The Official 2010/2011 Canucks Thread

[RiceIntegraRS]

so whose right here? or we both wrong?

[dbaz]

Edlers injury does not automatically take 3.5mil off cap. Canucks were short some say anywhere from 700,000-1.3mil before Salo could come back. Now with Edler missing the rest of the regular season that salary he has left on the season will go on LTIR meaning it adds up above 3.5mil with all the other LTIR injuries.

Originally Posted by RiceIntegraRS

so whose right here? or we both wrong?

not him for sure, being injured 3/4 into the season doesn't allow someones full salary to come off the books like he said.

[iwantaskyline]

Basically in order for the Canucks to activate Salo, what they had to do was clear a "3.5 million dollar salary". Edler's cap hit is 3.5 and they are basically replacing that 3.5 with Salo's 3.5.

Obviously Edler has played most of the season so he has already been paid half of the 3.5. But to add Salo a cap hit of 3.5 (the full season cap hit) had to be removed.

A salary is only pro-rated if a player signs mid season and only plays half or however many games.

[Tim Budong]

the fact that we are having the debate is funny, becuz it puts into perspective that even the fucking GMs dont quite fully get it. ie. DARYL SUTTER..

[PiuYi]

jarko ruutu is coming back?

[orange7]

can't blame kessel for wanting to be trade out of toronto.

pretty sure he was hinting that

[dbaz]

From all the sites Ive read about ltir the salary its when he was injured 3.5/82 x however many games he missed goes towards ltir, the remainder against the cap. Same for edler and bolduc, salary/82 x amount of games played goes against cap rest goes on ltir. the amount totaling on ltir is the amount you can go over what your team's salary was at the beginning of the year. So basically yes canucks needed 3.5million on the ltir to bring back Salo or close to it and then minor moves but they didnt specifically need one player with a vap hit of 3.5million to go on. Whatever though only Bettman "knows" I guess lol

[raygunpk]

There is no prorating with players on LTIR, and there are no cap savings.
If Salo comes off LTIR his cap hit is in full because THERE ARE NO CAP SAVINGS.

[Sentinel]

Damn Stamkos got 4pts today. Some catching up for Daniel to do now. 3pts back from Stamkos now.

[iwantaskyline]

Originally Posted by raygunpk

There is no prorating with players on LTIR, and there are no cap savings.
If Salo comes off LTIR his cap hit is in full because THERE ARE NO CAP SAVINGS.

Exactly.

[orange7]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/?bcpid=11112...d=779681676001


just watched the interview.

kessel wants a change.

he sounds so sad.

[4chinit]

Its not as simple as just coming off the LTIR and getting no cap relief, I don't claim to know how the cap works very well, but capgeek does attempt to explain it. It does depend on the amount of time the player is out for.

http://www.capgeek.com/FAQ.php

Teams receive cap relief when a player is considered to have a "bona-fide long-term injury" — injuries that cause a player to miss at least 10 games or 24 days. This is one of the most commonly misunderstood aspects of the CBA.

Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team's overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player's salary pushes the team's cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap, not the entire amount of the injured player's salary.

There is no designation of "replacement players" and performance bonuses are not used in the calculation of LTIR relief.

To further explain this, take the concept of a bank account from 'How is cap space calculated during the season?' The team continues to spend its daily "deposit" once a player goes on LTIR, even when it calls up a replacement or multiple replacements. But any day its "payroll room" drops below zero, the team effectively receives an LTIR "credit" to cover the difference.

Example: Team A starts 2009-10 with a healthy 23-man roster. If no moves are made all season, that roster would finish the season with a final cap payroll of $56,600,000 — $200,000 below the $56,800,000 upper limit.

Take the bank account example from "How is cap space calculated during the season?" question in this FAQ. For each of the first 10 days, the team uses $293,264 of its $294,300 deposit. That adds up to $2,932,640 of the $2,943,000 that has been "deposited," meaning $10,360 is sitting in the bank for future use, if required.

* On Day 10, Player 1, with a $1,000,000 cap hit, sustains a long-term injury.
* On Day 11, Player 1 is placed on long-term injured reserve.
* On Day 11, Player 2, with a $700,000 cap hit, is recalled from the minors.
* As a result, Team A's cap payroll on Day 11 has risen to $296,890, because the daily cap hits of Player 1 and Player 2 must be included in the total.
* Although Team A only has a daily deposit of $294,300 on Day 11, it has $10,360 banked for future use, or $304,660 total.
* At the end of Day 11, Team A is left with $7,770 banked [$294,300 + $10,360 ] - $296,890. No LTIR relief is required.
* At the end of Day 12, Team A is left with $5,180 banked [$294,300 + $7,770] - $296,890. No LTIR relief is required.
* At the end of Day 13, Team A is left with $2,590 banked [$294,300 + $5,180] - $296,890. No LTIR relief is required.
* At the end of Day 14, Team A is left with no money banked [$294,300 + $2,590] - $296,890. No LTIR relief is required.
* At the end of Day 15, Team A gets its $294,300 "deposit," but has no banked money, and has a cap payroll of $296,890 that day.
* As long as the excess, $2,590 [$294,300 - $296,890], is less than Player 1's daily cap hit [$5,181], the team receives an LTIR credit. If the excess were to exceed Player 1's daily cap hit, another player would need to be placed on LTIR or Team A would need to demote a player or make another transaction to be cap compliant.
* If Player 1 stayed on LTIR all season and no other moves were made, Team A would receive LTIR relief of $2,590 per day, for each remaining day, and would finish each day, and the season, with $0 in cap space. Their LTIR credit would be $463,610 [179 x $2,590], because they only started earning LTIR credits on Day 15.

