SNOW!!!!!!

[JSALES]

So many freaking potholes on the streets now since the snow is gone

[lilaznviper]

the small stretch on cambie and broadway is pot hole city.

[Traum]

Not to mention a lot of them are crater sized

[Gh0stRider]

Knight St is bad too

[HonestTea]

There's so much black ice everywhere, be safe everyone. Just slid everywhere in Coquitlam at 1 AM

[blkgsr]

ya side streets up near como lake area where an ice rink this morning

[whitev70r]

Metro Vancouver potholes range in severity after cold snap

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[Traum]

It isn't just the street that is getting fxxked with potholes from this winter's string of freeze-thaw temperatures. My driveway also got fxxked hard as well...

[Presto]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...oval-1.6309767

From snails to snow: Why homeowners aren't liable for slips on icy sidewalks (BC)

If you're crafting a legal strategy to ruin the homeowner whose unshovelled sidewalk led to your broken limb during B.C.'s latest snowmageddon, spare a thought for Darwin Der.

The Burnaby man went all the way to B.C.'s Court of Appeal with a lawsuit against a couple he blamed for his slip on the pavement out front of their house — only to have the province's top court issue the final word last year on a classic Canadian legal conundrum.

The appeal court judges found once and for all that property owners do not owe a "general duty of care to take reasonable care with respect to the removal of snow and ice from sidewalks adjacent to their property."

It was a decision grounded in precedent established by wounded pedestrians from coast to coast to coast — one that harkens back to a question that has plagued judges for decades: What exactly does being a good neighbour mean?

"Ninety years ago, our law became that one has a duty to look after their neighbour," says Ryan Dalziel, the lawyer who handled Der's challenge.

"When it comes to compliance with safety-based bylaws for clearing sidewalks in front of your home, I say with all due respect to courts, judges and others of a different view, what is this if not taking care for one's neighbour?"

Der and his wife were walking home from a grocery store with a dozen eggs on Dec. 21, 2017, when the then-76-year-old slipped on the corner of the sidewalk outside of a home belonging to Ang Zhao and Quanqiu Huang.

According to an affidavit, Der's feet slid out from underneath him.

"When I regained some level of awareness, I could feel pain in my shoulder, neck and back, and I could not move," the affidavit said.

Zhao and Huang moved into the home in front of the sidewalk on the day Der fell.

Zhao said he had shovelled the sidewalk in previous days in order to comply with the city's bylaws. And Huang claimed she salted the sidewalk in the morning to make it safer for the movers.

An accident reconstruction expert said the Lower Mainland cycle of freezing and thawing that followed likely left the pavement vulnerable to the kind of melting that later leads to black ice.

Der claimed the couple should have foreseen that the weather might turn the bare sidewalk into a skating rink.

The judge who heard the case in the lower court rejected Der's argument, pointing out that finding homeowners liable for injuries suffered because they did their civic duty the wrong way would mean "property owners would have an incentive not to make any efforts to comply with snow removal bylaws."

In his appeal, Der argued that property owners should have a duty of care to the people walking past their homes.

Although dozens of judges have considered similar situations, the B.C. Appeal Court became the first to conduct a legal test specifically designed to test the limits of legal responsibility between individuals.

The ruling cites the so-called neighbour principle established in 1932 by the British House of Lords in what's widely known as the "snail in the bottle case" — because it began with a Scottish woman who sued when she was shocked and sickened after finding a decomposed snail at the bottom of her bottle of ginger beer.

"You must take reasonable care to avoid acts or omissions which you can reasonably foresee would be likely to injure your neighbour," Lord James Atkin said at the time.

"Who, then, in law, is my neighbour? The answer seems to be persons who are so closely and directly affected by my act that I ought reasonably to have them in contemplation as being affected when I am directing my mind to the acts or omissions which are called in question."

