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$2M is the max that another team can offer an RFA.
That was part of why it was a big "scandal" at the time - Bobby Clarke didn't make a "REASONABLE" offer to Kesler; he made pretty much the MAXIMUM offer... presumably a large part of that being simply a big "FU" to Nonis.
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At issue is what Kesler's inflated salary may do to affect future deals. Kesler, a 22-year-old American, scored 10 goals last season with the Canucks in a checking role. Though considered a prized prospect, the $1.9-million offer from the Flyers is considered high for a player of Kesler's stature.
Kesler received just more than $500,000 last season in base pay, with his salary officially listed at $722,000 by including a $200,000 signing bonus. The Canucks qualified Kesler at a $564,000 figure this summer.
Kind of funny how in a few short years of cap increases a 10 goal scorer making 1.5+ isn't uncommon yet then it was a big discussion point on keeping or dumping him at the time
$2M is the max that another team can offer an RFA.
Uh...you couldn't be farther from the truth
He made the $1.9M offer because it would only require a 2nd round pick as compensation. Any offer of $2M+ would require the Flyers to throw in a 1st rounder as well for compensation.
$1,000,001 to $2,000,000 - 2nd round pick
$2,000,001 to $3,000,000 - 1st & 3rd round pick
$3,000,001 to $4,000,000 - 1st, 2nd & 3rd round pick
$4,000,001 to $5,000,000 - 2x 1st round picks and a 2nd + 3rd round pick
$5,000,001+ - 4x 1st round picks
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I should've been more specific. I was asking if you were serious about Kesler not calling Vancouver home. He also reminds me of Linden, not the same personality, but he is all heart and I think he's going to be here a long time.
Fair enough. I don't feel the love between him and this city or country for that matter. He's American and can't blame him for that. Linden makes Vancouver his home even though he's from elsewhere. We all felt his pain when he was traded away and when he came back it just felt right for him to be here.
Kesler's style of play and even the way he skates and whatnot is so Linden. I even think he was mentored by Linden when he first came here. Actually a lot of players were mentored by Linden or looked up to him. That's why his jersey shines up there in the rafters.
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Why I wanted out: Bure finally lists reasons why he demanded trade from Vancouver
The Province
Wed Jan 20 1999
Page: A52 / FRONT
Section: Sports
Byline: Tony Gallagher
Column: Tony Gallagher
Dateline: NEW YORK
Source: The Province
NEW YORK -- Pavel Bure's reasons for leaving the Canucks began accumulating before he'd even arrived in Vancouver.
Upon arrival in New York to join the Florida Panthers after his Sunday trade from the Canucks, Bure finally sat down to outline his reasons for wanting to leave.
He was convinced to do so only because he wants Canucks fans to know his reasons had nothing to do with the city, the people or even the rain. In one discussion, he detailed years of pent-up frustration over the silence he's maintained. The litany of neglect from Canucks management seems almost too absurd for words.
For starters, he first asked to be traded in 1993, five years and three months ago. But by far the most significant reason for wanting to leave came when, he said, somebody in Vancouver management made up a story that Bure threatened to withdraw his services during the '94 playoff run to the Cup final.
``Somebody from management planted that story,'' said Bure.
``They said I threatened not to play and it really pissed me off.
``It's a lie,'' said Bure with steel in his eyes. ``I don't want to say who did it because I don't want to say what I don't know. But I know one thing: I was promised to be traded. The contract was done before the playoffs even started. Ron (Bure's former agent Salcer) agreed with Pat (former GM Quinn) before Calgary. But the story was put out all over and by the time it was denied by Pat Quinn and everybody else, it was too late. It looked like a cover-up.''
While Bure would in no way even indicate whom he thought it might be, reason would indicate it was either then-acting assistant GM George McPhee or then-owner Arthur Griffiths. Quinn has indicated to some insiders he was led to believe Bure had threatened to withdraw his services by ``my guy'' but now says privately and publicly it never happened.
``At that point I just decided to get out for good,'' said Bure.
``It's just not the way you should do business.''
While it might be best to outline Bure's reasons for leaving in order of significance, we have chosen to start from the beginning in order to convey the cumulative effect. And so best to begin when he first left Russia and landed in L.A., where he stayed at Salcer's house.
n ``I was down there for two weeks before (Canucks management) showed up,'' Bure said. ``It was really hard. I thought they'd be waiting for me when I got there but there was nobody. I'd heard all this about how badly they wanted me and then I'm down there wondering what's going on. Then they finally send down Brian (Burke). We have a quick lunch and then it's another 10 days before they have me fly to San Jose to meet the rest of the guys.''
The club was waiting to settle a court case with the Russian Red Army team that had Bure under contract. The Canucks ended up buying out those rights for $250,000. Bure had to chip in $50,000 of it out of his first contract to pay off the Russians.
n ``In my first year they admitted my first contract ($600,000 Cdn) was not enough, but when we went to talk about it they said, `Hold on, you have to play a little bit more. You have to prove it to us'.''
