because not everyone believes bodybuilding.com is the golden standard for being fit, spending every second paycheck on supplements, and 3 hours a workout is efficient, and lastly, getting advice from teenage revsceners.

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who works out for 3 hours lol, i started from scratch new nothing about lifting weights, went to the gym ask some friends and ask the " big dudes" the ones that actually know how to lift for advice, half the time personal trainers will not teach dead lifts or squats because it to much of a liability.

I just think its a joke that these personal trainers are getting paid to teach bull shit about lifting

so you are generalizing this information for the handful of trainers you have seen? also, how do you even know what the clients goals are? just because you dont see them doing bbell squats and deadlifts, does not mean they are not getting the results they are asking for.. not everyone wants to be able to do 200 lbs squats and deads...

Of course, most people want to be able to do concentration curls. So that's what the trainers have them do. This is what makes the trainers good.. right?

I know trainers that do heavy compound lifts like deads and squats, cleans etc. with their clients.. If that is ALL could and did train.. they would have 2 clients per day, at most. From a trainer`s standpoint, if a client says they want to incorporate arms exercises and or ab exercises, you will oblige. They have to right to request for it, and the trainer should be able to throw in bicep curls or even calf raises into their workout routine without sacrificing efficiency. You aren`t going to get them to do 4 sets of curls and a minute rest between.

You realize that the majority of people who get trainers are in their 40s-50s and could care less about max squats and deads. They are there to achieve the most efficient and maximum benefits from exercising. This includes general knowledge, and increase in their flexibilty, endurance, strength, cardiovascular condition etc. Along with that, just being confident and comfortable in the gym setting. Some if not most people use this one hour as an `out` where they can destress and get their mind away from work, their family, and other stresses.

Most, not all, but the vast majority of you guys here only know what you want to know. That is fine with me, but it is narrow-minded for you to think that the way you train is the only way.

I don`t have a problem with anyone who soley trains for hypertrophy or strength.. or periodize between the both, but to assume everyone should and wants to learn and tap into a SMALL aspect of exercise, is naive.

Lastly, I find it interesting that most of you here idolize bodybuilders that are pumped up with various hormones and drugs.

Well said. Next time, just ignore and move on. Chances are, your knowledge is not so great that it covers the entire spectrum.

Blue I totally see where you're coming from, but you are making some extreme generalizations that are just digging you into a deeper hole.

To be fair, others on the opposite side of the argument are doing the same. Who needs trainers? Lots of people. Every single athlete, for instance.

You might know some good trainers, and there are many out there. I know some myself. But they are in the vast minority. We're talking like 1-2% of the overall population, if that.
Nobody said anything against curls or calf raises, both of which are extremely useful exercises. If that's all you do, that's another issue.

Yes, most people who get trainers just want to look good naked. THat's all there is to it. Nobody said anything about having to get "max squats and deads". But most good trainers will take their clients who want to look good naked, and have them do... squats and deads! But what do I see every day? Curls, curls, more curls. Maybe some lat pulldowns and leg extensions. I'm sure most will concur.

Again, another vast generalization that is totally wrong. Even in this very forum we all train differently.
That's what makes it an engaging place for discussion (when the usual suspects aren't being useless trolls, that is).

And this is the biggest misconception you have of all. Some people here are into that, but I'd say they are in the minority.

The point people raised about trainers is that generally (98-99%) they are only out there to make a buck, getting people to do stupid training techniques. Whether or not their clients have similar goals is beside the point. I see some trainer showing their obese client how to do circuits on all the ab machines, they are yet another example of shitty trainers we all see too much.

my extreme generalizations are to make a point, and to answer to your generalizations.. 1-2 %? If you don't call that extreme generalization, I don't know what is. In every profession there are guys who just kick back and get through the day without caring. Doctors, dentists etc.. they get the job done at the minimum and "hate" their job. Come to my personal training studio where there are trainers that have been in the industry for minumum 5-10 years, and tell me that 98% of those guys are horrible. You are basing your perception on the same few trainers you see at community centres and fitness world. It is like basing your perception of Vancouver as whole from the community in East Van or, to be extreme again, East Side Downtown. You have only seen the guys that just got their certification and or just have their weight trainers certification...

I agree with you that there are horrible trainers, and the worst I have seen are at Fitness World. There are a couple of trainers at my trainer only studio that I would never refer anyone to, but to say 98 or even 50% of the them, is insane.

And to beat a dead horse regarding squats and deads... Not everyone can perform those exercises safely. So my reply would be, NO, not everyone should do it because they are great exercises. I do them myself, but it doesn't mean everyone I train should do them just because I can and I do.

The trainer's that should be looked at as "bad" should be the ones that have generic workout programs for client a, b, c, and d. I have clients who will never be able to step on a treadmill due to predisposed issues, some that will overcome previous knee and back issues to do anything I throw at them, and also ones that just want to live pain free from lower back degeneration and or previous neck injuries.

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For some folks trainers are needed so people don't result to "solutions" like this: