. then obviouisly they are more advance then us
and why else would they come .. becuz they want to conquer our resources
I said it before and I'll say it again...
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Originally Posted by Graeme S
If any of you are interested in the concept of "Space Scavengers" that is postulated in the original post, I would recommend you read a book called "Footfall" by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. It's an older book so some of the politics and technologies are a bit out of date, but the points made in the book are really interesting--for the most part, the conquest of a planet in order to gain resources is highly inefficient.
Want fuel? Scoop-dive a gas giant (hydrogen is the lightest so it should be near the top). Want water? Find an ice asteroid and cut it loose to harvest it--no need to waste fuel pulling it up from Gravity. Metals? Find some asteroids or a low-gee moon to stripmine.
Those who think that the conquest of a planet in order to gain its resources is the most efficient and possible truth...I highly doubt it. Why even bother with an inhabited planet that has technology? It's much more likely they'd come and just strip our system bare, and just leave us alone. Or just nuke the whole planet and be done with us.
i agree. other planets out there with life may not even have evolved to have "humanoid" intelligent organisms yet.. For all I know, the planets out there could just be inhabited by microbes.
This is why I hate Star Trek. Not all evolution follows the humanoid form. Extra terrestrial entities could take a complete other shape and/or form.
There could be a huge disparity in size too. In the grand scheme of things, Earth is already a small planet within our local Solar System. Imagine if a huge body of planet were to spawn and sustain life and produce beings relative to its size.
Think about it from the other perspective. Imagine if interstellar travel was possible for us tomorrow. The first thing we would do is to try to find other intelligent life. No matter if they are far advanced, or way behind us.
So with infinite possibilities, I'm sure another space-faring life form will have the same goals. So of course they are going to contact us if they find us. Otherwise, what would be the point?
You can even look at it on a macro level. Right here on earth we study every living thing to the greatest possible detail. So if we were traveling through space easily, we would be doing the exact same thing. Saying that a life form more advanced than us would simply ignore us because we are not advanced is like saying we should stop studying primates just because they aren't as advanced.
Probably the aliens won't even see us a a lifeform. Maybe to them we are just a rust on a door knob. i think to assume that aliens are travelling through space to find lifeform, is assuming they have the same curiousity as us earthlings do.
btw, i just wanted to make fun of that minister of defense .. didn't think this thread would get all trekky
But what if the other "aliens" are living on earth in a parallel universe and are similarly advanced? And while they might discover a gateway to our universe, who's to say that they have comparable military advancement? Stephen's thinking too small on this one.
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