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Hondaracer · 03-10-2011, 09:32 AM

If there is one argument to be made with all of this, i will agree that consistancy is the main thing in question
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RRxtar · 03-10-2011, 09:40 AM

Why do you guys keep using the reasoning that "things happen very fast in the NHL and you cant think fast enough to make decisions"

ITS PRO HOCKEY! EVERYTHING HAPPENS FAST ALL THE TIME. if you cant think fast enough to keep up, or have split second spacial awareness, you arent good enough for pro hockey. If guys can spot and tip a 100mph slap shot thru a screen and purposely put the puck over the goalies blocker, I think they know whats going on every split second of every minute of the game. even at the most rec level of a sports league, you've got a pretty good idea of whats going on.

You know how sometimes you get a feeling like everything slowed down and you can make thoughs super quick, pro athletes live that in their sport.

I dont think he had intent to break his neck. But I have no doubt he knew he was giving him the extra shove rubbing him along the boards when he knew he was getting beat.

7seven · 03-10-2011, 09:49 AM

Ok, police involvement is just idiotic

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Montreal police launched an investigation Thursday into this week's devastating hockey hit on Montreal Canadiens forward Max Pacioretty.

The investigation follows a recommendation from Quebec's director of criminal and penal prosecutions to the provincial department of public safety look into whether Tuesday night's hit, during a game in Montreal between the Canadiens and the Boston Bruins, could be considered criminal.

"Many people were questioning the possibility that this gesture might be criminal," prosecutions spokeswoman Martine Berube said of the reasons behind the chief Crown prosecutor's move. "At this moment, we asked to see if there is evidence of a crime being committed, so we are just at the first step."

The check, by Boston Bruins defenceman Zdeno Chara, knocked the 22-year-old Pacioretty unconscious, fractured his fourth cerebral vertebra and resulted in a severe concussion. He remained in hospital Thursday morning.

Chara's checked Pacioretty into the stanchion, which divides the players' benches, a brutal high-speed collision that saw the Canadiens' player's body twist then crumple to the ice. Images of the hit have replayed constantly since Tuesday night on TV sportscasts and news shows.

Montreal police said Thursday that they had received a call from the ministry of public safety and would be investigating the hit.

"We are trying to understand exactly how it is going to happen," said Olivier Lapointe, a spokesman for the Montreal police.

The director of criminal and penal prosecution wasn't the only person calling for an investigation.

Police in Montreal said they received several 911 calls from the public demanding an investigation into the hit.

While there has been no indication of charges yet in the incident, there is legal precedent for charges stemming on-ice actions in the NHL.

Former Boston Bruins player Marty McSorley was criminally charged and eventually convicted of assault with a weapon after using his stick to club the Vancouver Canucks' Donald Brashear in the side of his head in 2000. He was given a conditional discharge, meaning he has no criminal record.

Also in Vancouver, Todd Bertuzzi, a Canucks forward, pleaded guilty to assault in 2004. Bertuzzi was criminally charged after he high-profile on-ice sucker-punch of Steven Moore of the Colorado Avalanche.

Moore suffered three broken vertebrae in his neck and a concussion. He has not played hockey since and has launched a civil suit against Bertuzzi and the Vancouver Canucks, which has yet to go to trial.

There is also a precedent for criminal charges being laid in connection with traumatic injuries sustained on the ice in Quebec. Last October, former Quebec Major Junior Hockey League forward Patrice Cormier pleaded guilty to a charge of assault causing bodily harm and received an unconditional discharge after delivering a vicious hit to the head of Quebec Remparts defenceman Mikael Tam. Tam suffered brain trauma.

It was the same sentence handed down to son of former Montreal Canadiens goaltender Patrick Roy, Jonathan Roy, who pleaded guilty to an assault charge in 2009 after pounding rival goalie Bobby Nadeau during a hockey brawl in March 2008.

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MG1 · 03-10-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RRxtar

ITS PRO HOCKEY! EVERYTHING HAPPENS FAST ALL THE TIME.

Like going down the track at 250 MPH!!!

Tipping the puck - most of the time it is an attempt - good ones, if you're at that level. Sometimes it works and the puck goes in. If players were that good at tipping the puck in, the score would be much higher. NHL goalies, they have amazing reaction times and they can follow the puck a lot better than any amateur goalie, but yet they get scored on.

They're human........... that's why you see crashes on the track, people getting injured, etc.

The game is so much faster nowadays - could be because of the improvement in equipment or other factors. I also believe players take bigger risks in today's game. They play at the brink of their......... can't find the right words. Anyway, you can slow the replay and say, "Wow, did you see that? His eyes were........". Analyze till the crows come home. The incident was tragic, but what's next? Slow the play down and play less aggressive and with less passion?

Just saiyan..............

Hondaracer · 03-10-2011, 09:57 AM

So since he knew he was giving him that extra push, was he knowingly pushing him into the stantion?
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InvisibleSoul · 03-10-2011, 09:59 AM

I personally believe that Chara knew what he was doing and purposefully pushed him into the turnbuckle.

