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When you first play hockey, the first thing to remember is to "keep your head up". :P
Bad call, good call, it's been called already. I'm just hoping that next game will be similiar to game 1 where it was an intense game with no fight outbreaks or taunting. Just a clean, hard game.
if the canucks get back to playing their style of hockey, they will win game 4. at the very least, i'd like to see a better effort collectively and see them keep their composure no matter what the result. win or lose, hit them where it hurts most, up above on the scoreboard.
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Mike Murphy just told me that he's told both clubs the next player who does the finger wagging in a scrum gets 2 min plus 10-min misconduct
LOL now they're going to make a biting motion.
This is the last time I'm going to post about the Rome hit and then I'm moving on as I hope the team is. After their performance last night, they have more important things pressing.
I stand by what I wrote yesterday: late hit but clean. Horton's injury came from hitting the ice. If his head doesn't hit the ice that way, Rome gets a 2 minute interference and that's it. Given that he got injured so badly, I accepeted the misconduct.
Now, 4 games for that hit, after it was thoroughly reviewed by the NHL? Terrible, terrible call. Not even a 48. I wouldn't be surprised if they handed it out right after finding out Horton was out for the season.
NHL trying to set a new precedent?
---Not at this time of year. Not given what's gone down in SCF in the past.
NHL trying to give the East an edge?
---Maybe, maybe not
NHL trying to protect Rome from retaliation from the Bruins?
---Stupid way to do it. I highly doubt AV would've played him in Game 4 and Rome would taken his chance if he did.
We're deep enough in D that it shouldn't make a noticeable difference and the new look we give Boston in Game 4 could very well work in our favour.
Here, much worse hit with a better outcome for the hitee, 1 game suspension:
I just want the team to regroup and come out fresh and play their game tomorrow. A tall order given only 1 day but for this team, this year, very doable.
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I stand by what I wrote yesterday: late hit but clean. Horton's injury came from hitting the ice. If his head doesn't hit the ice that way, Rome gets a 2 minute interference and that's it. Given that he got injured so badly, I accepeted the misconduct.
But blindside under rule 48. aiiiiii this kinda sucks...but read this!
BOSTON – He lay on his back on the logo, his body aligned with the “t” in the words “Stanley Cup Final.” His stick lay at his feet. His right hand stayed stuck in the air for a moment, grotesquely, before falling slowly to his side.
“I skated by once, and his eyes were rolled back,” teammate Dennis Seidenberg said. “It didn’t look good.”
It was as ugly as it gets. After a long season of head shots and concussions and heated debates, Nathan Horton had taken the latest nasty hit here on the NHL’s biggest stage – a hit that changed the course of this game and this series, a hit we can only hope doesn’t change the course of his career.
The Boston Bruins watched Horton carted off on a stretcher in a hushed TD Garden. They heard that he went to the hospital moving his extremities. Then they poured their emotion into an 8-1 victory over the Vancouver Canucks in Game 3 on Monday night, fighting back from a 2-0 series deficit, fighting for their fallen teammate.
“Really big,” Bruins winger Brad Marchand called it. “We just wanted to make sure that we didn’t let him down, and we came together and won tonight for him.”
In that sense it was deeply satisfying for the Bruins, and it should be a little scary for the Canucks, who saw a similar scenario play out in the first round. They held a 2-0 series lead over the Chicago Blackhawks when Raffi Torres smoked Brent Seabrook in Game 3. After the NHL declined to suspended Torres, the ’Hawks woke up, won Game 4 by a 7-2 score and erased a 3-0 series deficit.
But remember: The Canucks ended up winning that series in seven games, and even if this incident woke up the Bruins, even if it results in a stiff suspension for defenseman Aaron Rome, it should work to their advantage in the long run. That’s the brutal truth.
Rome is a depth defenseman, and the Canucks have comparable replacements in Keith Ballard and Chris Tanev. Horton is a scorer on a team that often starves for goals. He has three game-winners in these playoffs, including two in Game 7s. The Bruins have no comparable replacement for him, and with center Marc Savard sitting out with his career threatened by concussions, they know the picture is even bigger than that.
“Your immediate concern is for your teammate,” Bruins defenseman Andrew Ference said. “I mean, it’s not for yourself about missing a guy. It’s about his health and him being taken care of. It’s first and foremost. So until we kind of know the status of that, you don’t start thinking about the hockey side of it until he’s all right.”
