SNOW!!!!!!

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

So this happened today... driver immediately lost traction after hitting the brakes. After reviewing the footage, I noticed that the rear wheels were spinning while the front were locked up. Can anyone explain the physics behind this, being that's a FWD car?

No rear brakes? lol. In all likelihood it probably has drums in the back and since it's FWD they were just rolling along. Fronts were locked, maybe no ABS.

Well done on your part though.

[fliptuner]

It's not about being FWD, it's about brake bias/rears being out of adjustment. If that dumbass knew how to modulate his brakes, he'd be able to steer.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by Inaii

Are m+s rated tires any good in this kind of snow? I'm fairly newb to driving in the snow (hence my leaving the car at work/at home), so not sure what the difference is between a m+s rated tire and a winter one.

All season - hamburger
All season M+S - cheeseburger
Winter - Quarter pounder w/ cheese

I drove through Monday's storm on M+S all seasons, and they did rather well. Little to no slipping, went up hills fine, stopped fine. Much better than I expected (tires are for sale btw :P).

Then Wednesday I got X-ice3s and the difference is very noticeable.

TL;DR - they're better than regular All Seasons, but Winters are in a different league.

[Nlkko]

Originally Posted by Inaii

Are m+s rated tires any good in this kind of snow? I'm fairly newb to driving in the snow (hence my leaving the car at work/at home), so not sure what the difference is between a m+s rated tire and a winter one.

M+S you can drive on salted roads fine. Most major roads like Broadway will be salted very well. You will have problem on unsalted local streets & back alley.

[snowball]

Originally Posted by Inaii

Are m+s rated tires any good in this kind of snow? I'm fairly newb to driving in the snow (hence my leaving the car at work/at home), so not sure what the difference is between a m+s rated tire and a winter one.

Depends on the car, I'm running M+S right now with AWD, haven't gotten stuck and turns and stops okay if you're driving carefully.

I was more confident in my FWD with winter tires however. They were much better at turning and stopping. Felt like I could stop on a dime.

[fishCak3s]

I left work at 3pm, it took me roughly 45 minutes to get from my work to the Marine Way and Byrne road light (which normally takes me 1 minute). Then it took me another 20 minutes from Marine/Byrne to the lights at 20th st and 10th ave. But once I got past 20th st and 10th ave, it was all smooth with normal traffic.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Spent an hour on the back roads of Aldergrove seeking a challenge for my Tracker. There were plenty of other people doing the same thing.

[NKC ONE]

Sorry if it's been covered before but is M+S ok for sea to sky? Got a Whistler trip on monday and I just got back from a 2 week Asia trip. Kinda hard to get legit snow tires lately.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

All season - hamburger
All season M+S - cheeseburger
Winter - Quarter pounder w/ cheese

I drove through Monday's storm on M+S all seasons, and they did rather well. Little to no slipping, went up hills fine, stopped fine. Much better than I expected (tires are for sale btw :P).

Then Wednesday I got X-ice3s and the difference is very noticeable.

TL;DR - they're better than regular All Seasons, but Winters are in a different league.

I had the regular all-season tires that came with my Honda Fit and noticed a significant difference when I switched to my current Yokohama ice guard IG20's. The difference is night and day.

[!LittleDragon]

I left work at 4 and got from North Vancouver to Killarney/Fraserview in 30 mins. Traffic was actually better than on a good day... lol

Just using DWS-06 with AWD and I did fine. There was some slippage from a stop if I wasn't using the car's Snow mode but I was expecting that from a 5.0L. I was taking the side streets on Monday to avoid waiting in traffic and there was no problems at all.

One thing I noticed was it was difficult to go slow in fresh snow, it's not smooth. My old Sonata with snow tires would just cut through the fresh snow. The current car with 275 width tires kinda float on top of the snow but then would sink into it. More noticeable in parking lots but on streets where I can go 15-20kph, it's fast enough to not sink unless I need to stop.

