The Official 2010/2011 Canucks Thread

[iwantaskyline]

A. Rome 15:46
K. Ballard 14:31

Fail once again, AV.

[Hondaracer]

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!

[murd0c]

I'm happy in a way. At least I have Howard and Zetterberg in my hockey pool and by both of them having the night they did will bump me into first place($900 goes to first at the end of the year )

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by jigga250

Ummm.....if he was HAVING to steal a game more than once a month, I'd be worried.

No goalie "steals" more than a few games/year, I'm not sure what you're expecting.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to make those 2 saves that he let in - they are WWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK , espeically so for a 7 million dollar goalie.

Seriously Luongo fans need to wake up and see him for what he is - a good goalie that occasionally makes spectacular saves but let in too many softies for the amount of money he's making.

[Not really racist!]

BRB. Time to check CDC for people asking to get rid of LU

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!

and YOU know what you're talking about? we all have equal rights to voice our opinions.

His GAA and save % are horrible for an "elite" goalie. If he didn't have the team that he has now in front of him, he'd be at the bottom of the stats list.

Why can't people see through this? He's a good goalie that plays for a damn good team right now but AT THIS MOMENT he is not playing up to his reputation.

Are you seriously telling me that those 2 softies he let in tonight weren't his fault? We could've won this in regulation buddy.

[tonyzoomzoom]

it's not our goalie that 9-1-2, it's the entire team that is 9-1-2 when Lu was in net. In how many of those wins did he make a difference?

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

anyone who says "OMG Lu 10 Million"

you have no idea what your talking about and unless your last name is Aqualini, the 10 million figure means nothing to you as a fan.

Maybe we should trade Lu for Horcoff, we only have to pay him $200,000 more, and i'm sure his WHOPPING 15 points could really help us win games like tonight

not to mention our shit goalie only is what? 9-1-2 in his last 12? fuck, horrible

Also Zetterbergs a nobody, how can such a shitty player score on such a small opening? weird!

Those goals went in not because of Zetterberg's awesome skill but Luongo's poor positioning.

[Bonjour43MA]

The OT goal he let in was PISS POOR. He had time to move over and set up, and STILL let it in.

You can see the guys hanging their heads after that one.... THAT WAS BRUTAL FOR AN "ELITE" GOALIE.

YES I'M MAD. We won this one... but Lu let it go the other way single-handedly

[Not really racist!]

Technically you could bitch at Ehrhoff too for not clearing the puck when he had time and space but the puck was passed into his skates......

[The Hype]

Originally Posted by tonyzoomzoom

it's not our goalie that 9-1-2, it's the entire team that is 9-1-2 when Lu was in net. In how many of those wins did he make a difference?

You also have to take into account the teams they played in those last 12 games. They really only had maybe 4 quality opponents.

Also, of course the amount of money they're making is important to us. If the Canucks paid Luongo what he was really worth they'd have extra money to invest in players that can make up for his inadequacies.

[dlo]

canuck's lost is not in vain, i am not first in my fantasy league :')

[KO7]

Originally Posted by Not really racist!

I'd be fucking going ballistic and go riot if this was game 7 of the Conf finals.

Thank god it ain't, next game guys, next game lets steamroll the jackets

If that were game 7 of the Conf Finals, lawlongo would be DONE in Vancouver. So would AV too for putting Tanner effin Glass on a crucial PK late in the game.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by Bonjour43MA

and YOU know what you're talking about? we all have equal rights to voice our opinions.

His GAA and save % are horrible for an "elite" goalie. If he didn't have the team that he has now in front of him, he'd be at the bottom of the stats list.

Why can't people see through this? He's a good goalie that plays for a damn good team right now but AT THIS MOMENT he is not playing to his reputation.

Are you seriously telling me that those 2 softies he let in tonight weren't his fault? We could've won this in regulation buddy.

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

EDIT* and this goes for everyone saying "what if" we didnt have Luongo's Salary, if we were paying a new magical goalie 2.5-3 million which is below average for a starter, who exactly would push us over the edge for that extra 2?

if you really want to actually break down tonights game, you could also attribute one of the wings PP goals to Kesler when he did not clear the puck on that spin-o-rama attempt to get it on his forehand and they scored shortly after, or the OT goal on edler batting the puck with his hand right onto Zetterbergs stick, or even Ehroff's inability to bury the puck into an empty net..

if we had won, no one would be talking about Luongo, and this game was so evenly matched it was basically a coin flip, yet there's panic lol.. pathetic

I would not argue this was a strong game, it was probably the oposite, but to argue his value based on one "noticeable" game is idiotic

[Noir]

I'm going to have to agree with the Luongo criticism on this one. Good goalie but had a mediocre night.

Goal 3 was weak backhander by Zetterburg on an already overly limited angle.

Goal 4 was PP goal which he could've done better. Luongo never recovered for the Lidstrom rebound. Just went down for the first shot and stayed down. Never bothered to get up to reset or at least a hailmary lateral to Lidstrom.

(still had a high probability of it going in but the effort would've been appreciated) Still, should've been our 2 points had it not been for the above and we wouldn't even be discussing the OT goal.



Anyways, it's only 1 game for me and it's nothing to lose sleep over - that is, unless we get another stretch of complacency again.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

EDIT* and this goes for everyone saying "what if" we didnt have Luongo's Salary, if we were paying a new magical goalie 2.5-3 million which is below average for a starter, who exactly would push us over the edge for that extra 2?

if you really want to actually break down tonights game, you could also attribute one of the wings PP goals to Kesler when he did not clear the puck on that spin-o-rama attempt to get it on his forehand and they scored shortly after, or the OT goal on edler batting the puck with his hand right onto Zetterbergs stick, or even Ehroff's inability to bury the puck into an empty net..

if we had won, no one would be talking about Luongo, and this game was so evenly matched it was basically a coin flip, yet there's panic lol.. pathetic

It's only $5.3M because it's in exchange for a 12 year term; meaning he'll still be occupying that much cap space well into his late 30's and early 40's.

Since that's the only reason, there's no sense tip-toeing around that Luongo himself, the franchise, and everyone else thinks he's an $8M - $10M goalie. He would never sign for $5M in any other circumstances.


edit:

BTW, cap does matter not in signing an "elite sniper" like you exampled, but considering how close we are to the cap - Hamhuis on $4.5 & Ballard @ $4.2, we may stand to lose Erhoff or Edler (later on down the road).


In which case is only going to hurt Luongo more if his defense thins out. Unless, he actually does perform to the value of his cap space (and not need decent defense to pad his performance), which is not entirely an unreasonable perspective point.

[Bonjour43MA]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

in terms of the cap, yea i do know what i'm talking about because the only number that matters to fans is CAP HIT, not yearly salary.. that has absolutely nothing to do a fan's opinion of him based on salary.

he makes 5.33 million, argue that value, not whatever random number between 4 and 10 comes to your fingers.

if at 5.33 he is as horrible as you say, what would you do to improve this situation? pay Cory 2.5-3 to be a starter and use that addition 2 million to sign an "Elite sniper" etc. etc.?

please elaborate on what it is we should do instead of having Luongo in a hypothetical world

The amount of money he makes has EVERYTHING to do with his performance - he's paid to perform at a certain level so if he doesn't meet that expectation then he is OVERPAID. This is simple logic so I don't see how you can argue with this.

5.33 million, 7 million, 10 million - it doesn't matter. The point is that he's being paid a certain amount to perform at a certain level - and he's NOT DOING THAT. You can be an accountant and be specific with the amount but the end result is the same.

I don't know WHAT I'd do - he's signed a contract already and our team is good enough to cover his ass for the time being, but how long will that last, and how many BIG games could we have won if he didn't fail so badly? The last 2 playoff elimination games were good testaments for his ability to be the elite goalie that he's meant to be, which he has failed to do, TWO YEARS in a row.

Look, like I said before, I'm not saying he's a piece of shit goalie and we need to get rid of him - I'm just frustrated that he's not performing at a level that he needs to be, and is making silly mistakes that end up costing us the game. He's a good/above average goalie that plays behind a very strong team at the moment, which covers up a lot of his weaknesses in his game that need to be fixed/changed.

I remember his 1st and 2nd year here that he would make 99% of the saves you'd expect him to make, and was usually beaten by shots that were almost impossible to save. He occasionally had some weak ones but I didn't care because every goalie goes through a few bad games throughout the season. NOW... it's like every other game or every other 2 games he pulls a stinker, and I'm beginning to feel less secured when he's in the net - that alone should say something about how the fans perceive him as our starting goalie.

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by Noir

It's only $5.3M because it's in exchange for a 12 year term; meaning he'll still be occupying that much cap space well into his late 30's and early 40's.

