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The issue isn't noise so much as it is the whole riser / racer stigma. Loud Sport compacts and bikes tend to be owned by younger guys who tend to goof around on the streets. It's BS profiling as far as I'm concerned.
What profiling?
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The North Vancouver RCMP and Port Mann freeway patrol are inviting motorcycle riders and other vehicle owners to attend the parking lot of the Main street off ramp at the Ironworkers Memorial bridge, on June 5th and 6th from 8:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. for free decibel testing of their exhaust systems. This type of testing has never been offered by the police before and will be a unique opportunity for riders and drivers to become more aware of their noise levels. Trained Police officers will determine if the noise levels from the exhaust pipes are illegally loud.
On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements. Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.
- If a motorcycle, car or truck is making more noise than a factory model, it is too loud.
No mention of ricers, racers, exotics, rustbuckets, or any other pigeonhole.
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There should just be a legal noise limit regardless of engine power size or exhaust size. .
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if they were to come up with a legal db number, the retards will probably come up with some stupidly low db limit like 60db.
27 A motor vehicle shall be equipped with an exhaust muffler which complies with section 7.03 of the regulations.
The opinion of an inspector as to whether the engine and exhaust noise is greater than that made by other vehicles in good condition of comparable size, horsepower, piston displacement or compression ratio shall determine whether exhaust gases are expelled with excessive noise.
When tested in an inspection station, the vehicle engine, any auxiliary engine and exhaust level shall not exceed Table 3 standards.
[en. B.C. Reg. 658/76, s. 2.]
Table 3
[am. B.C. Reg. 656/76, s. 2.]
Class of Vehicle Maximum Allowable Sound Pressure Level DBA
Light duty 83
Gasoline-driven heavy duty 88
Motorcycles 91
Diesel-driven heavy duty 93
Of course, you COULD just take 30 seconds to look this stuff up for yourself (it only gets discussed on a monthly basis in the Police Forum), but I suppose it's easier to just blather on like an ignorant asshole with no idea what you're talking about.
To coin a phrase: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt."
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Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?"
if you have an loud aftermarket exhaust....how hard is it for you not to be a giant douche bag and drive at a low RPM?
when driving streets like Robson, granville, columbia and any other heat source, keep it low, keep it quiet and if you get nailed you have only yourself to blame
use common sense...don't be prick and drive around at 4K all the time and you will be fine
i have an off road H + flowmasters and its stupid loud between 2500-5000 RPM but if i lug it below 2000 it's muffled and barely noticed
driving like an idiot ripping down on robson, than get tagged with a VI or whatever violation is fine, fair game. Its like a speeder speeding, he/she gotta prepare the consequences.
but if the person is driving very mild, and the cops (aka richmond) likes to set up homo blocks, and tags every single car with a exhaust than tats pretty unavoidable. Or slap a VI across the owners face whether they are actually too low or not is pretty lame. I'd gotten a VI due to some stupid trap before, when my car wasnt even lowered, the cop was like..NOPE its lowered....here is a VI,i was like wtf
Happened at Galardi exit couple years ago....8 years ago i believe
If society as a whole decrees that a fringe group of individuals is pissing off everybody else, then that fringe group should smarten up, and set themselves straight.
This is what our society lacks nowadays. Common sense and decency. The common sense to realize that it's their own paranoia that's out to get them, and not the mayor, the police, the government, or the CIA. The decency to realize how wrong they are, own up to it, and change their ways.
Everybody is a such a free spirit, running around waving their "rights" card crying that they have a "right" to do whatever they want. As a society, everybody has gone from being cordial and considerate, to "it's all about me, and anything or anybody who disagrees is wrong!". Lesson here, no one likes those who breaks social mores and norms.
Leave it to Wiki to explain it:
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Social norms are the behavioral expectations and cues within a society or group. This sociological term has been defined as "the rules that a group uses for appropriate and inappropriate values, beliefs, attitudes and behaviors. These rules may be explicit or implicit. Failure to follow the rules can result in severe punishments, including exclusion from the group."[1] They have also been described as the "customary rules of behavior that coordinate our interactions with others."
Reading a thread like this, you can really pick out the hypocrites, the idiots, and the selfish individuals who lack all of the great values that our society now lacks. What's worse is those of you who are guilty don't realize it, and would fight to the death to deny it if called on. I can even bet that most of you would turn around and put the blame on us, the considerate, level-headed individuals.