from what i hear from twitterverse, salo can come back without putting the nucks over the cap, even with elder back.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Don't misinterpret a frustrated Kessel. He doesn't want out from #Leafs. He did however throw Wilson under bus with "we don't talk" comment less than a minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry®

kypers twitter

“It’s not happening here (on the line with Bozak), so maybe it’s time for a change,” a clearly frustrated Kessel said.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey...ing-slump?bn=1

[MG1]

So, anyone go to the Canucks Open Practice today?

[shawn79]

burke looks dumb trading for kessel right now lulz

[tonyzoomzoom]

Burke was dumb giving away two first rounders for kessel, knowing full well that the club was going to be in rebuilding mode for quite some time.

[CRS]

Originally Posted by shawn79

burke looks dumb trading for kessel right now lulz

Originally Posted by tonyzoomzoom

Burke was dumb giving away two first rounders for kessel, knowing full well that the club was going to be in rebuilding mode for quite some time.

This.

It was dumb of Burke to think Kessel was a guy you can build around. The real reason why he had so many points/goals the previous year was because Boston had the likes of Marc Savard feeding him the puck. Without an amazing play maker like Savard, Kessel will not be the spectacular player people saw in Boston.

In Toronto, he has no one to play with. No centre that can feed him the puck and no one to set him up. This results in a player who tries to be offensive but cannot due to the lack of support. Kessel was way overhyped and so they paid a King's ransom for him and it was a dumb move by Burke. Boston is now laughing their way to the bank with the 1st round picks. First in Seguin and you can only imagine it will be a top 5 pick in this year's draft.

Regardless, it seems like Burke is at a fork in the road. He has to either choose Kessel or Wilson. If he trades Kessel, he'll look like a complete fool. It seems like he has little recourse but to fire Wilson.

[invader]

How many years does Burke have left on his contract? I doubt hes getting an extension.

[quasi]

Originally Posted by invader

How many years does Burke have left on his contract? I doubt hes getting an extension.

3 more years and I also doubt he'll get an extension. He'll probably lose his job a year short of when they start turning it around.

[Mike Oxbig]

the only life for the maple leaf of rebuilding is trading kaberle for ANY 1st round pick and hope for top prospect falls at the draft (like fowler and gromley in 2010)

[Not really racist!]

Pretty happy for Emery, Ducks signed him

Emery signs two-way contract with Ducks

Looking to bolster their goaltending depth, the Anaheim Ducks have signed Ray Emery to a one-year, two-way contract. Terms of the deal were not released, but TSN reported the contract would pay Emery $500,000 in the NHL and $105,000 in the AHL.

Emery hasn't played since suffering a serious hip injury with the Philadelphia Flyers last season. He had surgery in April 2010 to repair the condition, called avascular necrosis, which saw the near-complete degradation of the top of the ball in his hip joint. It's the same injury that derailed and subsequently ended the athletic career of two-sport star Bo Jackson.

Emery has to clear waivers, and if he remains with the Ducks, they will assign him to their American Hockey League team, the Syracuse Crunch. The waiver process started Monday at noon ET, and concludes Tuesday at noon ET.

"Ray Emery has been a solid NHL netminder for several years and is only 28 years old," said Ducks Executive Vice President/General Manager Bob Murray. "We are going to give him a chance to go to Syracuse and establish himself again. He's worked hard to get back into shape and we are looking forward to seeing what he can do."

The Ducks could use a veteran backup to All-Star Jonas Hiller. Hiller was held out of Saturday's game against the Avalanche after complaining of fatigue and light-headedness. He's second in the League in games played (47) and shots faced (1,472), and first in saves (1,361). Curtis McElhinney started Saturday, with Timo Pielmeier recalled from Elmira of the ECHL to serve as the backup.

Emery has been on the ice since the fall, with the hope that he could resume a hockey career at some point.

"This is something I love to do and I don't want to take it for granted," Emery told ESPN.com in an October interview. "You can look at this as a bad thing or you can look at it as a chance to really realize that you should give it all you got because it's not over yet. Give it your best to get back at it."

He spent the 2008-09 season playing in Russia, and was on his way to a strong season with the Flyers prior to his injury. He was 16-11-1 with a 2.64 goals-against average and .905 save percentage in 29 games.

In six NHL seasons with the Ottawa Senators and Flyers, Emery is 87-51-15 with a 2.70 goals-against average and .907 save percentage. He backstopped the Senators to the 2007 Stanley Cup Final.

[invader]

Hmm probably has to conform to NHL rules now regarding his mask
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[Expresso]

Originally Posted by invader

Hmm probably has to conform to NHL rules now regarding his mask
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what rule is this?

[sunny_j]

i just got tickets for todays game. i want to pick up a jersey today but cant decide if i want h.sedin, kesler or hamhuis

[quasi]

I'd go with Kesler, he has lots of years left on his contract and still hasn't peaked yet.