The B.C. Appeal Court judges found no reason to fault the widely cited logic of a judge who considered the "neighbour principle" in relation to snow clearing in 2000 in the case of a woman who fell on a sidewalk north of Toronto.

"It would stretch it too far if it was applied in the circumstances of this case. A homeowner has a duty to ensure that his or her own property is maintained in a reasonable condition so that persons entering the property are not injured," the judge in that case said.

"The snow and ice accumulating on public sidewalks and the potholes on the street in front of the house are the legal responsibility of the municipality, not the adjacent property owner."

Courts have found exceptions involving business owners who fail to clear a portion of the sidewalk that they effectively use as a corridor to usher customers into their stores.

In that situation, the business becomes an occupier of the public space.

In 2017, Ontario's Court of Appeal found Starbucks liable for a slice of pavement directly adjacent to a patio entrance.

But B.C.'s Appeal Court judges found "the relationship between a pedestrian and residential property owner is not sufficiently close and direct to make it just and fair to impose a duty of care."

They found that homeowners are not like managers of cafes or restaurants who actively court customers to walk the sidewalks leading into their businesses.

The case was not appealed — meaning the nation's top court, the Supreme Court of Canada, will not have the chance to weigh in.

[Teriyaki]

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

[Presto]

Originally Posted by Teriyaki

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

Sorry.. That was a hard fail. I think I fixed it.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by JSALES

So many freaking potholes on the streets now since the snow is gone

lol, after the first snowfall, this same huge pothole keeps reopening up every winter. The city was quick to patch it up, but then after the 2nd snowfall, the repair broke off and now the pothole is back.

[AzNightmare]

Damn... Now that the snow has melt, I realized all the areas in my driveway that I put salt on is damaged. The top surface chipped and crumbled off into tiny little pieces..

[Traum]

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

[Klobbersaurus]

Originally Posted by Traum

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

there is very little freeze-thaw cycles if you don't use salt, if its -1 outside, the ground is frozen and will stay frozen till it melts but if your melting it with salt, then its gonna freeze-thaw more often

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by Traum

I don't think you can blame the damage on the salt -- it's just the repeated freeze-thaw cycles, and how water has seeped in that caused the damage.

In addition to the cracks that have developed / worsened, I also have a few places on my driveway where the surface crumbled. Any idea what kind of ball park figure we're looking at to get a driveway repaved? It's roughly 2 cars wide and 1-1/2 car lengths long.

It's the salt because I "strategically" poured salt like a path in areas on my driveway and walk ways that I know I will be using to access my garbage cans and other areas. And that's literally where all the damage is and only in those locations.

Unless I misunderstood your post and you're talking about it scientifically like it's not technically the salt, but the freeze cycles, etc, etc.

I'm just saying, it's my own dumbassness that ruined my driveway by using the salt, and could have been 100% avoidable...

That being said, it's not my first time using salt. Ironically, the front walkway and sidewalks are fine. The driveway in the back and walkways at the side of my house must use a different kind of concrete.

[inv4zn]

Originally Posted by AzNightmare

It's the salt because I "strategically" poured salt like a path in areas on my driveway and walk ways that I know I will be using to access my garbage cans and other areas. And that's literally where all the damage is and only in those locations.

Unless I misunderstood your post and you're talking about it scientifically like it's not technically the salt, but the freeze cycles, etc, etc.

I'm just saying, it's my own dumbassness that ruined my driveway by using the salt, and could have been 100% avoidable...

That being said, it's not my first time using salt. Ironically, the front walkway and sidewalks are fine. The driveway in the back and walkways at the side of my house must use a different kind of concrete.

Here's a scientific answer (I work with concrete).

Freeze/thaw cycles attack concrete because the water seeps in, and expands when it freezes, pushing out the concrete. You avoid this by using "air" in the concrete so water has room to expand into the pre-existing voids. Generally freeze/thaw damage will have larger chunks and deeper cracks.