Mad Men shows us all. I won't explain what I mean by this. For those who understand, I'm sure they'll agree.
Edit: I can't believe some of you are even bringing up lowered cars as an argument to this noise issue. Talk about reaching. Yea, sure. We'll all be sympathetic to your own unbiased, introspective recollection of events that happened to you at some uncertain time ago.
Point being here is that the police is investing in NEW testing devices. Is this where the priorities lie in law enforcement? There are FACTORY exhausts that will exceed the 83db. But they are legally imported and sold in BC? (any Italian supercar). Also if I am not mistaken the tests are supposed to be done at an approved testing facility. So how does a downtown street in the middle of rush hour with construction and traffic noise make for an accurate reading?
Secondly there is no real guide as to what that 83db must be measured at? Is it at idle, WOT, 3000rpm?
All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.
All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.
Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?
Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.
Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?
Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.
So you are telling me this is a good allocation of resources?
Who are you to judge what is and isn't a priority? Are you an elected government official? A police officer? A city controller? The mayor?
Essentially, are you qualified or educated in any way shape or form to make a judgement call as to how resources should be allocated, or what is and isn't a "problem"? So you pay taxes, and all of a sudden you have the right to call the shots? So do millions of others. What if their tax dollars and opinion conflict with yours? It's a good thing we don't make our decisions based on tax dollars all the time, or nothing would get done.
So you are telling me this is a good allocation of resources?
No. What i'm trying to communicate to you is that there are resources we aren't aware of, and priorities that need attention for reasons that we may not know about or fully understand. Just because you, I, or anybody else thinks it's a waste of this and that doesn't automatically make it so. The difference between an ignorant individual and a rather intelligent individual is that the latter understands this, and accepts it. The former just complains, not knowing what he's talking about, all the while looking like what Soundy said, "an ignorant asshole".
It's great to have an opinion. Just put some thought into it, instead of just spitting it out like so many people do here.
Point being here is that the police is investing in NEW testing devices.
Is this not what RS has been begging for? Go search "exhaust noise" in Police Forum and just see if you can keep up with how many posters there whine about getting excessive noise tickets from cops who "never actually measured" the noise level. This should make them all happy: no more guessing, now the cops will have a hard reading of how far over the limit your exhaust is.
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Is this where the priorities lie in law enforcement?
This question would be funny if it weren't so obtuse. You make it sound as if ALL OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT was being suspended in favor of cracking down on noise. No more will there be speed traps, drunk-driving checks, vice and drug sweeps, murder investigations... the police have only ONE PRIORITY now: busting all those stupid fart cans!
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All that aside. BC has so many other pressing issues that need to be focused and wasting police man hours as well as dollars to combat something that really isn't a major problem is insane. Its a cash grab and nothing else.
Ah yes, the old "cash grab" whinge had to get trotted out sooner or later.
Hey fucktard: go over to North Van on the days listed... get your exhaust checked FOR FREE with no worry about getting a ticket or VI... find out what your actual noise level is and what needs to be done to fix it if it's too high... and guess what? You get to STICK IT TO THE MAN by not having to give him any of your money!
How fucking stupid can you be?
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Not a sebberry post goes by where I don't frown and think to myself "so..?"
And this again is proof that vancouver is nothing but a bunch of fufu bicycle short wearin starbucks sippin fairies.
Its one thing to have an aftermarket exhaust and be a douche driving it but its another to just have an aftermarket exhaust on your car and being responsible.
The biggest problem that comes from this is the fact that the police nowdays are so stupid, they'll do anything they're trained to do. If they were informed that mustangs only came from the factory in a v6 model and all mustangs with v8's are modified "street racers", they'd actually believe it!
So you tell the whole department that any aftermarket exhaust is illegal, they're gonna be pulling over every car that sounds somewhat loud with a shiny exhaust.
And really, the consistancy of holding up this law is completely thrown out the window. There may be "trained" officers at these testings possibly with decibel meters but that doesn't change the fact that any joe blow powertrip cop on the street that woke up on the wrong side of the bed that has his banana hammock riding up on him can just hand you a ticket just cause he could hear you. And on top of that, chances are when they hand you a ticket, they won't even bother testing the noise level of your exhaust with a proper decibel meter.
Which really boils down to this...