I'm sure he didn't intend for him to get that badly hurt though.

Noir · 03-10-2011, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RRxtar

Why do you guys keep using the reasoning that "things happen very fast in the NHL and you cant think fast enough to make decisions"

ITS PRO HOCKEY! EVERYTHING HAPPENS FAST ALL THE TIME. if you cant think fast enough to keep up, or have split second spacial awareness, you arent good enough for pro hockey. If guys can spot and tip a 100mph slap shot thru a screen and purposely put the puck over the goalies blocker, I think they know whats going on every split second of every minute of the game. even at the most rec level of a sports league, you've got a pretty good idea of whats going on.

You know how sometimes you get a feeling like everything slowed down and you can make thoughs super quick, pro athletes live that in their sport.

I dont think he had intent to break his neck. But I have no doubt he knew he was giving him the extra shove rubbing him along the boards when he knew he was getting beat.

That's exactly why a lot of hockey fans aren't in an uproar because what you just described above is just another hockey play. It's that common. Where it occured is where it's an absolute fluke but the plays you just described happens in all areas of the ice rink.

Had it occurred on the other side of the rink where the glass is continuous or not in the neutral zone, Chara would've just gotten an interference or boarding at most.

People, or maybe fans just need to understand that hockey by nature is just inherently dangerous. When you factor the size of pro-athletes + the speed of ice hockey at pro levels + the necessity of full contact, there's no amount of rule changes, or rule additions that'll make hockey a safe sport.

MG1 · 03-10-2011, 10:02 AM

This will never end, because it happened in Habs country. Air Canada is now contemplating pulling their sposorship/ads/whatever from the NHL. They don't want to associate their company with an organization that isn't responsible. That's a crock of shit. Isn't the CEO an avid Habs fan?

Now the police are getting involved. WOW!

Fix the rink........ take that fucking glass out of there!!!! Oh, what was that about some guy who almost lost his nose from a tiny little glory hole in the glass......... oh, wait....... these players know every inch of the rink and should know better. Their reaction times are superhuman. Damn idiot should have seen the hole and should have turned his head so his big fat nose wouldn't find itself in the glory hole.

murd0c · 03-10-2011, 10:19 AM

Enough of this BS that will honestly never end.

How about Higgins playing his first game tonight

Sucks Tamby is sitting but it's going to be good having some more new blood in the line up.

fliptuner · 03-10-2011, 10:26 AM

So both Higgins and Raymond in tonight?

On a side note, Bieksa skating at practice, might be back next week.

Hondaracer · 03-10-2011, 10:37 AM

Lulz air Canada threats when multiple NHL teams generate 11 million in revenue for them
From private charters
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AzNightmare · 03-10-2011, 10:47 AM

I still say it's a good call by Air Canada...
maybe they are just bluffing... lol

They should definitely fix that part of the rink though...
Starting to get bad memories of what happened to the Georgian Luger.

dbaz · 03-10-2011, 10:58 AM

fuck Air Canada seriously they only care because this happened in the east. This hit is at least controversial its harder to judge in terms of was it completely the players fault or rink design. They didn't even raise a voice on the bertuzzi hit to say it was a good job by the league or w.e. They sure as hell havnt said anything when there was a dirty head shot in calgary this year that left a player on the ice with a broken nose and concussion. They need to stop being montreal canadien fans and run their company they are going to lose the charters for all canadian sports teams if they don't shut up.

fliptuner · 03-10-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Lulz air Canada threats when multiple NHL teams generate 11 million in revenue for them
From private charters
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From what I read, it's closer to 20M.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/ellio...ntriguing.html

sonick · 03-10-2011, 11:27 AM

I'm sure WestJet will happily step in and take the team Charters.

stuff99 · 03-10-2011, 01:59 PM

Don't rag on Air Canada when they finally have balls to call NHL on their hypocrisy. It's about time someone with clout said something.

dbaz · 03-10-2011, 02:48 PM

Sure thats great if they actually cared league wide but they only cared because it happened to the canadiens. Why not come out when Cooke ended Savards career or the Islanders game when Gillies snapped or the many other incidents in the last couple of years. My point is they are only raising a fuss because it happened in eastern canada. TSN interviewed nhl players from different teams and the greater percentage are saying that its an accident, that no legal charges should be laid and that the canadiens ownership are at as much of at fault themselves because of poor arena design. Pronger even told people that the arena is "odd" because of the design which is where Pacioretty got injured.

Bouncing Bettys · 03-10-2011, 03:28 PM

The league could have shown the public it can handle its own business and at least kept the public attack dogs and critics at bay. They now have politicians, sponsors, activists, etc up in arms and wanting to force changes upon the NHL.

They could have shown some consistency ie:
"If you cause a player to be injured, then you have to be responsible for the play that you're involved in, if there's any carelessness or recklessness in it." -Colin Campbell, on decision to suspend Alex Ovechkin.
They could have immediately announced an investigation into the safety of those turnbuckles and an intention to make them safer. I know the NHL shouldn't be so reactionary but they should have anticipated the negative publicity something like this always generates and attempted to minimize it.