[JSALES]

Drove from Vancouver to new west earlier and took rumble because boundary was closed and I was fine driving my winter beater, even had some fun in an empty parking lot after lol

[thumper]

this was around 2pm yesterday for me. all i could hear was the sound of spinning tires and coworkers evacuating the building lol. you could see the wall of snow coming in from over the valley from the east. i had to make the call and bail out out from work and take the no pay leave rather than spending the night trapped in surrey again like last monday and made a run for it... still, it took me 2 hours to get home on what normally would be a 40-50min commute.

[flagella]

Geez... every place is out of snow shovel. I get that there is immediate demand but it was forecasted a week ahead and you'd think these shops would stock them up to drive some sales. What a fucking joke.

Anybody knows any other places to get snow shovels in Coq area? As of last night CT, home depot, superstore, walmart are all out.

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by flagella

Geez... every place is out of snow shovel. I get that there is immediate demand but it was forecasted a week ahead and you'd think these shops would stock them up to drive some sales. What a fucking joke.

why didn't you buy it a week beforehand if it was forecasted a week ahead then?

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by flagella

Geez... every place is out of snow shovel. I get that there is immediate demand but it was forecasted a week ahead and you'd think these shops would stock them up to drive some sales. What a fucking joke.

Anybody knows any other places to get snow shovels in Coq area? As of last night CT, home depot, superstore, walmart are all out.

And why didn't you get a shovel when snow was first forecasted?

Edit: lol, jeedee

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

Any time I've used a rental vehicle in the winter ie Budget, they didn't have vehicles with snow tires. I haven't rented in almost a decade so perhaps that has changed.

Rental companies have vehicles equipped with snow tires, though you usually have to request them in advance in locations in the GVRD. Shops like up the ones up here will usually have a full fleet equipped with them since it's required by law to run them on the highways here.

Originally Posted by flagella

Geez... every place is out of snow shovel. I get that there is immediate demand but it was forecasted a week ahead and you'd think these shops would stock them up to drive some sales. What a fucking joke.

Anybody knows any other places to get snow shovels in Coq area? As of last night CT, home depot, superstore, walmart are all out.

FYI, shipments usually take more than a week to be ordered, picked, shipped and received by most well running companies, especially large bulk orders for something that usually isn't needed most years.

[flagella]

Originally Posted by jeedee

why didn't you buy it a week beforehand if it was forecasted a week ahead then?

Didn't expect the inventory system here in BC stores to be equivalent to that of third world country. Oh, and to answer your question, I have no obligation to shovel as there is no sidewalk in front of my house, which is why there was no "need" for me to purchase one. I just feel like doing some shoveling now for some exercise.

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by flagella

Didn't expect the inventory system here in BC stores to be equivalent to that of third world country.

Stores here in Kamloops have plenty of stock for shovels and ice melt, but that's because we get a ton of snow every year and, well, we are prepared ahead of time.

Come up this way if you're still in need of either.



Sorry, dude. From both a logistics and inventory forecast POV, it doesn't make financial sense. And from a personal viewpoint, you should have been prepared ahead of time.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by Inaii

Are m+s rated tires any good in this kind of snow? I'm fairly newb to driving in the snow (hence my leaving the car at work/at home), so not sure what the difference is between a m+s rated tire and a winter one.

M+S means nothing and are almost any ice nearby which is what happens off any main road. Also useless around more than an inch of slush.

[TopsyCrett]

Originally Posted by supafamous

M+S means nothing and are almost any ice nearby which is what happens off any main road. Also useless around more than an inch of slush.

Not true. Depends on the tire. If it is a eco-rolling costco Michelin special, yes probably useless. My dad has Bridgestone duelers M+S on a Mazda CX-9 and they barely do the trick.
I've had good experience with Michelin Pilot Sport AS2's, and Michelin Hydro edge's. My current PS AS3's are pretty useless in the snow on my bmw this year however.

My Hankook Dynapro A/T M's are killing it. Tosses the slush to the side and Have been able to emergency coming down Westwood Plateau at 50 km/h with no drama.



