Speeding Ferrari Gets Impounded

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by Soundy

You'd lose that argument. Speeding IS against the law... just not the Criminal Code. Something doesn't have be in the Criminal Code for it to be illegal.

Did you know that in BC, it's illegal to kill a Sasquatch?
Also, it's a federal offense for a citizen to publicly remove bandages.
In Victoria, it's illegal for street entertainers to give kids balloon animals.


So in effect, your argument is moot since there are some asinine laws still on the books... Or do you still blindly follow the letter of the law regardless of what your common sense tells you?

[donjalapeno]

why would they just take the cars and sell them? isnt it private property? so if i commit a crime in my house would they come in and arrest me and sell my house?.....they should of just taken away their license for like 2 years and a juicy fine

[Phat_R]

if you get caught doing 200 in a 60 the penalty should be roadside castration

that would stop speeding without fines or any of this seizure bs

[johny]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa77

why would they just take the cars and sell them? isnt it private property? so if i commit a crime in my house would they come in and arrest me and sell my house?.....they should of just taken away their license for like 2 years and a juicy fine

goggle Bruce montague. he purposely let his gun license expire so he could fight the gun laws in court. the Ontario gov. arrested him (which he wanted so he could challenge the laws) then seized his house, because he was a criminal, so he couldn't use the equity towards lawyer fees. because the gov didn't want anyone beating them in court.

[penner2k]

Originally Posted by johny

goggle Bruce montague. he purposely let his gun license expire so he could fight the gun laws in court. the Ontario gov. arrested him (which he wanted so he could challenge the laws) then seized his house, because he was a criminal, so he couldn't use the equity towards lawyer fees. because the gov didn't want anyone beating them in court.

So the guy is in jail?
That would have been funny if a lawyer that is against the whole gun laws thing decided to take on the case free of charge. Or someone with a bunch of money just paid for his lawyer fees so he could fight it.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by johny

goggle Bruce montague. he purposely let his gun license expire so he could fight the gun laws in court. the Ontario gov. arrested him (which he wanted so he could challenge the laws) then seized his house, because he was a criminal, so he couldn't use the equity towards lawyer fees. because the gov didn't want anyone beating them in court.

Sounds like another Marc Emery - intentionally thumb your nose at the law and then act all put-upon when it bites you in the ass.

[johny]

apparently another car was seized on Vancouver island yesterday??...

[johny]

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[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Soltaaa77

why would they just take the cars and sell them? isnt it private property? so if i commit a crime in my house would they come in and arrest me and sell my house?.....they should of just taken away their license for like 2 years and a juicy fine

u mean like grow op homes? yes they get seized (started happening a few years ago, and there was a huge uproar and appeals in courts but the govt. won)

but i think you probably mean another type of crime...

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by johny

goggle Bruce montague.

If you Google him, all you get are these idiotic sites trying to put their spin on his case by intentionally leaving out key details. There's a lot more to his case than "I don't want to register my gun - OK we're going to take your house".

It's like trying to research 9/11 and only reading information from the conspiracy sites.

[zulutango]

Originally Posted by johny

apparently another car was seized on Vancouver island yesterday??...

Yup...the whole story here...

Island District
205 km/hr in a 110 km/hr zone
Share | File # North Island IRSU 2010-611 / South Island IRSU 2010-633
2010-11-24 15:19 PST
Excessive Speeding "et al" Highway 19, south of Campbell River BC 2010-11-24 @ 1000 hours


The Roving Canine Patrol of the Island District RCMP Integrated Road Safety Unit, observed a motor vehicle traveling at an excessive rate of speed on Highway 19 south of Campbell River, B.C. This alleged offending motor vehicle was captured on police radar traveling at 205 kilometers per hour in a 110 kilometer per hour zone.

The Roving Canine Patrol did not take pursuit of this speeding motor vehicle due safety concerns inherent and complicated by icy and snow covered road conditions present at the time. However did report observations and details related to this apparent offending motor vehicle to other members of the IRSU team.

Subsequently other members of the IRSU unit set up a police road check in order to safely apprehend the alleged offending motor vehicle. This apprehension occurred moments later north of Courtenay BC where the alleged offending motor vehicle was observed to be traveling at 160 kilometers per hour in a 110 kilometer per hour zone.

The alleged offending vehicle and driver were apprehended by police without incident in a road check set up for this purpose. The alleged offender was found to be of a New Driver Designation and on police system to serve a Notice of Driving Prohibition. This driver (20 year old male from Campbell RIver) has also been charged with Excessive Speeding, Failure to Display New Driver Designation and Failure to Produce a Driver's License. The related motor vehicle was impounded by police under the new Administrative Driving provisions

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by Soundy

Sounds like another Marc Emery - intentionally thumb your nose at the law and then act all put-upon when it bites you in the ass.

Originally Posted by originalhypa

Did you know that in BC, it's illegal to kill a Sasquatch?
Also, it's a federal offense for a citizen to publicly remove bandages.
In Victoria, it's illegal for street entertainers to give kids balloon animals.


So in effect, your argument is moot since there are some asinine laws still on the books... Or do you still blindly follow the letter of the law regardless of what your common sense tells you?

Still waiting for an answer here...
Or does your ignorant belligerence not allow you to reply to logic?

[underscore]

205km/h in the winter? wtf?

[!Yaminashi]

Originally Posted by Mugen EvOlutioN

ferrari is like.....a step down of god

...what?

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by zulutango

This driver (20 year old male from Campbell RIver) has also been charged with Excessive Speeding, Failure to Display New Driver Designation and Failure to Produce a Driver's License. The related motor vehicle was impounded by police under the new Administrative Driving provisions

Was it impounded? or forfeited?

[InvisibleSoul]

Originally Posted by freakshow

Was it impounded? or forfeited?

Forfeiture doesn't come immediately... if it happens, it'll be weeks before it does.

[Mugen EvOlutioN]

Originally Posted by !Yaminashi

...what?

scale i meant, not step

[Black240Sx]

This story does 2 things... it scares your average sane person and forces them to think twice about speeding, and it makes idiots run. Next time a guy in a 200K car is doing 200km/h and sees a cop hes going to go even faster, drive like even more of a retard and likely kill someone. Harsh laws turn Canada into the USA. Get ready to see more high speed pursuits. Years ago I wouldn't have concidered running in a millions years, now.. maybe.

[Black240Sx]

Originally Posted by underscore

205km/h in the winter? wtf?

This was in Sept brah.

Edit. NM you're talking about the island dude

[Marco911]

Here's the point that most of you apathetic morons are missing:

It doesn't matter whether you think the Ferrari/BMW drivers deserved their punishment due to their behavior. The issue here is one of civil rights.

The fact of the matter is that anyone charged with street racing can have their vehicle eventually forfeited by the government. Since the govt goes after your vehicle using civil means, the burden of proof is lower, which means that your vehicle can be forfeited even BEFORE you are convicted in a criminal court of street racing.

We all know that there is considerable leeway to the term "street racing," which could include excessive speeding. The BC government seems to have placed no protection of civil rights in enacting these new regulations.

I think that New Brunswick's protection measures of only seizing assets that are used in an "ongoing criminal activity" is a good one. If a drunk driver gets caught repeatedly driving his/her vehicle drunk, that becomes an ongoing criminal activity and then the vehicle may be forfeited. The way the new law is written, they can pursue forfeiture of the vehicle even if you were caught driving drunk once because you placed other road users at risk, which is a fairly low standard.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by underscore

Yet if they let things like this go UNTIL someone dies, then everyone gets mad and wonders why it took someone getting killed for change to happen. I side with the option that removes people using public roadways in a ridiculous manner, and saves a life.

What do you mean by "remove people using public roadways"? If you mean, suspending their driver's license, then I agree with you. If you mean the same harsh penalties such as prison, or abolishment of private property rights as if you HAD killed someone then I disagree.

We live in a society where the penalties/punishments are supposed to be in line with the severity of the offense. Get caught driving drunk, and you get X penalties. Get caught driving drunk and happen to kill another road user and you get a much harsher penalty.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by Soundy

And this sort of attitude is exactly WHY the new penalties are so harsh. Once upon a time, most people followed the speed limit, just because that was the law, not because of the penalties imposed. Now the "me me me" mentality has gotten to the point where the law no longer matters; people do whatever they want and as long as nobody else gets hurt, they think everything is fine, regardless of the POTENTIAL for harm they present.

You can only push the boundaries so far, before the pendulum starts to swing back the other way... and now it has. The drastic response wouldn't have been necessary if such a large segment of the population didn't feel it necessary to flaunt the rules in a wild pursuit of their "rights".