It happened 5:07 into the first period. Horton skated up ice, passed the puck to his left and kept his head turned to watch it. He took two steps. He was in the process of taking a third step – almost a full second after releasing the puck – when he got blasted by a shoulder to the head at the Vancouver blue line. As he fell backward, his head smacked onto the ice.
Rome struck Horton from the front in terms of Horton’s torso, so he apparently did not violate Rule 48, which the league instituted last year to ban blindside hits to the head. Horton did not have his head up, which he is still responsible for doing under the rules as they are written today. But the hit was late, and Rome jumped into it, leaving his feet as he made contact, his left elbow elevating on the follow through.
I don’t know what went through Rome’s mind at that split-second. He’s a quiet guy. He’s not known as a dirty player. He was suspected of having a concussion himself in the Western Conference final. But Rome’s instinct was to hit Horton high instead of drilling his shoulder into his chest, and that speaks to a larger problem.
It just so happens that the NHL’s blue-ribbon panel led by league executive Brendan Shanahan, who will handle supplementary discipline starting next season, will present its recommendations on expanding Rule 48 when the general managers meet Wednesday in Boston. The league must do more to protect defenseless players.
“The culture of our game, that’s the stuff we need to get out of the game, the head shots,” Bruins forward Shawn Thornton said. “It’s in the league’s hands now, and I’m sure they’ll take a look at it and do the right thing.”
NHL senior vice-president Mike Murphy ought to suspend Rome. The right call was made on the ice – a five-minute major for interference and a game misconduct.
After watching Horton lay flat on his back for several minutes, after hearing the fans chant his name, after watching him carted off on the stretcher, the Bruins failed to capitalize on the power play and failed to register a single shot the rest of the period. But in the dressing room during the first intermission, they heard he was moving his arms and legs.
“You always make mention about the guy that’s gone to the hospital, that I’m sure, being there, he’d like to see this team win this hockey game,” Bruins coach Claude Julien said. “It’s always something to motivate yourself with.”
Said Bruins winger Mark Recchi: “There wasn’t a lot of talk. It was more of, ‘Let’s make sure we do this for Hortie. Hortie has been a great teammate for us all year. Let’s get this win for him tonight.’ ”
And so they did.
They caught a break at the start of the second. The Canucks won the opening faceoff, but defenseman Alex Edler’s stick broke. The Bruins gained the zone, and Ference ended up scoring on a floater from the left point. The floodgates opened from there – a power play goal, a shorthanded goal and more.
After scoring a total of three goals in their past three games, the Bruins scored four in the second and four in the third. Canucks coach Alain Vigneault kept goaltender Roberto Luongo in net for all of it, possibly damaging the confidence Luongo had worked so hard to rebuild since faltering in the first round.
The officials tried to keep the game from getting out of hand in the third period, but the Bruins’ bitterness bubbled over anyway. The highlights: Goaltender Tim Thomas shoving Canucks captain Henrik Sedin to the ice while making a save, and winger Milan Lucic offering his fingers to Alex Burrows to bite after Burrows slashed Thomas.
Burrows, of course, bit the Bruins’ Patrice Bergeron in Game 1, and the Canucks’ Max Lapierre offered his fingers to Bergeron in Game 2. Julien said Monday morning that Lapierre’s behavior would be unacceptable in Boston, and to his credit, he blasted Recchi – who did something similar in the first period – and Lucic in the dressing room after the game.
Emotion helped get the Bruins back in this series, but emotion will keep them in it only if they keep it under control. Their margin for error continues to be slim. It’s even slimmer now that Horton has been sent to the hospital.
“I’m sure they don’t like us, and we don’t like them,” Lucic said. “There’s a lot on the line. I think that’s what makes this a fun series to be a part of. But going forward as a team, as far as we’re concerned, we’re still down in the series and we need to carry over what we did here today.”
the thing about that hit is that it wouldn't have even been a penalty if horton got up right away.. i hate how suspensions and penalties are basically a direct result of how badly injured the player is. forecheckers who finish their hit on d men on the endboards hit waaayyyyy later than that.. Forecheckers literally finish their check a good 1-2 seconds after the d man has upped the puck off the boards, and yet they were complaining this was late just because it was open ice? yes it was late, no it wasn't dirty. I am sure the hit Hamhuis too from Getzlaf was later than this hit.
With that said, I am not pissed at all since I was never a Rome fan. Go Ballard!
Yeah Rome gets 4 (in the SCF?), whereas Chara gets 0 (during regular season)? I accept the suspension, just not the length.
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This is the last time I'm going to post about the Rome hit and then I'm moving on as I hope the team is. After their performance last night, they have more important things pressing.
I stand by what I wrote yesterday: late hit but clean. Horton's injury came from hitting the ice. If his head doesn't hit the ice that way, Rome gets a 2 minute interference and that's it. Given that he got injured so badly, I accepeted the misconduct.
Now, 4 games for that hit, after it was thoroughly reviewed by the NHL? Terrible, terrible call. Not even a 48. I wouldn't be surprised if they handed it out right after finding out Horton was out for the season.
NHL trying to set a new precedent?
---Not at this time of year. Not given what's gone down in SCF in the past.
NHL trying to give the East an edge?
---Maybe, maybe not
NHL trying to protect Rome from retaliation from the Bruins?
---Stupid way to do it. I highly doubt AV would've played him in Game 4 and Rome would taken his chance if he did.
We're deep enough in D that it shouldn't make a noticeable difference and the new look we give Boston in Game 4 could very well work in our favour.
Here, much worse hit with a better outcome for the hitee, 1 game suspension:
I just want the team to regroup and come out fresh and play their game tomorrow. A tall order given only 1 day but for this team, this year, very doable.
that Pronger hit was the first thing i thought of when i heard about the 4 game suspension. It definitely had malicious intent, yet only 1 game. And its from a repeat offender in PRONGER.
Cmon, relaively Aaron Rome is squeaky clean. Pronger makes him look like a saint
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I didn't say they were identical but they have similarities and the resulting suspension of Rome likely occcured to prevent what happened after the Moore hit.
the similarities:
1. two scrub players hitting star players while having no real priors.
2. Horton not keeping his head up, admiring his pass at mid ice.
- Naslund not keeping his head up, reaching for a puck at mid ice
3. Both Horton and Naslund receiving concussions from their hits.
4. Rome's hit = clean if not for timing. Moore's hit considered clean at the time (blindside now)
What resulted from Steve Moore not receiving a penalty or a suspension for his hit on Naslund was the infamous Bertuzzi Incident. Rome likely received the suspension he did, effectively taking him out of the playoffs, to prevent a similar Bertuzzi Incident from possibly occuring in retaliation for Horton.
1) Late hit
2) Seriousness of injury to Horton
3) Has nothing to do with rule 48
So usually 1 playoff game is 2 regular season games. So would this be about 9 games including the game misconduct. If this suspension is going to set the precedent, i'm fine with it. If however, it isn't, absolute fail on the NHL's part.
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My only opinion now is that I feel bad for Rome as a player,
who probably didn't deserve a 4 game suspension.
That being said, I personally could really care less.
I don't care about the inconsistencies relative from other suspensions.
I'm just simply going to move on.
Acknowledge we basically traded Rome for Horton. The 4 game suspension makes
the Boston team less irate, less chance of retaliation on one of our star players,
and we have the opportunity to see a better dman who probably deserves to be playing more than Rome did.
If anything, the 4 game suspension is probably more helpful to us than if it was only a 2 game suspension.
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The ignorant comments I'm reading both in the media and on social media are staggering. So many armchair hockey players that have no idea what it's like to play hockey at a high level.
The ignorant comments I'm reading both in the media and on social media are staggering. So many armchair hockey players that have no idea what it's like to play hockey at a high level.
pfft armchair hockey players...ive been playing since NHL 98'
I absolutely hate how the NHL bases it's suspensions/penalties on result rather than cause.
I high stick you in the face and there's no blood, I get 2 minutes.
I high stick you in the face and draw blood, I get 4 minutes.
How does that make sense?? Some areas on the face are more easily cut than others. What does drawing blood have to do with the act itself. Fucking stupid.
It's the same thing with suspensions. I make an extremely dirty hit on you, you get up right away, I recieve 2 minutes. I make an extremely dirty hit on you, you lie on the ice for the next year, have a siezure, need a stretcher to come take you off, I'm ejected from the game and suspended for the next year.
NHL needs to figure its shit out. Suspensions/Penalties should be handed out based on the original act, not the result of it...
i agree n3wb -- you can take the same hit on someone like, say, kevin bieksa, and he'll stand right back up, and there wouldn't even be a penalty call. but take out a soft player like horton, and it's a 4 game suspension. that's BS to me. this is just gonna make hockey into european football =(
Rome should've at most recieved a 2 gamer, I just don't like Rome as a player and our D is deep enough that we can fill his spot pretty easily. We just need Hammer back
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