Yeah, I saw that after I made my earlier post. I also read somewhere that they had tightened their nutrition standards, removing entire categories of foods (ie. cookies). Still, it does beg the question why they'd have cookies on there in the first place.

Regardless, I don't think you can look at the Health Check example and somehow conclude that all organizations are operating under equally heavy industry biases.

I personally have noticed the Health Check is still not a good guideline. I have food allergies that require me to read the labels on everything I eat in great deal and I still find that the "Health Check" is often on actually HIGHER sodium products then some of the alternatives (look in the soup aisle for example). And often foods that were also higher in preservatives and other additives that are less then healthy.

Thanks for the Marketplace link! It was entertaining. I didn't know about the ONQI system that's a neat idea IF they can truely score everything in the store.

I acutally find this thread informative, both sides of the coin.

Here's some info, i've read on the past:
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_Clinic

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fat/nu00262

Also, i don't think skinny's diet is all that great either and I would never eat the way or the things he would, but to prove a point that Skinnypupp's info isn't all bullshit coming out of his ass. :P

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/but...garine/AN00835

As for what's health and what's not. FOLLOW THIS DAMN MAXIM: "EVERYTHING IN MODERATION".

And you're going to be healthy.

Both of those sources re-iterated my posts and recommended against saturated fats. (The second article basically says that if you buy the right type of margarine, it is superior to butter. If not, then it's inferior.)

I agree with the "everything in moderation" sentiment though, and eating a diet that's completely devoid of fat would be just as ridiculous as eating an all-meat diet.

and oils.

most cheap granola, unless its like made at some super healthy health store uses cheaper oils (to save cost) like palm oils and or coconut oils.

according to what i was taught, those are bad oils.

with that being said, in moderation, they wont kill you.

from my understanding.

it goes like this

hydrogenated margarine is worse than butter, but non hydrogenated margarine made from poly or mono unsaturated fats/oils is better (in health) than butter. but if u can find non-hydrogenated margarine, chances are, it contained saturated fats just to stabilize it, and keep it "butter like"

so in the end, there is no exact healthy eating. just do ur best.

i recently went to diabetic class for a brush up (since the last time i went to one was like 5-10 years ago). and the information they gave and research they have done since has changed a lot.

they still reconmend the whole 1/2 fruits n vegs, 1/4 carbs, 1/4 protein, as a rough guideline for healthy eating, but at least they into more detail now.

a lot of what i learned before, and thru the years still holds up though.

whatever you eat as a snack, make sure its a healthy hearty carb. if its been packaged and processed, compared to some home made or healthy combined made product, then you know the answer.

my issue isnt so much taste, or energy boost. i have stuff for that, but its sustainability. my issue is im up by 5, at work by 7:30, and my lunch break isnt til 2. thats roughly a span of 6.5 hrs i dont eat. so i need a snack that can push my blood sugars long enough to last for that long. if i drink a can of sugar pop, ill get a sugar high, but wont last me long enough til lunch. cant have those fruit leathers either, same idea. a piece of fruit is always good but cant pack that all the time. packaged granola bars are full of sugar and oils making them just not healthy. so whats left? dry mixed fruits n nuts pretty much. can grab an handful when im by my locker.

anyhow, if u have questions, ill see if i can answer them. might not be the best answer, or the correct one, but at least everyone can educate each other.

lots of different studies and research out there. doubt there is 1 definitive answer as each person is different. what worked for you may not be able to work for me due to my lifestyle and being diabetic.

!SG> For diabetics that's where the fat comes in. If you have fat with your sugars it slows the sugar high and evens it out a bit.. I was told to have fruit with fat for example - yogurt (not the craptastic non fat kind) with berries, apple & cheese, carrots with a dip - stuff like that.

That said, I eat mixed nuts at work 3 mornings out of 5 days for exactly the same reason. I keep a big bag in my desk.

i cant eat yogurt, im lactose intolerant. well i can, but i prefer not to cuz i have to take those lactose pills.

You were taught wrong. The complete opposite of correct.. There is nothing unhealthy about coconut or palm oils (if left untouched). I think you might be confused from you lesson, I'm sure they would have specified that it is hydrogenated fats that are bad for you (any oil can be hydrogenated, even animal fat).

Unless they are completely wrong to begin with, which is totally possible

thats the thing, like you said, in north america, palm oils and coconut oils are not left untouched. if it was left untouch, it is relatively good for you, in moderation. cant be eating that by the tablespoon full by itself (nor would it taste good)

Actually with coconut oil, moderation isn't nearly enough.. You could eat it by the spoon, and a lot of people do. Same goes for fish oil.. I take 2 tablespoons of that every day :thumbsup:

the only healthy carbs = whole fruits and vegetables

Partially true, in that the fruits and vegetables (often) have a lot of nutrients in addition to the carbs. The actual carb that is in them (fructose) is actually the worst carb of all.

So it's good to eat fruit, but sparingly, and stick to the ones with little sugar (berries are fantastic)

whole grains are good too. but haha, you dont want to be eating so much that the fibre in what you eat, makes you shit out a granola bar =P hahaha