This started a long, torturous period of stonewalling by the Canucks on a new deal, which led to Bure's first request to be traded in November of 1993.
n After 17 months of negotiation, a five-year, $14.7-million contract -- almost identical to the ones Sergei Fedorov and Alex Mogilny were signing in Detroit and Buffalo at the time -- was agreed upon.
Or at least Bure thought.
When he sat down to sign it, he found the Canucks had put everything in Canadian funds when in fact Fedorov and Mogilny were getting U.S. funds. No NHL star ever signs a Canadian-funds deal and the Canucks knew this.
``I was really happy with that contract. I would have been happy to sign that deal (in U.S. dollars). But then I finished the season with another 60 goals. And the market was going up.''
n ``About two months later, when I was starting slowly, they (most likely McPhee) told me, `You were lucky to get 60 goals,' and that I would never do it again. They told me I'd be lucky to get 30 again. I told them, `Forget about the contract, just trade me. You don't trust me, just trade me.' ''
n ``After that they said, `Sorry, let's start a whole new relationship.' But then (before he'd even signed the new contract) I'm already hearing how I threatened not to play in the playoffs.''
n When a $25-million-US, five-year deal with staggering bonuses was finally agreed upon before the '94 playoffs, it was executed just before Game 3 of the final against the Rangers in Vancouver. Quinn apparently was not present at the signing. Bure refused to sign without Quinn there. Quinn was told of this and came in.
``I just felt like he didn't want to give me that contract and I really didn't want the contract.
``I asked for a trade, don't give me a contract! Ronnie said to sign the contract, but I had asked for a trade before that.''
n ``Part of the signing bonus was due on execution of the contract, but they were three months late. I didn't get any money until
September.''
n ``I specifically asked Ron to put in (the new deal) that I was to get paid (if there was a lockout) because I thought there probably would be one. And the contract is pretty clear that I was to get paid.
``But they refused.''
Bure remained out of training camp after the lockout for five days, but was talked into going back after the Canucks agreed to negotiate. Quinn claimed he was told by the league not to pay guaranteed contracts until it was settled for all NHL players. But the issue dragged on and on and Bure became increasingly steamed.
``I didn't want to sue the team. I
didn't think it would be proper to sue the team you were playing for.''
Bure was owed $1.7 million US under the terms of the deal, but after agent Mike Gillis became his agent, he managed to get $1 million of it paid.
``I finally got part of that money three years later.''
n Before last season Bure met with Quinn and said that after his two seasons of injury maybe he would get an extra push if he was to be traded. Quinn told him he didn't want to trade him, but if that's what he wanted, he would.
Quinn then asked him to get playing well so the club could get market value for him, but 20 games into the season Quinn was fired.
``Every time I asked to be traded, they always agreed to. Nobody ever said, `We're not going to trade you.' But they always lied. They never did.''
n Enter Mike Keenan. It was at this point Bure said he reconsidered the request quietly to himself because he liked the way Iron Mike was running the show. He was playing 27 or 28 minutes a night and loved it. But he decided there had been too much water under the bridge to turn back.
``I can tell you honestly I had no problem with Mike whatsoever and I loved to play for him. He was the coach and general manager at that time and I had 39 goals and a big bonus for 50. He called me in the office and said, `Listen, don't worry about 50 goals. I'll get you 50. I'll help you to do it.' And he was the general manager. I really like Mike.
He claims Keenan's style didn't bother him much and shrugged off the ``you little suck'' name-calling incident the coach engaged in during a game in Ottawa last season.
``That didn't bother me,'' Bure said.
``I played for (Viktor) Tikhonov so that was nothing.''
However Keenan did trade his friend Gino Odjick, which was by this time, the icing on the icing of the cake.
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Listening to Tony G.
Canucks negotiate for Bure to get out of the Red Army CONTRACT-Canucks insist Pavel pay 50k of the buyout from Red Army.
Pavel goes to renegotiate-five years for 14.7 million-goes to sign it and the CANUCKS try to sign him to Canadian funds.
Pavel keeps playing but salaries keep going up ,too.
Pavel says-you don't respect me-trade me.
They settle on 25 million over five million-3.6 million signing bonus.
Lockout comes and Pavel is owed 1.7 million and the Canucks refuse to pay it.
Nothing but a series of broken promises and attempts to screw him financially.
He asked to get out for five years,for very good reasons,but put his head down and played.
The CANUCKS just screwed him.
Linden and Burke were the only ones that didn't like him.
The management also told Bure his 60 goal season was a fluke and he'll be lucky to get 30 again.
Nazzy is now the General Manager of Modo Hockey
Rick Dhaliwal Dec 16, 2010 09:00:09 AMVANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - Just five days after having his number 19 jersey retired in Vancouver by the Canucks at Rogers Arena, Markus Naslund flew back to Sweden and today was named the new general manager of Modo Hockey.