Cements that are used in concrete have different ratings, including resistance to deicing chemicals and freeze/thaw (although there are lots of other factors at play). The salt will attack the surface of the concrete, and will produce what you're describing (flaking, or spalling).

Once the damage is done there's not much you can do, there are repair mortars you can patch on top but unless you prep the surface well and put in the effort, it'll just come off again next season.

[nismodrifter]

Salt on sidewalk. Yes.

Salt on my driveway. Not even once.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by inv4zn

Here's a scientific answer (I work with concrete).

Freeze/thaw cycles attack concrete because the water seeps in, and expands when it freezes, pushing out the concrete. You avoid this by using "air" in the concrete so water has room to expand into the pre-existing voids. Generally freeze/thaw damage will have larger chunks and deeper cracks.

Cements that are used in concrete have different ratings, including resistance to deicing chemicals and freeze/thaw (although there are lots of other factors at play). The salt will attack the surface of the concrete, and will produce what you're describing (flaking, or spalling).

Once the damage is done there's not much you can do, there are repair mortars you can patch on top but unless you prep the surface well and put in the effort, it'll just come off again next season.

Yeah, I know why it happened... lol. I wasn't really asking for scientific reasoning. I was just confused why it was mentioned earlier that salt wasn't to be blamed.
My post was just simply about finding out the salt I used damaged my concrete after the snow melt, and I know it's the salt because only the areas that I put salt on were damaged.

I'll try to patch it up in the summer.

[Bouncing Bettys]

Originally Posted by nismodrifter

Salt on sidewalk. Yes.

Salt on my driveway. Not even once.

Salt is awful for driveways and vehicles. With a very steep aggregate concrete driveway, growing up in Kamloops, we never used salt. A strict routine was kept to ensure the best traction without eating the driveway with salt.

1. No driving/walking on it until everything was done. Even parking on the street until it was finished, in order to avoid compacting snow.
2. Shovel side to side rather than down, so any remaining snow is grooved perpendicular for better grip.
3. Sweep whatever is left after shoveling with a straw broom to get snow the shovel can't pick up, or any footprints.
4. Give a good sprinkling of kitty litter on the areas most likely to be driven or walked on.

If you stay on top of it, you never have ice or compact snow.

The snow piles at the bottom were great for making forts and tunneling, but my parents were right to tell me not to play in them, because cars could slide and crash into them. I did it anyways.

[quasi]

Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys

1. No driving/walking on it until everything was done. Even parking on the street until it was finished, in order to avoid compacting snow.
2. Shovel side to side rather than down, so any remaining snow is grooved perpendicular for better grip.
3. Sweep whatever is left after shoveling with a straw broom to get snow the shovel can't pick up, or any footprints.
4. Give a good sprinkling of kitty litter on the areas most likely to be driven or walked on.

Have a super hilly driveway and can confirm this is so important.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Teriyaki

^ Painful read. Not sure why the paragraphs and quotes in the article were repeated like three times in that.

So, what I gather from that is that you won't be liable if someone (random) slips and falls on the sidewalks. But, still open to interpretation if your actual next door neighbour slips and falls and sues.

Only to ppl that are expected to come to your home, so that means your driveway/path to your door has to be shovelled and even then your duty is only to those who you know will be coming to your home (friends family delivery men etc)

[danned]

Toronto boy goes viral after hilarious reaction to shovelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/HumansBeing..._news_tonight/

[Oshiguru]

Originally Posted by danned

Toronto boy goes viral after hilarious reaction to shovelling

https://www.reddit.com/r/HumansBeing..._news_tonight/

The best part is where they normally put their profession/info about them they just put exhausted



A follow up report made it show:


Then the plate under his mom during the interview:

[teggy604]

Originally Posted by Oshiguru

The best part is where they normally put their profession/info about them they just put exhausted



A follow up report made it show:


Then the plate under his mom during the interview:

Pretty much sums up Gen Alpha. lol