This was up at Eagle mountain in Coquitlam, you can see the ass mark where I fell (near rear left tire Lol) there is an inch of Ice and it made it up no problem.

[flagella]

Originally Posted by Lomac

Stores here in Kamloops have plenty of stock for shovels and ice melt, but that's because we get a ton of snow every year and, well, we are prepared ahead of time.

Come up this way if you're still in need of either.



Sorry, dude. From both a logistics and inventory forecast POV, it doesn't make financial sense. And from a personal viewpoint, you should have been prepared ahead of time.

It absolutely makes financial sense. You speaking from experience? Also, I didn't need to prepare if you had followed what I said. My preparation was done when I got winter tires put on my car.

[MG1]

Originally Posted by flagella

Geez... every place is out of snow shovel. I get that there is immediate demand but it was forecasted a week ahead and you'd think these shops would stock them up to drive some sales. What a fucking joke.

Anybody knows any other places to get snow shovels in Coq area? As of last night CT, home depot, superstore, walmart are all out.

Give Princess Auto a call. They may have some.

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by flagella

Didn't expect the inventory system here in BC stores to be equivalent to that of third world country. Oh, and to answer your question, I have no obligation to shovel as there is no sidewalk in front of my house, which is why there was no "need" for me to purchase one. I just feel like doing some shoveling now for some exercise.

You do realize that unless you're buying shovels from a warehouse locally, stores need to place an order from their supplier right?

A shipment that normally takes a week (on good sunny weather) gets pushed back / delayed further because of worse conditions from suppliers in Calgary/Ontario.

Can't blame the stores if you and others are trying to buy it the day/moment the snow is happening if you had the week/previous winters to prepare for it

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by flagella

It absolutely makes financial sense. You speaking from experience?

Yes, actually. A buyer/category specialist isn't going to watch the weather for every city around the country. They look at sales records for past years, particularly for seasonal items. If stores in a certain district only moved an average of 500 units between them all in Period 11 over the past two years, they're going to make sure their on hands will match that for the current year. No point in ordering excess stock and have it sit around in the warehouse collecting dust if previous sales don't support it.

Now, long range forecasts are notoriously incorrect, especially in the GVRD. If a store manager of a particular store wanted extra stock just in case, then Home Office can redirect a portion of their backup stock in a local distribution warehouse to said store. Now, if all the stores started clamoring for extra stock, then it would likely have to come from a warehouse not local to the area (remember, no point stocking excess product that historically doesn't sell well in the area.) This means pulling from somewhere Eastwards of the Rocky Mountains. That means you're looking at extra shipping days, not including the time needed to pull the stock, tack them onto each store's regular shipments (or, more likely, create an emergency shipment order and incur the unexpected shipping fees), and then send out the trailers. Oh, and hope that there are no road closures or rail delays (which, being that time of year, is an absolute guarantee... Roger's Pass? Crow's Nest? Coquihalla Summit? Helmer's Lake? Yeah, they all have accidents this time of year, which delays truck shipments.) Sure, you can ship it all air, but that costs a fucking fortune for bulk items.

Remember, this all has to be done days in advance while working solely off of a long range forecast for Vancouver. What happens if two days before the alleged snowfall happens, the forecast changes to +2* and rain? Then all of that extra work, costs, and stock would have been for naught.

See what I'm saying? Yes, I've done this shit before.

Originally Posted by flagella

Also, I didn't need to prepare if you had followed what I said. My preparation was done when I got winter tires put on my car.

If your prep work was done solely by putting on winter tires, then why are you bitching about snow shovels being sold out of local stores?

My prep work for winter is putting on my snow tires, making sure my snow shovels are still in good condition, bulking up on ice melt and sand, and ensuring my emergency bag in the trunk is up to date and modified with winter gear.

Just sayin'.

[Gh0stRider]

Alex Fraser bridge closed in both directions due to falling snow and ice