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Leopold Stotch · 07-06-2010, 08:22 PM

Hi guys, don't come over here much.
But I do want to get a scooter, can't decide between the two

A few things my budget is 1000-1500
I can do my own maintenance
I do want to mod it for a bit more get go

That's pretty much my only concerns

The only diff I know of is that the vino is a 2 stroke and a bit quicker and apparently are easier to mod.

What do you guys recommend? I'm partial to jazz though

I hope that's enough info. Thanks
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bcrdukes · 07-06-2010, 09:36 PM

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Only some of the Vino's came in a 2-stroke. They might be a little harder to find these days as people don't want to give them up.

I've owned both a Jazz and Vino and as such, if my old Jazz ever came up for sale again, I would totally buy it back in a heart beat.

I'll break down the pros and cons for each but only for the 4-stroke models.

Yamaha Vino

Bigger overall (both the frame and the seat) You can ride with a passenger
Very comfortable. You could ride on it all day.
Dealer / parts support isn't the world's greatest (in my limited experience anyway.)
Clunky handling. Felt like a boat sometimes.
Parts cost just a little bit more
Felt soulless and cheap (shitty plastics)
Speedometer is standalone meaning, nothing protects it

Honda Jazz

Smaller frame, lighter in weight (not by much) and awesome nimble handling
Parts are readily available and good dealer support
Not the most comfortable ride (only if you go on long rides)
Lots of aftermarket support
Throttle response was great off the line
Speedometer is integrated into the headset and less prone to breaking if/when dropped

This is all I can think of off the top of my head. If you can get a 2-stroke model of either, go for it as they are more responsive to mods whereas a 4-stroke, I personally don't believe mods are worth it however, YMMV.

Both bikes are great, but I favour the Jazz highly simply because it was an awesome start-up-and-go A to B scooter. The Vino was a bigger bike and clunkier but very comfortable, something I missed on the Jazz but that wouldn't be a deciding factor at all. And to further complete my bias of the Jazz, take a look at this photoshoot GFunk did for me several years ago.

Any way, that's all for now. Hope that helped.

Acuracura · 07-09-2010, 01:56 AM

Is there a reason you're limiting yourself to those two? They both have the retro styling but if you're working on them yourself and doing mods, maybe look into a Yamaha BWS or Honda Ruckus. Lots of aftermarket support for those and parts might be cheaper. The BWS is the fastest out of all the 50cc scooters listed so far.

Leopold Stotch · 07-13-2010, 12:31 PM

^ i like the retro styling.

and after reading into it a bit more, i may just leave it stock

TypeRNammer · 07-13-2010, 02:16 PM

I would love to own a Ruckus one day

JapaDog · 07-16-2010, 06:18 AM

I have a Kymco Super 9 in orange for sale if you'r interested~ＬＯＬ

Culverin · 07-19-2010, 12:31 PM

I have 2x 50cc Scooters.

I can't even imagine riding a 50cc 4-stroke.
You'd never be able to get up hills without cars getting agitated with you.
Nor get off the line quickly.

So despite the classic vespa-like stylings of the jazz and vino, I would suggest you consider elsewhere.

My stock SR50 was able to do mid 80's, and my BWS, in the mid 70's, all the while beating cars off the line from a dead stop.

P.S.
I too have an orange scooter for sale.
My Yamaha BWS 2000km on it.

bcrdukes · 07-19-2010, 03:34 PM

Stock for stock, your SR50 is a whole different league in terms of performance compared to a Jazz. Not to mention, it also cost more new or used.

Culverin · 07-20-2010, 05:13 AM

Yes, I was just using them as an example of what a 2-stroke 50cc can do.

If you keep an eye out on craigslist, you could get lucky and scoop yourself a 2-stroke for $1600-$1700.

It might be a bit of a stretch, but I'm just laying it out there just in case...

Acuracura · 07-20-2010, 02:57 PM

There are some 50cc 2-stroke scooters with retro styling. Didn't Yamaha make some Vino's with 50cc 2-stroke engines?

TypeRNammer · 07-20-2010, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Culverin

I have 2x 50cc Scooters.

I can't even imagine riding a 50cc 4-stroke.
You'd never be able to get up hills without cars getting agitated with you.
Nor get off the line quickly.

So despite the classic vespa-like stylings of the jazz and vino, I would suggest you consider elsewhere.

My stock SR50 was able to do mid 80's, and my BWS, in the mid 70's, all the while beating cars off the line from a dead stop.

P.S.
I too have an orange scooter for sale.
My Yamaha BWS 2000km on it.

Damn hearing this makes me miss my derbi bullet

Beating cars off the line FTW.

Carrying your gf and still managing almost 80km/h = moar win!

VK79 · 07-20-2010, 05:13 PM

LiL OT but have been toying with the idea of a 50cc scoot for a sunny day fun toy. What are your experiences with the support of the SR50 and BWs.

Say if I catch the mod bug (which I know I will) and decide to do a 70cc + all the supporting mods, would there be a knowledgeable shop I can go to to get it done?

Also, have you guys used these scoots on the highway? do they have difficulty maintaining ~90km/h?

Culverin · 07-20-2010, 10:17 PM

Whoa, a 2-stroke Vino? I'd want to try that out. It'd be a total stealther.

Japanese models like the BWS will have many more parts than italian models. But I'd really say give them a try before you buy. There are things you might want done simply cause it doesn't ride to your liking. I'm actually spending a bit of time and grief getting my SR50 to behave more like my BWS

As for modding, Yeah.
Jiang Wayne in richmond would be the place to go for import modding.
They've got parts and stuff too, many parts will be cheaper online, but at least you've got a local resource as well.

Going 70cc without proper motorcycle license and insurance would be illegal. I'm in the process of checking out the cost difference of it all.
It's a big jump. I'd go to motorcycle riding school. I wouldn't just throw in a 70cc kit either. If you want to increase your top end, you'd want to do the gears and and clutch and stuff too.

I think new, the BWS is $3200.
I've done about $400 in performance parts for my SR50.
I think BBK + fixings, would be an extra $1000.

Overall, sooooo much cheaper than owning a car though

VK79 · 07-20-2010, 11:13 PM

Ah thks for the quick response...

Nice to know there is a shop who can handle all the mods etc.

No problems with legal stuff, have a bike license for over 6 years but sometimes you wanna just chill and scoot around in a AT moped, easy and light. Kinda how sometimes you want a chill DD even thou you have a modded sporty car.

Since you got a SR, do you happen to know if a Arai Corsair or Shoei X11 FF helmet fits under the seat?

Culverin · 07-21-2010, 04:55 AM

I'm afraid I don't know if they will fit.
The SR has a horribly small storage box.

I am waiting for my new XS Bell Star to arrive, but even with that, I think I will need to trim out the bottom of the seat cover.

I assume you those helmets?
If you are thinking of going to the SR, I can swing by and let you try to fit them in

Or... You could pop into Urban Wasp, I think they still have 1 left.

NNT · 07-21-2010, 10:35 AM

The SR's underseat storage is so small, it wont fit most of the full face helmet (with insurance paper) on the market. if you are into modding and dont have the mechanical skillset, I would suggest to stay with the japanese scooter, Wayne's shop http://wayne.visualloft.com/scooter/index.php can do most of the mods you wants.

NNT · 07-21-2010, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Culverin

Whoa, a 2-stroke Vino? I'd want to try that out. It'd be a total stealther.

2 stroke vino is bascially the same as your BW, I used to own a 2002 Vino and the only difference than your BW is the ride height (suspension), the disc brake you got up front and bigger tires. The BW is more supreme in terms of ride quality, only reason I choose the Vino is because of the styling.

Culverin · 07-22-2010, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NNT

2 stroke vino is bascially the same as your BW, I used to own a 2002 Vino and the only difference than your BW is the ride height (suspension), the disc brake you got up front and bigger tires. The BW is more supreme in terms of ride quality, only reason I choose the Vino is because of the styling.

WHOA CRAP.
You're on RS too? hahahahaha...

You have a revscene decal on your SR?

gsxr7 · 11-05-2010, 02:12 PM

check out a ruckus b4 u decide.Im getting my gf one in the spring,tons of mods available,check it out.

Pam8292 · 05-05-2011, 09:26 AM

I know that this is an old thread but I was wondering what the biggest difference is between a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke. I'm not looking to do any modifications but I read that the 2 stroke has poorer fuel efficiency and is a bit smelly.

I'll be using the scooter to get from Downtown to UBC (so yes, there's a bit of a hill) and I'm trying to figure out if I want a Yamaha Vino or a Honda Jazz (pre 2006). I want vintage styling, don't want to spend over $1600/ $1700 and just want a 50cc.

Thanks!

bcrdukes · 05-05-2011, 02:46 PM

Poor fuel efficiency - the difference between a 4-stroke is negligible. And yes, it can be smelly and very smokey.

I saw your thread on VancouverScootering.com. Given your budget, you can easily pick up a Vino or Jazz. I had a 2005 Vino but it was 4-stroke. I don't recall which years were 2-stroke but they are definitely hard to come by. I haven't seen any to be honest.

Culverin · 05-10-2011, 10:47 PM

On a carbed model, the 2 stroke is going to smell more and not be nearly as conservative on gas. However, I've got the fuel injected 2-stroke, it just sips the motor oil and is much cleaner burning, thus no smoke. It's also very light on gas. I commute from Sperling Station to Downtown averaging $6-7 on gas a week. That's cheaper than transiting into work.

Leopold Stotch · 05-13-2011, 12:02 AM

can't wait to insure my Jazz,
but i have a ton of stuff to do

Air Filter
Spark Plug
Drive Belt
Variator Install, with new rollers
New Tires,
New Brakes
and Valve Adjustment.