Since that's the only reason, there's no sense tip-toeing around that Luongo himself, the franchise, and everyone else thinks he's an $8M - $10M goalie. He would never sign for $5M in any other circumstances.


edit:

BTW, cap does matter not in signing an "elite sniper" like you exampled, but considering how close we are to the cap - Hamhuis on $4.5, we may stand to lose Edler or Erhoff.


In which case is only going to hurt Luongo more if his defense thins out. Unless, he actually does perform to the value of his cap space (and not need decent defense to pad his performance), which is not entirely an unreasonable perspective point.

In 5 years the Canucks have a opt out clause where they can trade Luongo if need be. Not saying they will but in a few years if they choose to go in a different direction in goal that is an option. Poor game tonight by him but he'll bounce back. I agree with the criticism that he has not lived up to his contract the past few years but in the grand scope of things, how well he plays in this years playoffs will determine how well this season is for him.

[dbaz]

technically you could say niedermeyer goal in 06? was his fault too. ill give him the benefit of the doubt though because he played good those 2 series

[chouchou]

Goddamn reeelaxx. Where's the christmas spirit, lighten up a little. it's not the end of the world!
It was a good fucking game, great atmosphere, and great hockey. best game i've seen in awhile, though we didn't end up on top. This is what games are meant to be like. Luongo's human, he's bound to make mistakes. He played like shit, but he'll make the necessary changes and move on. If he lingers over this loss like most of us, then how will one ever improve?
Sure, we should be allowed to expect more from the amount we pay him. but luckily he's making these errors now, and can correct them when it really counts. We need to look past this and support the players that we have in all they can do. I'm sure Luongo's not purposely letting these shit goals in.

you win some, you lose some. can't have em all. yes we can point fingers and criticize all we want, but luongo (as well as others) knows he played like shit. he will bounce back, and then the haters will have nothing to say.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by iwantaskyline

In 5 years the Canucks have a opt out clause where they can trade Luongo if need be. Not saying they will but in a few years if they choose to go in a different direction in goal that is an option. Poor game tonight by him but he'll bounce back. I agree with the criticism that he has not lived up to his contract the past few years but in the grand scope of things, how well he plays in this years playoffs will determine how well this season is for him.

But like Hondaracer, you can't bank on such benefits that's contingent on other things.

In your example: Contingent on another team wanting his $5M + contract until he's 42. (at at 5 years down the road, Luongo will be 36) So I'm not sure how attractive that trade bait will be.

In Hondaracer's hopes: Contingent that he'll retire before his contract expiry and forfeit the remaining few million dollars.

[mb_]

Datsyuk out 4 weeks with a broken hand, ouch

[shawn79]

Luongo superstar statistics seems to be falling every year since arriving in Vancouver.

The best Roberto Luongo we have seen was in the playoffs series against Dallas.

[rsx]

It looked like the puck was fluttering, it could've dipped. oh well. Only Zetterberg or premier players can score like that anyway.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by chouchou

Goddamn reeelaxx. Where's the christmas spirit, lighten up a little. it's not the end of the world!
It was a good fucking game, great atmosphere, and great hockey. best game i've seen in awhile, though we didn't end up on top. This is what games are meant to be like. Luongo's human, he's bound to make mistakes. He played like shit, but he'll make the necessary changes and move on. If he lingers over this loss like most of us, then how will one ever improve?
Sure, we should be allowed to expect more from the amount we pay him. but luckily he's making these errors now, and can correct them when it really counts. We need to look past this and support the players that we have in all they can do. I'm sure Luongo's not purposely letting these shit goals in.

you win some, you lose some. can't have em all. yes we can point fingers and criticize all we want, but luongo (as well as others) knows he played like shit. he will bounce back, and then the haters will have nothing to say.

Uhhhh,

Like all games, this is just a game review. Where we talk about the good and the bads of the game. No one's getting down on the team.

When we win, the pros will heavily out weigh the cons, and rightfully so vice-versa on losses.




This is not directed to you (Chouchou) but to some other fans:
Why the hell do some people view any negative observation as an anti-Canuck sentiment? Should the Canucks be immune to "objective" game reviews?


I mean, in a positive note I think Samuellson played well today despite having played his way to the grinding lines as of recent. But it can't be helped that the bigger topic is goaltending. (I mean, some days it'll be Alberts, some days it'll be the twins (not producing), and just like the rest, today is Luongo) Just take it as a 1 game review/de-brief.