Modo Hockey is a professional ice hockey club in Örnsköldsvik, Sweden. The club plays in Sweden's premier ice hockey league.
Naslund says, "I know how much is needed to run such a club. This is a task that I really look forward to. I hope the experience I have collected over the years to contribute to something good."
"Mark feels like the perfect person for this job," says Goran Ericson, President Modo Hockey. Ericson also believes "Mark is an amazing person with great integrity. His background in hockey is a great resume."
After his retirement from the National Hockey League, Naslund had hinted that he wanted to stay in the game of hockey in a management role.
Linden and Burke were the only ones that didn't like him.
Hang on a sec - where in the interview does it say this?
Imagine they did retire Bure's number. Not only would we wonder if Bure would actually show up or not, but there would be no management on the ice to participate in the ceremony!
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^You could probably sense that they wanted to move back here from Naslund.. He kept on reiterating the fact that his kids were born here, grew up here, and doesn't know what the future hold. He calls this place home.
But he also loves the Modo hockey club, and it's his opportunity to stay in the game. I would've done the same.
Alot of people, canuck fans especially, want developement to happen over night. it happend for the first few years of the sedins, everyone wanted them out of here as they were stuck cycling in the corners and 'would never learn how to score'. it happend with kesler in his first couple years, he had all the speed and hockey sence in the world but no hands. and it happened 2 months ago with cody hodgeson.
i remember when clarke threw out the offer sheet, alot of people thought it was silly to match, $1.9 for a $1m player. thank god Nonis made the right move. kesler got in shit from the PA when he came out with the statement saying people need to take a hometown discount. and then he turned around and signed a pretty substantial contract at the time. but just you wait, 5mil will be a steal for him pretty soon, and hes here for a while and has a NTC coming into effect in 2012. hes very much a canuck. and will wear the C before his career here is over.
its games like these I wish Kes got the C. He does everything out there...true swiss army knife
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The Phoenix Coyotes got bad news before their game against the New York Rangers on Thursday night. Starting goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov came down with a case of the flu, leaving the team no time to call up a goaltender from their system who could get to Madison Square Garden for the 7 p.m. game.
So the Coyotes signed Tom Fenton, who works in the community relations department at Manhattanville College in Purchase, N.Y., to a pro contract just hours before Thursday's game.
The Coyotes only became aware of Bryzgalov's illness after the the team meal Thursday afternoon. They considered signing goaltending coach Sean Burke, a longtime NHL goaltender, but he would have had to spend 24 hours on waivers first.
Fenton played four years of ice hockey at American International College in Springfield, Mass. The native of Sarnia, Ontario, had a 1-12-1 record, a 3.60 goals-against average and .886 save percentage during his senior season of 2008-09.
It was also the last season Fenton played organized hockey.
The 26-year-old Fenton will back up Jason LaBarbera and probably won't see the ice unless LaBarbera suffers a serious injury.
The Washington Capitals went through something similar in December 2008 when starter Jose Theodore suffered a hip flexor injury and there wasn't enough time to get Semyon Varlamov to the rink from Hershey to back up Brent Johnson.
So Brett Leonhardt, a producer for the team's Web site, dressed as the backup and took warm-ups before the Caps' game with the Ottawa Senators. Leonhardt was eventually replaced on the bench by Varlamov midway through the first period.
Fenton won't have that luxury Thursday, as he's expected to remain on the bench through the game.
The Phoenix Coyotes got bad news before their game against the New York Rangers on Thursday night. Starting goaltender Ilya Bryzgalov came down with a case of the flu, leaving the team no time to call up a goaltender from their system who could get to Madison Square Garden for the 7 p.m. game.
So the Coyotes signed Tom Fenton, who works in the community relations department at Manhattanville College in Purchase, N.Y., to a pro contract just hours before Thursday's game.
The Coyotes only became aware of Bryzgalov's illness after the the team meal Thursday afternoon. They considered signing goaltending coach Sean Burke, a longtime NHL goaltender, but he would have had to spend 24 hours on waivers first.
Fenton played four years of ice hockey at American International College in Springfield, Mass. The native of Sarnia, Ontario, had a 1-12-1 record, a 3.60 goals-against average and .886 save percentage during his senior season of 2008-09.
It was also the last season Fenton played organized hockey.
The 26-year-old Fenton will back up Jason LaBarbera and probably won't see the ice unless LaBarbera suffers a serious injury.
The Washington Capitals went through something similar in December 2008 when starter Jose Theodore suffered a hip flexor injury and there wasn't enough time to get Semyon Varlamov to the rink from Hershey to back up Brent Johnson.
So Brett Leonhardt, a producer for the team's Web site, dressed as the backup and took warm-ups before the Caps' game with the Ottawa Senators. Leonhardt was eventually replaced on the bench by Varlamov midway through the first period.
Fenton won't have that luxury Thursday, as he's expected to remain on the bench through the game.
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