Komrade, you need to move to a police state like North Korea. Those of us who still care about civil rights and liberties recognize this law as being unjust and flies in the face of our charter rights.

[gars]

Another point though, why should someone who is very rich, compared to someone who is very poor, speeding at the same rate, be punished the same? The issue is, that there are too many very rich people here, who don't care about the fines, because to them, the fine is just a drop in the bucket.

Let's say we reverse this, say there is somebody who was driving a shitbox, worth $500. But this is the car he uses to drive to work at 2 full time jobs, making minimum wage, just to support his family. And if he gets caught speeding, and gets his car taken away and forfeited, it would not make nearly as big a splash across the media. But most likely, the guy who had his shitbox taken away will be hurt way more, financially speaking.

Obviously, because this is a car enthusiast forum, there is quite a lot of backlash towards this. But at the same time, I sort of agree with a punishment that is in line with your income. I understand the issue behind civil rights though, and I'm not sure what my exact opinion of that is. But I personally think that driving at 200+ km/h on a road like that is very irresponsible. I've walked around that area on some of the trails, and I don't think that people should have to cross the road in fear that a ferrari might come around the corner and smoke them, even after looking both ways.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by gars

Another point though, why should someone who is very rich, compared to someone who is very poor, speeding at the same rate, be punished the same? The issue is, that there are too many very rich people here, who don't care about the fines, because to them, the fine is just a drop in the bucket.

Because the law is supposed to apply equally. For a rich person, it's not the money that matters but he/she still has to deal with the demerit points and possible license suspension, which is the same for everyone.

Let's say we reverse this, say there is somebody who was driving a shitbox, worth $500. But this is the car he uses to drive to work at 2 full time jobs, making minimum wage, just to support his family. And if he gets caught speeding, and gets his car taken away and forfeited, it would not make nearly as big a splash across the media. But most likely, the guy who had his shitbox taken away will be hurt way more, financially speaking.

I suspect, the BC civil forfeiture office only goes after assets which have a significant market value. So if you drive a shitbox, I doubt they are going to spend the legal resources to come after your pile.

But I personally think that driving at 200+ km/h on a road like that is very irresponsible. I've walked around that area on some of the trails, and I don't think that people should have to cross the road in fear that a ferrari might come around the corner and smoke them, even after looking both ways.

The issue is whether the govt should be allowed to take and sell your car if you are charged (but not convicted) of street racing. I'm sure there are many more people who are charged with this offense who are not driving 200 km/h.

[MindBomber]

In many European countries fines are based on the perpetrators annual income, in some situations net worth is also a factor I believe. If a similar law were introduced in Canada, I‘m certain the government wouldn‘t have any trouble finding support for it.

Next time you’re in Switzerland driving down a windy village road at the foothills of the Alps, you may want to make sure you’re either very mindful of the police or very poor.

If you decide you want to speed your way through Switzerland, be warned there is no such thing as a standard fine for driving say, 35 mph over the limit. No, no, no. If you’re caught speeding in the land of fine watches and neutrality and you have a lot of money, you better hope you’ve kept your money stashed somewhere the Swiss can’t find it (a Swiss bank account?).

A 53-year-old man learned that lesson after receiving a record-setting fine of nearly $290,000 for driving 85 mph in a 50 mph zone through the small town of St. Gallen. Adding insult to injury, he was driving a car worth a fraction of the fine — a Ferrari Testarossa.

Why the hefty fine for a mere 35 over the limit?

In 2002 Swiss voters approved replacing prison terms for some offenses, including speeding, with fines based on your income. According to Tages Anzeiger, the lead-footed driver has an annual income of more than $820,000 and is worth well over $20 million. (Here’s the English translation of the story.)

And another tip if you are caught and given a hefty fine in Switzerland: Don’t make any big claims to try and get out of the ticket. The Testarossa driver was initially fined a little less than $90,000 by the local jurisdiction. That was raised to $145,000 by the next court after the driver claimed diplomatic immunity, saying he is diplomat from the Republic of Guinea-Bissau. That didn’t sway the court, which boosted the fine to $290,000.

“The accused ignored elementary traffic rules with a powerful vehicle out of a pure desire for speed” the court said.

On the upside, apparently he has to pay only half of the fine now. The rest is deferred and will be eliminated for good behavior.