If you get a ticket for this bs, dispute it, go weld in a resonator or put your stock exhaust back on. If you can, get the decibal level tested by a third party. Record the data as fully as you can, i.e. decibels at idle, 2000 rpms, 3000 rpms, etc. Then, send in a letter to the court and to the issuing officer stating that your requesting the service and calibration records of the decibel tester.
When you go to court, tell the worship that you got your exhaust tested, it read so and so decibels which is nowhere near the legal limit. You've requested the service and calibration records from the officer (chances are you won't get it) and they were never provided which brings in to question whether or not the instrument used to measure the noise level was even functioning properly. If the officer didn't even use a decibel meter, then you have black and white proof that your car is within legal limits.
The ticket will get thrown out and you can leave the courtroom with the satisfaction that your tax dollars were actually used on you for once.
Now I'm not condoning pulling this scheme or any other "wise" ideas people may come up with. I'm just merely stating that handing out fines based on such shaky grounds is a waste of not only the cops but the general public's time as well.
If they wanted to do more roadside checks on idiots driving while yaking on cell phones, then I'm all for it.
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Driving with an aftermarket exhaust = $109 dollar fine and 3 points.
Being an RCMP member and running over a guy on a motorcycle while drunk, leaving the scene of the accident = a paid vacation and a promotion to a desk job.
Landing in BC and not speaking any english = 50000 volt complimentary taser which leads to death.
Being the guy that tasered a completely innocent guy = nothing happens.
Can you seriously tell me that there's nothing fucked up with this province?
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I'm more confused with the location of it....do they mean this bus parking lot?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=main+street&sll=49.278081,-123.031983&sspn=0.023322,0.066047&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Main+St,+North+Vancouver,+British+Columbia,+Canada&ll=49.305427,-123.028765&spn=0.002914,0.008256&t=h&z=18
or the parking lot off Oxford Street? Coz I'd find an opening and WOT my Galant nearby to let them hear it.
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Ah yes, the old "cash grab" whinge had to get trotted out sooner or later.
Hey fucktard: go over to North Van on the days listed... get your exhaust checked FOR FREE with no worry about getting a ticket or VI... find out what your actual noise level is and what needs to be done to fix it if it's too high... and guess what? You get to STICK IT TO THE MAN by not having to give him any of your money!
How fucking stupid can you be?
I would actually consider respecting your opinion if you didn't resort to acting like a 2 year old in your response...
Simply put you CANNOT test how loud a car is on a city street. There is too much ambient noise to skew the reading...
And as another poster said there are probably factory exhausts that exceed this "standard" or WOULD exceed it when tested in the downtown core next to idling traffic and an active construction zone.
And why the hell should I have to waste my time going to check my exhaust noise when I drive a bone stock car?
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When you go to court, tell the worship that you got your exhaust tested, it read so and so decibels which is nowhere near the legal limit. You've requested the service and calibration records from the officer (chances are you won't get it) and they were never provided which brings in to question whether or not the instrument used to measure the noise level was even functioning properly. If the officer didn't even use a decibel meter, then you have black and white proof that your car is within legal limits.
The ticket will get thrown out and you can leave the courtroom with the satisfaction that your tax dollars were actually used on you for once.
That's great and all... but why should someone have to go and defend themselves when they may have not broken the law in the first place? Why should an officer get to fine someone if they don't even go through the process of checking to see if they are in fact violating the law? If in fact the car fails a roadside test it should be sent to a government facility to be tested. Simple.
Everyone go with straight pipes. If I hadn't just given my car to a friend i'd roll down with it, at the very least I could deafen the cops and not have to worry about it until I left the parking lot.
On these days only, drivers will be offered an amnesty (no charges) by the police in North Vancouver. If their vehicle is found to be above the legal decibel limit, the Police will explain how to make the necessary improvements. Only street legal and street safe motorcycles and vehicles will be tested.
All others will be ticketed towed/impounded
Do you really think that they are gonna ignore "other " Ticket-able offenses?
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hahaha but im sure you have a proper exhaust setup with a deeper sound. Im talking about the canadian tire specials on ricer civics and cavalierrs Posted via RS Mobile
spoon n1 axel-back, t1R b-pipe, kiddracing race header... sure it gives off some fumes *coughcough*... but it's certaintly quieter than 99% of the garbage i hear...
then again, fart cans are not LOUD... they are just annoying to your brain... that's why they are heard as loud
I wonder if that constable has ever ridden a motorcycle. His statement about the noise only being an annoyance makes me feel otherwise. Posted via RS Mobile
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