As to the incident itself, you can't definitively prove intent and yet all the evidence would have been there to get a conviction in court - not that I am saying the law has any business here.

You have a 13 year NHL veteran who has played the majority of his career in the North East division so he knows damn well there is a partition in the Bell Centre. Sure the placement of this partition is different in every arena but that doesn't negate the fact that its presence is consistent throughout every arena in the league. He has also been playing long enough to know the results of a player colliding with that partition. I don't buy the claim that he wasn't aware the partition was there at all.

Then you have pretty convincing motive: the prior history and animosity of the 2 players involved, the blowout game which in sports often insights aggresive revenge-like behaviour in which Chara's team was the team being blown out. Often these acts of revenge or message sending are done in the dying moments of the game when its too late to make a game of it.

Lastly, saying Chara doesn't deserve a suspension because he isn't known for dirty play is bunk. Just because he has a history doesn't mean he is incapable of dirty play or a lapse in self restraint.

As to a solution: create a slope at the ends of the glass. At one time, to solve the problem of vehicles being shish-kabobed by the ends of highway guard rails, they began sloping the ends. This allowed vehicles to ride up and over (not much safer) rather than strike it head on. With this solution, you wouldn't be able to fix the problem of the partition between the two benches because it wouldn't be practical but it could be used where the two benches end.

Durrann · 03-10-2011, 03:31 PM

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“I would say the Sharks are a little more mature,” Wellwood said when asked to compare his new team to his old one. “They're not so scared of losing and I think come playoff time this team is going to be better.

“I just feel like Vancouver still has some more lessons to learn and I'm glad I'm on San Jose because they've been through a lot of hard times together and I think they're more prepared. That's not to say Vancouver can't win. They've got a lot of talent and they could certainly figure it out. I'd like to see them win the Cup, but I think this team is more prepared.”

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz1GF5k4DZD

LOL someones a little BITTER...

i WAS a fan of wellwood , not anymore

fliptuner · 03-10-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaupunkt69

The league could have shown the public it can handle its own business and at least kept the public attack dogs and critics at bay. ..........................

Lastly, saying Chara doesn't deserve a suspension because he isn't known for dirty play is bunk.

I negated the fact that you're a Leafs fan cause I agree with your post.

I thanked you cause I haven't heard anyone use the work "bunk" in at least 2 years.

iwantaskyline · 03-10-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stuff99

Don't rag on Air Canada when they finally have balls to call NHL on their hypocrisy. It's about time someone with clout said something.

You've all been trolled by Air Canada. No way will they pull their advertising with the NHL.

They got FREE MARKETING from this whole thing.

Harvey Specter · 03-10-2011, 04:08 PM

Exactly! It's absoulte BS to say he didn't know the partition was there and I've watched the video serevel times and I strongly believe he had intent to injury, both these guys had history which is why this wasn't just an "unfortunate hit". The NHL should have suspended him for a minimum of 2 games which for the most part would have silenced the critics but they've created a shit storm and if another player is seriously injured resulting from an dirty hit, it's big trouble for the league.

Bottom line it was an stupid move by the NHL not to hand out a suspension. Fans in general like a little violence but there's a fine line between a hard, clean hit and straight up dirty hits which go unpunished. Wake up Bettman, you don't want to go down the road the NHL went down in 90's when the game became so violent that fans started tuning out.

Hondaracer · 03-10-2011, 04:42 PM

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You've all been trolled by Air Canada. No way will they pull their advertising with the NHL.

They got FREE MARKETING from this whole thing.

Exactly.. do you realize the exposure air canada gets from the ACC alone? they will -never- pull their name from that arena

As pratt pretty much just said on the radio, it's one thing for radio analysts and fans to get all up right regarding head shots and a game they support

but when Industries and Politicians [and yes, the people who made the decisions to release those statements via Air Canada are all basically politicians] it's disgusting because all it is is a bunch of scum bag government lackies seeing blood in the water on a hot button issue they can jump on, give their .02 cents and act like they give two shits.

AzNightmare · 03-10-2011, 05:00 PM

Not sure how these things are designed in the rink, but just a random suggestion??

Maybe make that one section of glass inserted in with glass "pegs",
kind of like how the goal posts are insert in the ice.
basically have the glass "peg" that's inside the board break off upon impact to absorb some damage...

Would that work?

I'm not sure if that area has the audience behind it or the players...

Noir · 03-10-2011, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNightmare

Not sure how these things are designed in the rink, but just a random suggestion??

Maybe make that one section of glass inserted in with glass "pegs",
kind of like how the goal posts are insert in the ice.
basically have the glass "peg" that's inside the board break off upon impact to absorb some damage...

Would that work?

I'm not sure if that area has the audience behind it or the players...

So what happens to the rinkside fans upon breakage and the whole glass panel is now loose? Partitions aren't only found in between the player benches like in MTL. They're also found at the end of them.