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I believe performance is measured in numbers. The slalom is not the end all for handling but it surely cannot be dismissed either. Clearly when given stats that the m3 is not as great as you claim you have no evidence to back it up so you and marco911 can get together and circle jerk each other with unmeasurable performance stats. The rest of us that are after performance know where to look and that surely isn't at bmw.
You're a fucking moron!!!!
"...nothing can touch BMW's mastery of refining and redefining the entire performance envelope. This is one of the few performance cars that can triumph at weekend track days and still carry four friends in perfect comfort and luxury to an evening movie. It's as at home tearing up a winding mountain road as it is commuting on the freeway. The M3 is elegant and powerful, and it does its job at a comfort level not many cars can match." - Popular Mechanics Magazine, after awarding the 2008 BMW M3 it's "Performance Vehicle of the Year" award
The BMW M3 has made Car & Driver's annual "Ten Best" list a record NINETEEN TIMES.
In 2006, it was the "World Car of the Year" at the New York Auto Show.
Various M3 motors, including the e46 and e90 models, have won "engine of the year" awards numerous times.
Car & Driver gave the E92 M3 a 5-star rating and said that it's "perhaps the best car on the planet."
Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general. Sure you may know an m3 that has gone 1 million miles with nothing but oil changes but that doesn't change what the majority of owners experience.
I never said a rsx would "feel" better than an m3 just the fact that your 25k bargain would have problems passing a rsx. So when you take the companies "ultimate driving machine" slogan and bang for the buck together it just does not work.
Of course posers will hate that for 25k you cant' really have the ultimate driving machine but hey obviously a few of you are convinced that possible.
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You could take the $25k and buy a $5k car and spend $20k moding the shit out of it. It willl definitely be faster but when it comes time to sell, you've only got a $10k car
that is quite wrong actually... most first hand buyers paid 100k for the m3's (could buy a townhouse in richmond back then around '02), and i really doubt the cost of upkeep is significant especially after the 4 year warranty. My inspection II costed nearly 2k, and the tires costed about 2.5k. So it costs about 2k per year.
in fact all the e46 m3 owners i know moved on to the new m3, m5, m6, maserati, r8, etc quickly after each appeared
that is quite wrong actually... most first hand buyers paid 100k for the m3's (could buy a townhouse in richmond back then around '02), and i really doubt the cost of upkeep is significant especially after the 4 year warranty. My inspection II costed nearly 2k, and the tires costed about 2.5k. So it costs about 2k per year.
in fact all the e46 m3 owners i know moved on to the new m3, m5, m6, maserati, r8, etc quickly after each appeared
Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general.
Good point. We should all buy Toyota Corolla's, because they have a very very low cost of ownership.
Find me a $90,000 performance car (a la M3) that doesn't cost more to maintain than a $35,000 economy-oriented Honda.
Ok well then just make sure you dont try to pass any hondas with an intake on the highway with your "ultimate" driving machine. They just might not be in the mood to let you pass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mc6rmEJerA
Hence why peaky powerbands suck if you dont know how to extract every rev and make the most of it your gonna get punked by kid in their rsx.
you should go and race your rsx with a mazda3...not a bmw m3..
o wait...yours is a type-s, then go find a mazdaspeed3...
Obviously not fast enough for the average hamfisted driver to be able to make the most out of that engine to pass a rsx on the highway. But hey bmw's are only driven by "ultimate drivers"
So if you have say a less than M series bmw then damn u better watch out! Getting clowned by hondas all day!
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No, actually, it wouldn't. Since you believe a car's performance is judged by "numbers," let's look at some numbers...
I wouldn't say the E46 M3 is the best 25K range used car. It might be the nicest looking but I wouldn't say the best.
Its a toy car. Not good at hauling stuff, not good in snow, gas is pricey and its a sports car so chances are it's been thrashed (If buying used).
But for the shake of argument we will say you have a different car that does all of those things and you have 25k burning a hole in your wallet. PERSONALLY I would buy something older (240, skyline, rx7, ae86... that's just what I like) and fix it, and make some minor changes.
Example : Toyota AE86 cost $500-$5000.
Honda F20c + Suspension + Brakes + ETC = 250 - 300 Hp, Sub 1800lbs car which would destroy that M3. For less money, and you would have something more original...ish*
But I like tinkering, mods, and monsters. I know you can do that with the m3, but throw 25k at a M3 or the 50k to buy something else, and ill take a NSX.
With your logic, I could get a Datsun 510 and drop a V8 in it and destroy any AE86 or Honda.
You say the M3 is a toy car, but your car examples are even less practical and usable.
As great of a car the NSX is, it is a difficult car to drive in the city....rearward vision is a nightmare, clutch and window regulators are huge money.....looks great, but compared to modern cars, it has allot to be desired.
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Considering how much value bmws lose over time(perhaps anything else) is a very good indication of why people are willing to unload them cheap. No it's not because they are all ballers and want the latest and greatest but rather the cost of upkeep in general. Sure you may know an m3 that has gone 1 million miles with nothing but oil changes but that doesn't change what the majority of owners experience.
I never said a rsx would "feel" better than an m3 just the fact that your 25k bargain would have problems passing a rsx. So when you take the companies "ultimate driving machine" slogan and bang for the buck together it just does not work.
Of course posers will hate that for 25k you cant' really have the ultimate driving machine but hey obviously a few of you are convinced that possible.
wow wait a minute
since when a DC5 able to out run a m3? even with I/RH/E kproed
i know with my current new setup i can beat a 350z, but highly doubt a m3 dude
With your logic, I could get a Datsun 510 and drop a V8 in it and destroy any AE86 or Honda.
You say the M3 is a toy car, but your car examples are even less practical and usable.
As great of a car the NSX is, it is a difficult car to drive in the city....rearward vision is a nightmare, clutch and window regulators are huge money.....looks great, but compared to modern cars, it has allot to be desired.
Exactly right with the 510, but in a straight line.
I understand fully that if need be you could drive the M3 daily (Compared to a highly modified car which will be less reliable). Also don't get me wrong that I really like the E46 M3. If I was going to own one though I would drive it like a toy. On the weekend, couple times to work, and on the track. Same with NSX or any other "Sports car". That's why I would opt for something else that I really like.
^ do you know window regulators on the NSX are a common problem? they probably cost $100 on a Civic, but for the NSX...it is $2K for a special cable system. Do some research before you talk nonsense.
Sure, a nice condition, low KMs NSX will run well...but if you want to buy a NSX for $21-$25K...it is going to beat to shit....why do you think people sell their NSX so cheap? they want to good guys?.. nice ones go for $40-$60K
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Can we just close this thread? I can't even believe we're talking about RSX vs M3.. You have a higher chance at seeing a triple rainbow than beating an M3 in an RSX.
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Stop trolling.. There's a reason why early 90s NSXs are still going for $40k+ USD.. It's called full service history.
Anything in the 20-35k range is shit.. high milleage, no service history, snap-range (sp??) etc.. Good luck keeping a NSX on the road with the mentality that it'll cost the same as an SI (even a S2k costs a lot more than a SI)
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You're a fucking moron!!!! 
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